Doubling down on the incredulity fallacy? OK. Yes. There is something it is
like to be trampled dirt. I don't know what you mean by "mental stuff", of
course. I don't do any mental stuff as far as I know. Everything I do is
inherently "body stuff". Maybe that's because I've experienced chronic p
Would you though?!? You certainly wouldn't stop stepping on it.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 9:16 PM Frank Wimberly wrote:
> "...how do you think your ways of acting in the world would change if you
> adopted such a position?"
>
> I would stop shooting piles of dirt with a .30-06. I haven't done
"...how do you think your ways of acting in the world would change if you
adopted such a position?"
I would stop shooting piles of dirt with a .30-06. I haven't done that for
60+ years but it's intended as a* reductio ad absurdum* argument.
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"an account of the seemingly analogous position of panpsychism"
What is that more than something people say?
Do *you* experience the dirt at your feet as having a mental life? If so,
tell me about it: What is the dirt like when it seems to be doing mental
stuff? What kind of mental stuff is it do
A bit late to the party but here are my two cents about Dave's fundamental 6
questions:1) Is an *Experience* a whole or a composite? Rather a composite
because a perception needs a perceiver which has always a subjective viewpoint.
This includes a rating if the perceived object or action is good
Well, I maintain significant skepticism about any coherent utility functions
underlying the machines that do the discretization. The concept of utility
seems to *need* a somewhat unified/singular, and perhaps exogenous, agency,
which makes it circular reasoning in this context. (Note that I def
On 2/16/23 11:26 AM, glen wrote:
I don't grok the context well enough to equivocate on concepts like
"have" and "category of being". But in response to Nick's question:
"What is there that animals do that demands us to invent categories to
explain their behavior?", my answer is "animals discre
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 10:23 AM Steve Smith wrote:
> Might I offer some terminology reframing, or at least ask for some
> additional explication?
>
>1. I think "behaviours" would be all Nick's
I don't grok the context well enough to equivocate on concepts like "have" and "category of being".
But in response to Nick's question: "What is there that animals do that demands us to invent categories to explain
their behavior?", my answer is "animals discretize the ambient muck". So if categ
It reminds me of this book:The Zoologist's Guide to the
Galaxyhttps://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646643/the-zoologists-guide-to-the-galaxy-by-arik-kershenbaum/-J.
Original message From: Nicholas Thompson
Date: 2/16/23 10:22 AM (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday
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Might I offer some terminology reframing, or at least ask for some
additional explication?
1. I think "behaviours" would be all Nick's Martians *could* observe?
They would be inferring "experiences" from observed behaviours?
2. When we talk about "categories" here, are we talking about
"c
Oh yeah nick:
What do pirates be doing for fun?
Paaartying. har har har har.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 9:55 AM Nicholas Thompson
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It’s the tiniest and most idiosyncratic take on this question, but FWIW, here:
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1520752113
I actually think that all of what Nick says below is a perfectly good draft of
a POV.
As to whether animals “have” categories: Spend time with a dog. Doesn’t take
ver
DISCUSS: If we were Martians sent to earth to study animal life EXCLUSIVE
OF human life, would we ever have come up with the idea of categories?
What is there that animals do that demands us to invent categories to
explain their behavior? Could we build a theory of animal life based
solely on asso
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