Consciousness, as understood by humans, is, probably, an "emergent complex
phenomena" as Pieter suggests. However, it is not an intrinsic one—i.e.,
emergent from within the entity or a part of it, like the brain. 'It' emerges
from a complex intimate interplay between the entity (brain?) and the
The context problem is fixable. For example, through neural implants or
robotics.
Another movie: https://youtu.be/3s0LTDhqe5A
From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 7:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deep
Maybe the key is as Pieter said to consider it as an emergent complex
phenomena. On the one hand a body able to move in a physical world. On the
other hand a mind which is able to think in the mental world of language.
Animals live only in the former, the physical world. LLMs (large language
mo
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Great! Baby steps. "If we aren't moving slowly, we aren't moving." So,
can I define some new terms, tentatively, *per explorandum* ? Let's call
acting-in-respect-to-the-world, "awareness". Allowing this definition, we
certainly seem to agree that the cat is aware. Lets define meta-awarenes
Well yes, if meta-awareness is defined as acting in response to one's own
awareness then I would say animals like a cat don't have it but humans have. As
an example I could say this almost feels like I am a participant in a dialogue
from Plato...I would be surprised if it can be described in sim
I feel like y'all have lost an important part of the conversation, stemming from your
invocation of multi-modal interaction. Whether we start with only 5 modes (see, smell,
taste, hear, feel) or a very high dimensional one (including all the various signals
across the various membranes (humidit
To me "meta" just means constructors in type space.
https://richarde.dev/papers/2012/singletons/paper.pdf
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From: Friam On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 4:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We T
I remember a while ago learning about the late Daniel Dennett's view that
consciousness is an illusion. I didn't fully understand it at the time, but
my admiration for him and his ideas kept it in my mind. When I asked
ChatGPT to summarize Dennett's view, here's what I got:
Daniel Dennett, a promi
Well, that's because Socrates claimed not to know what he thought, and
since I genuinely don[t know what I think until I work it out, the
conversation has the same quality. I apologize for that. my students
found it truly distressing.
So, if you will indulge me, why don't you think your cat has
