Re: [FRIAM] Android question.

2018-12-31 Thread Steven A Smith
Sounds a bit like Doug Robert's "ghost of Nexus Past" showing himself... I was having issues last summer with Android. Marcos sugested I flash reset to factory.  I put LineageOS on it (Cynagen Mod). It did a update yesterday? Maybe thursday. It's doing a weird thing where if I have music dow

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, all, Channeling Peirce is hard work, and tho Eric C. does it extremely well, I think there is one slip of the pen below. Please see larding: Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread Marcus Daniels
"The question I'm now worried about is the facility/frequency with which cyclic graphs can be "simulated" by DAGs (which is why I implied that everywhere we think there might be a convergence to something "real" would require a monotonic parameter)" Uh, why? For example, compilation of a recu

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I think I'm posting too frequently. But I'm compelled to make one comment: On 12/31/18 2:28 PM, Eric Charles wrote: > And by just such a series of discoveries (Peirce believes), the scientific > method progresses us towards beliefs that are ever-more stable, and... > least some of the time... tow

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread Eric Charles
Glen said " In all my posts, I've tried to push for "True as far as it goes" ... or "true for now, maybe not true later", "true over here but not over there", etc. " This leads me to believe that we have lost track of Peirce being a well established scientist, making contributions to several field

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Thanks for that paper. It forced me to remember (and look up) the discussion in Pearl's book ("Causality" 2000) about the Markov assumption and latent structure reduction. Part of my reaction to John's statement about trying to find a time series that cannot be generated by a sequential machin

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Everybody, I am having WAY too much fun, here, and should pull back. Before I do, just a word of caution. I always forget that Peirce's definition is an asserting of the meaning of Truth and Real, not an assertion of their existence. These definitions flow from the pragmatic maxim, w

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread Nick Thompson
Dear Erics, C. and S., I got lost for a moment, here, but now am caught up. I hope. Eric Charles is correct. Eric Smith’s first sentence is about as unvarnished statement of pragmatism as one can imagine. The role of “reality” in those constructions is often an uninterpreted

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
We're getting closer EVERY DAY! https://psi-2020.org/ Oh, and if anyone needs a charity to toss some 2018 money at: https://maps.org/ On 12/31/18 12:18 PM, Prof David West wrote: > > > "Maybe the answer is to take a fistful of magic mushrooms and listen to some > Bach? " > > Always the

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread Frank Wimberly
Try this link. Now I remember that Thomas Richardson first described the algorithm and Danks and I implemented it. http://scholar.google.com/scholar_url?url=https://arxiv.org/pdf/1302.3599&hl=en&sa=X&scisig=AAGBfm23iOsgxDPx5eHVIU1aXYbP1yc_ZA&nossl=1&oi=scholarr --

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
The link doesn't work for me. But I suspect: Yes! In all my posts, I've tried to push for "True as far as it goes" ... or "true for now, maybe not true later", "true over here but not over there", etc. Time is an important, but not the only factor. Feedback often assumes time. But all it re

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread Eric Charles
"And the answer embodied-situated cognition " Well... I think that if THAT work is to be coherent, it needs to be grounded in pragmatism so I think that's a great answer. Trying to lay embodied cognition on any other foundation is going to result in collapse. Alas, only a few people have

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread Prof David West
"Maybe the answer is to take a fistful of magic mushrooms and listen to some Bach? " Always the answer! LSD in a sensory deprivation tank, ala Timothy Hurt in the movie Altered States, was, for me, even better. davew On Mon, Dec 31, 2018, at 12:59 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > Ha! Dude. I feel lik

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread Frank Wimberly
At CMU I implemented an algorithm called CCD (cyclic causal discovery) which could infer feedback in causal graphs from observational data. Is that relevant? Spirtes, P., Glymour, C., and Scheines, R. Kauffman, S.,Aimale, V., & Wimberly, F. (2001). Constructing Bayesian Network Models of Gene Exp

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Ha! Dude. I feel like I've said it over and over again. Nothing is real. To do what you've (or Peirce's) done and simply redefine the word "real" is iffy, at best. Why not simply *admit* that nothing is real and move on? The answer to your question is that there's something that lies, with

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread Nick Thompson
Glen, Oh Joy. Oh Rapture! SOMEBODY understands me. A new day is dawning. A new year has begun! In the end, a methodologically-Peircian perspective is the best you can hope for, right? I.e. *acting* like a Peircian is fantastic. But it's not clear whether we can extrapolate such a

Re: [FRIAM] Preference Order Ecosystems: was Trumpism

2018-12-31 Thread Marcus Daniels
Great article. Here are a couple more. These seem to me like the bleeding-heart variety of liberal taking their eye off the ball. No, I say win the culture war. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/30/opinion/tech-rural-america.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/there-is-much-to-fear

Re: [FRIAM] Preference Order Ecosystems: was Trumpism

2018-12-31 Thread Roger Critchlow
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/01/07/the-philosopher-redefining-equality was a good read this morning, -- rec -- On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:36 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > The political doctrine of liberalism aims to increase the freedom of the > individual. The institutions and rules t

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
On 12/28/18 4:43 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Ok. What to do? Well, we could admit that we are screwed and define truth > as that which is beyond all experience. But this is nonsense, right? If > truth is beyond all experience, how do we come to be talking about it. If > Truth is that which

[FRIAM] Some of you that do curch stuff might find this cool

2018-12-31 Thread Gillian Densmore
https://themindunleashed.com/2015/11/frankincense-has-been-proven-to-be-a-psychoactive-antidepressant.html?fbclid=IwAR2yFUc3R-NGk_gQ_sMBUTN2WG11qVNlTZa1UQ9GPGNA9SnJNMitQVfVKfs Might be partially because the hopefully uplifting setting of meating friends and asociating that very festive scents is p

Re: [FRIAM] Pondering weird english words

2018-12-31 Thread Gillian Densmore
Nice! I didn't know the simple sound re- came from so many roots! Might explain why Rapier seemingly gets pronounced ree pre ayur (for example) it's a classic weapon in movies. supposedly for a time privatteyerrs{spelling- the 15th century marineers tasked with steeling enemy supplies (latter call

Re: [FRIAM] Pondering weird english words

2018-12-31 Thread Barry MacKichan
Much more than you asked for… “lax” is “loose’, as in morals and bowels. “Re-“ is more complicated. From the Oxford English dictionary: “re-, prefix of Latin origin, with the general sense of ‘back’ or ‘again’, occurring in a large number of words directly or indirectly adopted from Latin, o

Re: [FRIAM] Abduction

2018-12-31 Thread Eric Smith
Hi Eric: > On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:33 PM, Eric Charles > wrote: > > "The role of “reality” in those constructions is often an uninterpreted > shorthand for the fact that I am willing to act without too much doubt in > certain ways, using my attention and worry on other things than > second-gue