Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

a lot of surgical tools. They were doing cataract surgery, for example, long before it was thought of in the West. I'll go back through my notes for other examples. davew On Sat, Sep 25, 2021, at 3:19 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Great, Dave, > > What did you see there that had that

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

It is fine to say that humans will organize their cultures around the wishes of humans. They also have to organize cultures around the hard constraints of reality, like the climate. What I have zero patience for are people that are reserving for the possibility that their thinking and their f

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

You read much faster than I. I spoke only to the intro, a narrative which described the history of the event and its implications for the participants and others. No big deal. Take what can you used and leave the rest on the table. By the way, those scientific modernizing Turks: weren’t the

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

Read like pages 83-86. That that tools of astronomy may be inadequate to characterize the cosmos. (Or maybe that we can never really model it?) And that from that we can conclude that models of the local physics of our biological machinery may also be inadequate? Non sequitur. There’s a Qur

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

Great, Dave, What did you see there that had that effect? n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Saturday, September

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

Kalam seems similar to the tutorial methods of St John's College. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 3:13 PM Jochen Fromm wrote: > There was a time in the 8th century in the Islamic Golden Age when Baghdad > was the cen

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

There was a time in the 8th century in the Islamic Golden Age when Baghdad was the center of the scientific world during the Abbasid Caliphate. For science to prosper there must be a culture which values knowledge and freedom.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid_CaliphateKnowledge is based on

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

It is not scientifically neutral in that the selection of topics are not prioritized by scientific considerations. So there is bias about what is considered worthy of study. This is very clear if you work at a weapons lab. On the other hand it was Einstein that wrote Roosevelt to inform him

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

The biggest problem with western science since the enlightenment, is the myth that pure science is morally neutral — that the science, e.g., making an atomic bomb, is totally and absolutely separate from the dropping of said bomb on Hiroshima. The best morning of my trip to Istanbul was the one

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

And you found some in that document? Really? On Sep 25, 2021, at 1:23 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:  Naw! It is about what we do about the presumptions to which we are blind that blind us. n n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clar

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

Naw! It is about what we do about the presumptions to which we are blind that blind us. n n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcu

Re: [FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

This just takes us back to is vs. ought. If one is preoccupied with how the universe ought to be, then one is less inclined to observe and measure how it is and consider what the evidence means. They split off to notions like Mind and God and other claptrap. It is a disability to their compr

[FRIAM] Islam-Science-Muslims-and-Technology-Seyyed-Hossein-Nasr-in-Conversation-with-Muzaffar-Iqbal-2009.pdf

Dear Colleagues, Because of an interest some of you expressed in Islamic science, I ran down the text linked below. It is an entire book, and I have read only the first chapter, but I found that fascinating. It is a sort of airing of linen concerning the role of science in the modern Islamic w

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

I maybe understand Glen's use of several terms more better now.   I heard "value alignment" to refer to the general alignment between basis spaces of roughly self-aligned groups and other similar (but different) groups.   I think I hear now that Glen was giving the PB crowd credit for having a coh

Re: [FRIAM] unplanned [sen|obsol]escence

Compare with these definitions: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/psychological-dimensions-left-wing-authoritarianism/620185/ "The authoritarian mentality, whether on the far left or far right, the authors conclude, exerts "powerful pressures to maintain discipline among members,

Re: [FRIAM] ivermectin

Fascism looms large over South Africa too. We just had a narrow escape. Our previous president, Jacob Zuma, had us on the way to total disaster. I have very high hopes that the tide has turned and that our current president, Cyril Ramaphosa is leading us to the moral high ground we had under Nelson