Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-04 Thread Steve Smith
Well stated if (and!) densely packed. Your conception of F vs SF and invocation of Deutsch's "hard to vary" are the sorts of ideas I was trying to get to with the idea of emergent coherence vs literal consistency. I like the idea of broad coverage without giving up coherence... "if everythin

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-04 Thread glen
Exactly. While I maintain hope that EricS will not think my question about CliFi and the possibility of progressive life without freezing out prior forms is simply the affections of a hopelessly ignorant, albeit hopefully lovable dog, I can't help but reject the idea that it's anthropocentric. A

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-04 Thread Steve Smith
I like the refinement you are gesturing at here, if I'm following.  I think that is what Zelazny did with his Amber stuff and the ideation of this whole (infinite?) milieu of  parallel worlds being held in the tension of Logos and Chaos. I haven't read any of this work in decades so I expect m

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-04 Thread glen
We had an argument about absurdist humor at the salon the other night. I argued that it was akin to the (false) distinction I learned about fiction awhile back, that there are 2 kinds: 1) ordinary people in weird context or 2) ordinary context with weird people. My stance was that absurdist hum

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-03 Thread Steve Smith
On 2/3/22 12:31 PM, glen wrote: Well, I'm not sure what Martin is on to next. But his participation in the upcoming Elden Ring lore seemed to exhibit he had some ambitions left. Since he names Zelazny as inspiration, maybe there's a sliver of possibility there. If we could only get Peter Jacks

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-03 Thread glen
Well, I'm not sure what Martin is on to next. But his participation in the upcoming Elden Ring lore seemed to exhibit he had some ambitions left. Since he names Zelazny as inspiration, maybe there's a sliver of possibility there. If we could only get Peter Jackson, that'd push it through. 8^D

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-03 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - Regarding the Amber series and Zelazny.   They were very influential on me... really the first/only "Fantasy" I ever cared much for.  If Zelazny's writing could be credited properly it would be to call it *Hard* Fantasy which seems somewhat a contradiction in terms.    When I moved to

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-02 Thread Frank Wimberly
Thanks, Glen. That makes sense. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Feb 2, 2022, 3:56 PM glen wrote: > r.e. is "recursively enumerable", IIRC. > > On 2/2/22 13:34, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > I wonder what an e. r. relation is. Equiva

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-02 Thread glen
No word yet!?!? My cynicism says it won't happen. The World Needs a ‘Chronicles of Amber’ TV Show https://www.wired.com/2021/05/geeks-guide-roger-zelazny/ Just for kicks, here's some of the art in my 1981 copy of Madwand: https://slate.host/gepr/misc?cid=bafybeicwqgmnevz7eozntvhigdskcgezmprd55e

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-02 Thread Steve Smith
On 2/2/22 1:36 PM, glen wrote: No relation at all! I chose that theorem arbitrarily just to distinguish when I post from my newly configured TBird client versus other clients. Never ascribe intelligence where stochasticity will suffice. I could have equally chosen something from Zelazny or Fe

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
Mine just stopped delivering my mail. > On Feb 2, 2022, at 3:11 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: > > Our postman says that about our dog. > > We are trying hard to get her to stop launching herself into people, some of > whom don’t like it. The postman says ‘What, she doesn’t like me any more?

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-02 Thread glen
r.e. is "recursively enumerable", IIRC. On 2/2/22 13:34, Frank Wimberly wrote: I wonder what an e. r. relation is.  Equivalence relations are reflexive by definition. -- glen Theorem 3. If f(x) is a continuous function of period 2π, then f(x,r)→f(x) as r→1, uniformly ∀x. .-- .- -. - / .- -

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-02 Thread glen
LoL! It's a sign of respect. When/if I stop giving you sh¡t, you'll know I stopped respecting you. >8^D On 2/2/22 13:13, Prof David West wrote: Hey ... if Feyerabend is among your faves, why do you give me so much s..t when I challenge science? Is it personal? Bet it is. davew On Wed, Feb 2

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-02 Thread Frank Wimberly
I wonder what an e. r. relation is. Equivalence relations are reflexive by definition. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Feb 2, 2022, 1:37 PM glen wrote: > No relation at all! I chose that theorem arbitrarily just to distinguish >

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-02 Thread glen
37 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story) No relation at all! I chose that theorem arbitrarily just to distinguish when I post from my newly configured TBird client versus other clients. Never ascribe intelligence where stochasticity will su

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-02 Thread Prof David West
Hey ... if Feyerabend is among your faves, why do you give me so much s..t when I challenge science? Is it personal? Bet it is. davew On Wed, Feb 2, 2022, at 12:36 PM, glen wrote: > No relation at all! I chose that theorem arbitrarily just to > distinguish when I post from my newly configured

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
ouble Master Function (was Re: bad covid story) No relation at all! I chose that theorem arbitrarily just to distinguish when I post from my newly configured TBird client versus other clients. Never ascribe intelligence where stochasticity will suffice. I could have equally chosen something from Ze

Re: [FRIAM] Double Master Function (was Re: bad covid story)

2022-02-02 Thread glen
No relation at all! I chose that theorem arbitrarily just to distinguish when I post from my newly configured TBird client versus other clients. Never ascribe intelligence where stochasticity will suffice. I could have equally chosen something from Zelazny or Feyerabend, two other members of th