Re: [FRIAM] WAS Friday Fodder IS NOW: dangly bits

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/snark On 3/23/21 1:39 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > I in the theme of DaveW's observations about whole-part evolution tension, I > am reminded of Glen's recent snark: "there IS no i

Re: [FRIAM] Friam Norms of Thread Bending

On 3/23/21 2:23 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > Like all healthy communities, I'm glad to see continued "good natured > heckling" amongst the most vocal here. > > > On 3/23/21 2:06 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >> If your are correct that the comment "self-comstrained" then I was fool to >> pay a

Re: [FRIAM] WAS Friday Fodder IS NOW: dangly bits

> "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/snark Inconceivable! > > On 3/23/21 1:39 PM, Steve Smith wrote: >> I in the theme of DaveW's observations about whole-part evolution tension, I >> am reminded of Glen's rec

Re: [FRIAM] Friday Fodder

I know the scene whereof you speak. CGI. On Tue, Mar 23, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Eric Charles wrote: > Bit of a tangent, but... > >> Consider Arnold in the role of Terminator. He managed to convey a lot of >> menace and dominance simply from size and overall shape; never once >> brandishing his pe

Re: [FRIAM] Friam Norms of Thread Bending

The original post included two "bending invitations:" the troll about Kipling and the levity about Ahnold. It would be surprising if, in this group, they had not been accepted. There is no importance to be attached to that post - it was simply an attempt to expose and make concrete points of di

Re: [FRIAM] Friday Fodder

LoL! Can you imagine how insecure you'd have to be to insist the producers CGI larger genitalia for you? As Womanizer-in-Chief, I'd buy that he did. But hell, maybe the Governator would have been fine with anatomical correctness but the director insisted that modern masculinity demands porn star

Re: [FRIAM] Friday Fodder

Put a space laser into orbit, like, you know... -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ??? Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 10:29 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Friday Fodder LoL! Can you imagine how insecure you'd have to be to insist the producers CGI larger ge

Re: [FRIAM] Friday Fodder

I read, long ago and who knows where, that the issue came from the director, and probably more directly from the continuation editor — there were visual 'responses' from females in this scene and in the bar scene from the first one where they looked at his crotch and were "impressed" and "lustfu

[FRIAM] "because of capitalism, because of greed"

Contrast this: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/23/greed-and-capitalism-behind-jab-success-boris-johnson-tells-mps with this: https://newsletterhunt.com/emails/12216 > they can’t efficiently use that influence to push specific corporate actions > that would idiosyncratically impro

Re: [FRIAM] "because of capitalism, because of greed"

I guess on some accounts, some greeds are better than other greeds. Perhaps we should simply the discussion and talk about greedy-greeds and ungreedy greeds. And then we could redefine greed as the ratio of Ungreedy greeds to the sum of greedy greeds and ungreedy greeds. Nick Thompson thom

[FRIAM] Friday Fodder

Dave, I am going to lead my larding by resending what I sent before, because nobody seems to have read it. Wow, Dave! I will "lard" this by Friday! Watch this space. For the moment, let me say only the following. The hyena story, pushing 50 years by now, does have the feel of a well wo

[FRIAM] (no subject)

Dear EricS, It occurred to me that you, of all people, might have something to say about the question of how natural selection came about. I assume it was "scaffolded" by some physical process or constraint in a manner analogous to the "scaffolding" of life by white smokers at the bottom of th

Re: [FRIAM] Friday Fodder

""" I feel like I completely understand your problem, but cannot solve it. You point to, what is for me, the most bemusing problem in evolutionary theory, the evolution of natural selection. Given the developmental entanglement of traits, how do they become modules for the purpose of selection.

Re: [FRIAM] Friday Fodder

Jon, Say more! I don't yet see the connection. For me, Gibson hopelessly misunderstands his monist roots. Direct perception is either a tautology or nonsense. If one is dualist, and separates the world from our perception of it, then it is nonsense. If one is a monist, then all experienc

[FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism

>From time to time, I find myself reflecting on the wisdom of my old friend Hywel, and this time in particular, on the anti-representational nature of his epistemology. Hywel was well known for his aphorisms and most famously the declaration that: "Mathematics is fine, but it is better to know wha

Re: [FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism

Such are the joys of dualism! n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of jon zingale Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 5:24 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: [FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism >From t

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

Thank you EricS for this long and thoughtful answer. I hope The Gang will spend a lot of Friday, mining it out. What I, of course, appreciate the most is your acknowledging that The Problem is in fact A Problem. That you give me some sources to read if I am ever to understand it better, is gr

Re: [FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism

Slight clarification. Hywel said, "The number one does not exist." I think he was talking about measurement error and that no physical object is exactly one meter long. That's when I asked him how many mothers he had. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 S

Re: [FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism

Spin ½ objects are spin up or down, no? What is going on with the length of an object below the +/- 0.1 nm absolute precision of a meter? From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 6:03 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM]

Re: [FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism

Too bad you can't ask Hywel. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 8:45 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > Spin ½ objects are spin up or down, no? What is going on with the length > of an object below the +/- 0.1 nm absolute prec

Re: [FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism

Aw, heck! Let’s do a séance “Hywel, if you can hear us, make the screen blink three times.” Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wi

Re: [FRIAM] Tragedy of the Commons & Free Riders

I think we probably pretty much agree. "It's a convenient fiction, or perhaps an approximating simplification" --- Yes! But we need some of those, and "the individual" is one that appeals to me. I *do *see the potential contradiction you are poking at, but I'm not sure it is fatal. In the case of

Re: [FRIAM] Tragedy of the Commons & Free Riders

Glen wroth: . The combinatorics of trying to fix the "problem" with the public bench makes such a method infeasible. Nick replyeth: Not to mention inheritance and natural selection. Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com

Re: [FRIAM] Friday Fodder

The idea isn't all that clear to me. I am still trying to understand the various concepts and perspectives in play. What follows is a first-order attempt. I can sympathize with the need for Gibsonians to disambiguate experience. There is a need to state direct experience because the discussion is h

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

Nick, hi, I won’t be able to do anything like even a good-faith effort to reply to this thread. The time it would cost me to compose something I wouldn’t either disagree with or regret having written will cost me more shame and punishment for delinquency than I can budget at the moment. Your

Re: [FRIAM] Friday Fodder

JZ wrote or quoted An essential and vastly underappreciated aspect of the world is the flux of energy in the ‘empty space’ around us, the light and pressure waves crisscrossing, chemical gradients, magnetic fields, etc. Gibson labeled the structural elements of this ambient energy that can s

Re: [FRIAM] Friday Fodder

FWIW, I interpret such flux as fascial. My skin is not made of an infinity of points, it is a sheet that confers aggregate information. The prepared mind, the situated body, whatever. There is some limited subject, limited in its ability to know what there is to know, but embodied in the world none

Re: [FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism

Seance--next best thing. Here is an essay Hywel sent me. Good writer. https://docs.google.com/document/d/11SRDUoyoBUhY-Fqrz8EcygBVY_y8XQd3MkGklrIeQkw/edit?usp=drivesdk I tried to post this years ago but it was too large. The link should work. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,

Re: [FRIAM] Hywel's anti-representationalism

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