Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

2019-01-11 Thread Edward Angel
One consequence of the present situation that will have long term consequences is even though the amount of research funding in CS is high, universities are having trouble attracting high quality graduate students, the next generation of educators. Although this situation has little to do with t

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

2019-01-11 Thread ∄ uǝʃƃ
Cross-pollinating threads, as a >50 year old somewhat technical person, I and my clique have trouble getting and keeping these "tech jobs" because they are too focused on short-term objectives and tightly pigeon-holed skill sets. I can almost universally get many of these jobs (or at least land

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

2019-01-11 Thread Prof David West
Reacting to Glen's comments: of that million tech jobs, how many are really necessary. Speaking only within the context of software development, I am certain that 70-90 percent of existing jobs and unfilled jobs could be eliminated. We have known since the seventies that some individuals are 10

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread Prof David West
"Persuasive" is a term the reviewer used, Adams restricts his analysis to "communication." The two terms are worlds apart. I would claim that no one in politics is persuasive, and given the polarity that exists in political discourse, it is impossible for anyone to be persuasive. davew On Thu, Ja

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

2019-01-11 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: < I interviewed one of his mentors there and, although the model *seems* good, they're similarly plagued with the grant-writing burden Eric(S) and Pamela mention. The same seems similar at a company, here called Galois. > That's my impression of Galois as well, that they do a lot

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread Marcus Daniels
The kind of communication that Trump uses should just be illegal (Volksverhetzung). From: Friam on behalf of Prof David West Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Friday, January 11, 2019 at 7:56 AM To: "friam@redfish.com" Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduc

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread Nick Thompson
Geez, Dave. I might have put it the other way. People are persuasive as hell; they just aren’t communicating. But I haven’t been following the thread. Get back here! It’s Friday and we need you. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

2019-01-11 Thread Marcus Daniels
David writes: < Reacting to Glen's comments: of that million tech jobs, how many are really necessary. Speaking only within the context of software development, I am certain that 70-90 percent of existing jobs and unfilled jobs could be eliminated. > < We have known since the seventies that so

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread ∄ uǝʃƃ
Apologies for not snipping more of the below. I try to only include the relevant bits. But Steve is particularly good at tight weaves. I'll (inappropriately, I'm sure) name Dave's conception of individualism as "networked extensive individualism" (NEI). Networked to address what I infer from

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: < Geez, Dave. I might have put it the other way. People are persuasive as hell; they just aren’t communicating. > There’s nothing left to talk about. Progressive states and municipalities just need to insulate themselves as much as possible from the rest, and encourage moveme

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread Prof David West
Nick, The definition of persuade begins with "cause (someone) ..." which implies some degree or 'change' e.g. from a current mindset/belief to a modification of same. Within "groups" you might find persuasion, but across "groups" there is none;, "confirmation bias" and all that. davew On Fri, J

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

2019-01-11 Thread Jacqueline Kazil
I think larger companies have more of a structure for more experienced hands on technical folks — they are called Individual Contributors or ICs. Sometimes they are also called “Fellows” or “Distinguished Engineers”. Usually these roles are allotted freedom to contribution based on how they see val

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

2019-01-11 Thread Steven A Smith
Marcus - My own experience at LANL for 27 years (leaving 11 years ago yesterday) is roughly similar to your own.   Having been in the hardscrabble world of startup/product-development/consulting for the remaining time, there are things about being "institutionalized" that I miss, but much of w

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

2019-01-11 Thread Gillian Densmore
^^^ For what it's worth anecdotly some amount of a lot of jobs get posted for legal reasons. Acme Co has someone reffered to them, or they are just moving people around. Either way, they know who they want. Also their is some amount of chicken and egg: Applying to do Project Lead or C++ FrameWork o

Re: [FRIAM] Another few ponderances

2019-01-11 Thread Gillian Densmore
I thought about what you said some Steve. My experience so far. Is that sometime after I consously started to go for a more balanced diet (for example) a ton of other things started to get improve a little: not as moody (that I can tell) and simillar to yours so far just better focus. It's amazing

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

2019-01-11 Thread Marcus Daniels
Steve writes: < She is very suspicious of industry since it is almost exclusively big-Pharma and is (as a researcher directly, and by extension in her loyalty to the fundamental research she is involved in) the victim of *their* voracious nature. As a new parent and primary

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - As a compulsive intuitive modeler of "everything" as a network/field dual, all this resonates well.  I also like your characterization as "gooey colloid" and was reminded of JJ Thompson's Plum-Pudding model of atoms. I also like your action/consideration dual to rights/responsibilitie

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread Steven A Smith
David - Steven, Is is a pleasure to do discourse with you. The pleasure is mutual. Minor clarification: When I mention "sentient life" I do indeed include all life. In fact, given that I take as a working assumption the Vedic (and then Buddhist) notion that the entire universe, all the way

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Heh. When I was tasked with explaining agent-based modeling to some art students in Sweden, I made heavy use of the gooey colloid metaphor. There were a lot of blank stares in the audience. 8^) But the guy who hired me was happy with the presentation. So, who knows? I think I agree with Marc

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread Frank Wimberly
Anyway, if my speculation is close, then Trump doesn't intend or WANT to communicate or persuade, only to perform. This is consistent with his saying *everything* three times. He turns a 15 minute performance into a 45 minute one. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: htt

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread Marcus Daniels
Something along these lines, with the help of higher density of Trump voters in states favored with electoral density. And Trump himself is somewhere towards the right side of the red distribution. Thus he a good communicator because the messages that need to be conveyed to this audience have

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I think that conflates the communicat-or with the communication medium. My question to Dave about the need for "individual" in his version of individualism was intended to sideload this point. To what extent is a person simply a *vehicle* for innovations to bubble up through? We spend all thi

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

2019-01-11 Thread Steven A Smith
Marcus - In fact, I don't even want my tax revenue to go to parts of the country that I see as having regressive tendencies.The greater good isn't for the greater good. For me, I am fine to mainly supporting the people around me who do good work. I don’t see that as tribal, just the fa

Re: [FRIAM] !RE: A million tech jobs unfilled

2019-01-11 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: To what extent is a person simply a *vehicle* for innovations to bubble up through? Steve writes: < It is interesting to see similar if not identical awareness coming from the likes of you. I'm not sure what an Ark implies for you. > The Ark I imagine is a minimal platform to ensur

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - Anyway, if my speculation is close, then Trump doesn't intend or WANT to communicate or persuade, only to perform. I do believe that this describes his intentions (as best I can tell from outside and far away).   I think he believes that he *is* persuasive just by his presence/nature an

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread Nick Thompson
Jon, I wrote this immediately but forgot to send it. I have to say, the idea of a squandered metaphor really grabbed me. I may have squandered some metaphors, in my own time. A metaphor is definitely something that can be used prematurely or other than for its highest and best use.

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread lrudolph
>We spend all this faith-based energy believing that individuals > have thoughts and intentions, when perhaps we're merely *tools*. Cf. Fort's maxim, "A social growth cannot find out the use of steam engines, until comes steam-engine-time." ===

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread lrudolph
Nick writes, in relevant part: > I am not sure what monads and monism have to do with each other, other > than that they share a linguistic root. Honest. I have trouble seeing > the connection. ... > I don't have much of a grip on MonADism. As I understand monads, they > are irreduceable "atoms

Re: [FRIAM] Motives - Was Abduction

2019-01-11 Thread Nick Thompson
Thanks, Lee, for "conceit". If it means what it says it means to anybody but you, I may have to reconsider my decade long use of term, metaphor. Do I find myself in a rats' nest of category theorists? I had always thought that category was a rather outré field, that mathematicians were a li