Re: [FRIAM] free will

2025-02-26 Thread Marcus Daniels
This just seems to speak to foolishness of modeling overly complex things, not whether complex things can choose their physical basis and could do otherwise. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2025 12:43 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [

Re: [FRIAM] free will

2025-02-26 Thread Marcus Daniels
Let's say that understanding neural enzyme catalysis is vexing because the molecular modeling is too expensive. Does the scientist hide behind computational complexity or devise experiments to tighten the hyperdimensional ball radius? It seems to me the burden needs to be on the person making

Re: [FRIAM] free will

2025-02-26 Thread glen
Right. But no matter how falsified the model, making all models perfect won't be possible (unless the modeling component is The One perfect inferencer in the universe, ala Wolpert). So there will always be a truncation error on all (or the overwhelming majority of) models. And how the modeling

Re: [FRIAM] free will

2025-02-26 Thread Marcus Daniels
The philosophy of free will depends on having a hard minimum threshold radius on that high dimensional ball. Empirical evidence can then drive past that threshold to falsify models that assume such a threshold. For illustration, one might ablate the Anterior Cingulate Cortex of an objectionable

Re: [FRIAM] free will

2025-02-26 Thread glen
There is a type of rule related to error (as opposed to randomness) or precision. One part may approximate another part if there's some rule about how accurate is accurate enough. As long as the wiggle (random or not) is within some high dimensional ball, the model's good enough. Slight variati

Re: [FRIAM] free will

2025-02-26 Thread Marcus Daniels
I don't think that multi-mode input is important to the discussion. I was just trying to get that out of the way as a valid topic of discussion. Literally just a different way to use symbols. One of the objections to superdeterminism is the impossibility of science, supposedly due to a lack of

Re: [FRIAM] free will

2025-02-26 Thread glen
Excellent. Thanks for the clarification. I can't help but wonder where the scaffolding platforms are in the composition from, say, a protozoan up to a human. It would be counterintuitive if it were a smooth scale. I.e. a paramecium has just a tiny bit of choice, a nematode has a bit more, etc.

Re: [FRIAM] free will

2025-02-26 Thread Santafe
This was in a way the point I was arguing a while back, and the reason I repeated it now. Marcus asked (two days ago) in rhetorical mode whether, if the MLs didn’t only exchange characters of text, but also had cameras and some other modes of input, what wouldn’t we grant them? (It was more th