Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread thompnickson2
OK. So nobody likes the National Discrimination Observatory. And nobody likes my idea of randomizing the little labels that mothers and babies get in maternity wards over night and shipping the babies out at random the next morning. So how about this. Let it be the case that all people are c

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Eric Charles
Come on Nick... outside new disciplines emerging, those who will change a discipline over the next 20 years are typically well embedded within the discipline now. That's kind of how cumulative knowledge construction works. But... to emphasize it a bit more bluntly The primary purpose of college

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Frank Wimberly
That is interesting and sounds correct to me, Eric. However, people who major in engineering need a specific set of skills which, not held, will cause them to be incompetent in an engineering job. That said when I was a freshman in the College of Engineering and Science one of the deans told us t

[FRIAM] Quantum Woo Again

2020-07-30 Thread Frank Wimberly
Causation and quantum mechanics. A challenge to physicists and philosophers. I apologize if someone already referenced this. https://www.academia.edu/37610082/Causation_and_Quantum_Mechanics?email_work_card=title -- Frank Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 - .

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Angel Edward
Frank, Your dean at CMU was right. Any technology we might have learned then was not relevant five years later. In my only undergraduate electronics course, we learned to design vacuum tube circuits. Just when transistors were coming in. I’ve taught over 100 professional short courses around t

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Steve, Hierarchy is an efficient way of doing business/getting things done. It breaks down and becomes oppressive if the guys at the top always look alike and stay too long ("the patriarchy"). Leaders waiting to emerge in organizations are often suppressed by static hierarchical structures--not t

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread thompnickson2
Eric, A Marxist would say, I think, although I have barely ever known one, that every act of training is simultaneously an act of indoctrination and class reproduction. If the declaration of independence is correct, what an extraordinary coincidence it is that the children of wealthy well e

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread jon zingale
Speaking of Marxists, I am reminded of the situationist graffiti: 'Those who lack imagination cannot imagine what is lacking.' -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Nick, I'm a Piketty fan, and he takes on this subject in "Capital" in a variety of different ways. For instance, Harvard, Princeton and Yale are so well endowed by alumni that they get a 6.2% return and they become what Piketty calls "rentiers", people and institutions able to support themselves

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Frank Wimberly
My daughter was admitted to the University of Chicago and the University of Michigan and I never gave either university a gift. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 3:13 PM Merle Lefkoff wrote: > Nick, > > I'm a Pi

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Of course not, Frank, but evidently, many do. On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 2:46 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > My daughter was admitted to the University of Chicago and the University > of Michigan and I never gave either university a gift. > > Frank > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > S

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Frank, I never gave a gift to M.I.T. either, and my youngest son was not accepted. He went on to graduate from UCSD with a 4.0 average and sold the GIS company he co-founded to Kodak when he was 23 years old. I have always assumed he was turned down because he went to a public high school in the

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Frank Wimberly
Wow, your son did very well, Merle I hope your other son will return to righteous pursuit. After my daughter was admitted to Chicago I received a call from their admissions office. The caller said that they were surprised that they hadn't heard from her. I apologized for not having answered yet

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread Frank Wimberly
p.s. She and Irene Lee would have been in the same class at Chicago. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Jul 30, 2020, 4:42 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > Wow, your son did very well, Merle I hope your other son will return to > righteou

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread David Eric Smith
You know what is interesting in this, Merle and Nick, is that it begs for a structural analysis of the whole educational system. I wish I could remember where I saw it, but there was a write-up in some reputable place (higher-ed journal?) on schools with real scholarships that let in kids who

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread jon zingale
Frank says: "The Republic by Plato" Merle says: "Clearly the implicit bias is that all of these reading requirements were written by White men." One point that interests me here is the determination that Plato was white. Perhaps he should be considered white: he likely owned slaves, he was educate

Re: [FRIAM] "certain codes of conduct"

2020-07-30 Thread David Eric Smith
Here I think we have to ask Ta-Nehisi Coates, and simply accept whatever he says, making a good-faith effort to not pick nits in the sentences out of context, but to engage with the causal picture he argues at the system level. One part of the argument is: Whiteness is a myth (both figuratively