Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

2019-07-29 Thread David Eric Smith
Hi Nick, The part of the book that prompted me to forward it to the list was most of the first 3 (short) chapters. I think there are two parallel discourses going on, which are not about the same thing, and which probably are not incompatible, but which also may not be part of a cognitively un

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

2019-07-29 Thread Prof David West
Eric, Your commentary below re: Husserl made we wonder about ways to effectively use, as metaphor or thought experiment tool, the notion of "augmented reality." There is some interesting slipperyness: is the 'augment' the objective reality superimposed on the subjective Reality; is the 'augment

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

2019-07-29 Thread David Eric Smith
Hi Dave, > Your commentary below re: Husserl made we wonder about ways to effectively > use, as metaphor or thought experiment tool, the notion of "augmented > reality." There is some interesting slipperyness: is the 'augment' the > objective reality superimposed on the subjective Reality; is t

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

2019-07-29 Thread Nick Thompson
Dave, "All is illusion" is exactly the kind of partial draught that I am complaining about. It clings to the very hope it mocks. If skepticism is what you desire, then there is no warrant to speak of anything beyond experience, and experience is "of" nothing except other experiences. So the

Re: [FRIAM] Predictive coding basedon deep learning

2019-07-29 Thread Steven A Smith
On 7/28/19 10:31 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I think GPS increases geographical curiosity, not undermines it. I would say it apparently does *for you*, and in fact it supports my own *deep curiosity*.  I know (many) others who have lost any vestigal sense of wayfinding they might have had, includ

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

2019-07-29 Thread Steven A Smith
Eric - Great weigh-in as usual! > Since in every “now” there is a need to navigate some choice of what > to do, and since the experience of each now is constantly being > superseded by the following now, the need to be constantly > constructing an experiential edifice is the relentless driver of

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

2019-07-29 Thread Prof David West
Perforce, I am experiencing confusion. Sensations are impinging on the organism, the organism "organizes and interprets" them and, in some mysterious way presents a "coherent formulation" of them to a specialized aspect of the organism which, in turn, meta-interprets them as "an experience." A

Re: [FRIAM] Predictive coding basedon deep learning

2019-07-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
Steve writes: “Do we, as the painters of our own windows develop good skills and a strong aesthetic awareness, or do we buy the cheap Hobby Lobby colored-plexiglass stain-glass-by-by-number kit and copy patterns we find on Pinterest or YouTube?” It depends what the window is looking at. Does

Re: [FRIAM] Predictive coding basedon deep learning

2019-07-29 Thread Steven A Smith
Marcus - > > Steve writes: > >   > > “Do we, as the painters of our own windows develop good skills and a > strong aesthetic awareness, or do we buy the cheap Hobby Lobby > colored-plexiglass stain-glass-by-by-number kit and copy patterns we > find on Pinterest or YouTube?” > >   > > It depends wh

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

2019-07-29 Thread Frank Wimberly
I find this conversation depressing. Carry on. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Mon, Jul 29, 2019, 11:23 AM Prof Da

Re: [FRIAM] Predictive coding basedon deep learning

2019-07-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
Steve writes: < What I'm trying to expose is the meta-heuristic of being a facile model builder/adopter/fitter... and how our technological prosthetics (precut colored plexiglass and stain-by-number patterns or GPS/routing systems that present opaque-to-the-user preferences or predictive SDE pr

Re: [FRIAM] Predictive coding basedon deep learning

2019-07-29 Thread Gary Schiltz
Boy howdy (I've always wanted to say that) does that ring true here in Ecuador. There are just so many things that I took for granted back in the USA that I can't get here, be it technology, tools, food ingredients. If something I brought from there breaks, I make sure to tear it apart to see if it

Re: [FRIAM] Predictive coding basedon deep learning

2019-07-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
There is a sense in which even professionals can become helpless to the state-of-the-art in any field. For example, if Matlab or Mathematica don’t make it easy, then don’t even try. Or if a compiler produces slow code, change the source code of the program until it does produce optimal code

Re: [FRIAM] All hail confirmation bias!

2019-07-29 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Eric, As often, I am overwhelmed by what you write. Makes me wish I were younger. Still, I was able to muster a couple of “lardings” below: nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University

Re: [FRIAM] Predictive coding basedon deep learning

2019-07-29 Thread glen∈ℂ
It's in these crevices of the discussion that it becomes obvious that the "painted surface" analogy [†] fails completely. This is why Hoffman's "interface" theory is so attractive. The same core point is made, just with more explanatory power. It's analogous to how we play video games. Good exam