Re: [FRIAM] models, reality, etc.

2019-01-15 Thread Eric Charles
Dave asked how valid it was to claim "every experiencer's behavior will be grounded on the interpretations, not the 'raw data'." I think the answer has to be: Centuries of effort to try to nail that down how we "interpret" "raw data" can only be resolved by recognizing that whatever we mean by "ra

Re: [FRIAM] models, reality, etc.

2019-01-14 Thread Barry MacKichan
I don’t have any time to pursue it, but I bet there would be something interesting if you look at the various groups corresponding to the symmetries, and their relations (direct product??). Is something like that involved in the “elsewhere” where this popped up? --Barry On 12 Jan 2019, at 13

Re: [FRIAM] models, reality, etc.

2019-01-12 Thread Jochen Fromm
Date: 1/12/19 20:42 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] models, reality, etc. Entanglement is probabilistic:  Look for a dot at some location, if you see one, then there's a probability of seeing another dot at another location, a

Re: [FRIAM] models, reality, etc.

2019-01-12 Thread Eric Smith
A person who works in data compression, randomness, or statistical mechanics might try to frame a description that is as operational and contains as much structural resolution in it as possible, by drawing language from the sectors of behavior and observation that are as robustly disambiguatable

Re: [FRIAM] models, reality, etc.

2019-01-12 Thread Prof David West
Given an "experiencer": - what is directly "experienced" is apparently randomly moving dots. - what is "interpreted" from that experience (a kind of meta-experience) are 'triangles', 'squares', 'stars', and 'prisms'. - every experiencer's behavior will be grounded on the interpretations, not

Re: [FRIAM] models, reality, etc.

2019-01-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
Entanglement is probabilistic: Look for a dot at some location, if you see one, then there's a probability of seeing another dot at another location, and a different probability if you don't. On 1/12/19, 11:53 AM, "Friam on behalf of Prof David West" wrote: This popped up elsewhere an

Re: [FRIAM] models, reality, etc.

2019-01-12 Thread Nick Thompson
Wow. It's all those things at once! REALLY?! What a great example! Let me try and put it into words. The nominalist would like to say “There is no real pattern there, it just depends on how you want to look at it.” The realist would like to say, “Nonsense. The patterns appea