Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

2019-05-22 Thread Marcus Daniels
I wasn't try to relate it to your first question. The evidence that degenerate states exist is that SQUID-based quantum computers can and do generate them. On 5/22/19, 5:02 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" wrote: OK. Well, I thought I could've digested the two papers by this time. But

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

2019-05-22 Thread glen∈ℂ
Bah! My dad was a pilot. So we flew on "passes" from the time I was born. I've been flying (as mostly a passenger) in 2 seater T-38s, 4 seater excursion flights over glaciers, etc. for my entire life. We even veered off and jumped a couple of runways at SAF with ... a pilot who will remain unna

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

2019-05-22 Thread Nick Thompson
ssage- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 5:02 PM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie OK. Well, I thought I could've digested the two papers by this time. But I've

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

2019-05-22 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
OK. Well, I thought I could've digested the two papers by this time. But I've failed and will probably give up for now. It's still entirely unclear to me how the 3 level system's dark states facilitate the finer-than-diffraction-limited resolution. So, I can't place the OR gate example into the

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

2019-05-18 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: "What evidence is there of degenerate ground states?" The Hamiltonians for a logical operator like an OR gate need ground-state degeneracies for non-trivial applications. Configuration Input0 Input1 -> Output A 0 0 -> 0 B 0 1 -> 1 C 1 0 -> 1 D 1 1 -> 1 P(A) = P(B) = P(C) = P(D) =

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

2019-05-17 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: < To what extent is "energy" a reductive projection of what's actually (ontologically) extant? > In the case of the physics of a crystal or a restricted Boltzmann machine (a neural net), it could be a sufficient description... < Given all that, and what you say ("... not the deta

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

2019-05-17 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
This is interesting. To what extent is "energy" a reductive projection of what's actually (ontologically) extant? What details are being reduced out? If it helps, maybe it would be useful to avoid the concept of energy and rely instead on "probability" or superposition. In the wake of Eric's po

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

2019-05-17 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: < An additional basic question would be whether or not there are "lateral states of different kind" (that's my own nonsense phrase). I.e. maybe an atom can be in an energy state X that is (reductively) the same energy level as another state Y, but with or without the ability to m

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

2019-05-17 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Right. That's why I qualified it with "if not a strict hierarchy". A basic question that demonstrates my ignorance of physics is: Can an atom jump, say, 2 energy levels with 1 photon of 2x the energy, where it would otherwise jump 2 levels with 2 photons of 1x the energy? I.e. what I (probably m

Re: [FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

2019-05-17 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: "mumbling about how energy quantification does imply a ground state" I didn't trace through all this, but what about degenerate states (with large Hamming distances)? Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets

[FRIAM] "I have no idea what's going on." -- Towelie

2019-05-17 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Step 1) Get confused by: https://phys.org/news/2019-05-atomic-function.html Step 2) Find the actual article: https://journals.aps.org/prx/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevX.9.021002 Step 3) Get irritated by the phrase "three-level system". Step 4) Find ref 14: http://oaktrust.library.tamu.edu/bitstream/handle/