[Freesurfer] Multiple comparison correction

2023-01-23 Thread David
External Email - Use Caution Hi Freesurfer experts, I'm very sorry to bother you, but I am very confused with the following questions: My experimental design includes two discrete factors: with three levels (d,m,h); gender (f, m), and two Nvariables So I can

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison correction

2022-04-21 Thread Douglas N. Greve
Do you mean the difference between the d,m,h classes? If so, it would be 1 1 -1 -1 0 0 (rest all 0s) 1 1  0  0 -1 -1 ... 0 0 1 1 -1 -1 ... On 4/14/2022 9:50 AM, David wrote: External Email - Use Caution Hi Freesurfer experts,     I'm very sorry to bother you, but I am very confused

[Freesurfer] Multiple comparison correction

2022-04-14 Thread David
External Email - Use Caution Hi Freesurfer experts, I'm very sorry to bother you, but I am very confused with the following questions: My experimental design includes two discrete factors: with three levels (d,m,h); gender (f, m), and two Nvariables So I can

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison using Monte Carlo

2019-12-05 Thread Ting Li
External Email - Use Caution Dear Dr. Douglas, Thank you so much! Best regards, Ting On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 11:45 AM Greve, Douglas N.,Ph.D. < dgr...@mgh.harvard.edu> wrote: > I've attached a couple of papers > > On 12/3/19 9:24 PM, Ting Li wrote: > > > > External Email

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison using Monte Carlo

2019-12-03 Thread Ting Li
External Email - Use Caution Dear Dr. Douglas, Thank you so much. I have difficulty to understand z map is essentially an infinite # of subjects. Before smooth, there is no GLM analysis. Does the smooth include in the GLM process? Best regards, Ting On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 2:14

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison using Monte Carlo

2019-12-03 Thread Greve, Douglas N.,Ph.D.
On 12/3/2019 1:36 PM, Ting Li wrote: External Email - Use Caution Dear Dr. Douglas, Thank you so much for all the answers. I have two more questions. 1, When the Monte Carlo simulation is doing, how does one simulation is done? * synthesize z map (synthesize z map for how many s

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison using Monte Carlo

2019-12-03 Thread Ting Li
External Email - Use Caution Dear Dr. Douglas, Thank you so much for all the answers. I have two more questions. 1, When the Monte Carlo simulation is doing, how does one simulation is done? - synthesize z map (synthesize z map for how many subjects?) - smooth z map (You

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison using Monte Carlo

2019-12-02 Thread Ting Li
External Email - Use Caution Dear Dr. Douglas, Thank you so much for your explanation. You really helped me a lot! Best regards, Ting On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 1:59 PM Greve, Douglas N.,Ph.D. < dgr...@mgh.harvard.edu> wrote: > Correct. This is no different than, eg, a t-test. Look

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison using Monte Carlo

2019-12-02 Thread Greve, Douglas N.,Ph.D.
Correct. This is no different than, eg, a t-test. Look in the back of a stats book from the 1950s and you will find a table of t-ratios and corresponding p-values. Obviously, they did not have access to any of the data being analyzed today:), but the tables are still valid. On 12/2/2019 2:03 P

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison using Monte Carlo

2019-12-02 Thread Ting Li
External Email - Use Caution Dear Dr. Douglas, Thank you so much for your detailed response. The simulation here is to get the probability of a maximum cluster that size or larger in the cached CSD files. It checks the probability of the cluster size but have nothing to do with

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison using Monte Carlo

2019-12-02 Thread Greve, Douglas N.,Ph.D.
On 12/2/2019 11:58 AM, Ting Li wrote: External Email - Use Caution Dear Dr. Douglas, Thank you so much for your quick response! You saved my half life. From the introduction of clusterwise correction for multiple comparisons, I have a few questions. 1, What is the null hypothesis he

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison using Monte Carlo

2019-12-02 Thread Ting Li
External Email - Use Caution Dear Dr. Douglas, Thank you so much for your quick response! You saved my half life. From the introduction of clusterwise correction for multiple comparisons, I have a few questions. 1, What is the null hypothesis here ? 2, What is a z map? Do you me

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison using Monte Carlo

2019-12-02 Thread Greve, Douglas N.,Ph.D.
That will use the pre-computed ("cached") CSD files distributed with FreeSurfer. This used 10,000 iterations. On 12/1/2019 11:34 PM, Ting Li wrote: External Email - Use Caution Dear Freesurfer Expert: I have used the simulation code as show below: mri_glmfit-sim \ --glmdir lh.gende

[Freesurfer] Multiple comparison using Monte Carlo

2019-12-01 Thread Ting Li
External Email - Use Caution Dear Freesurfer Expert: I have used the simulation code as show below: mri_glmfit-sim \ --glmdir lh.gender_age.glmdir \ --cache 4 neg \ --cwp 0.05\ --2spaces My question is how many iterations are done during this simulation? I didn’t speci

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple Comparison Correction, Paired T-Test

2019-07-29 Thread Greve, Douglas N.,Ph.D.
Have you seen this tutorial? https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/FsTutorial/MultipleComparisonsV6.0Perm it uses permutation (which does not work with weighted least squares), but you could change it to use the old monte carlo stuff. On 7/29/19 2:15 PM, FAST Study wrote: > > Externa

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison - permutation

2018-07-16 Thread Douglas N. Greve
See https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/FsTutorial/MultipleComparisonsV6.0Perm?highlight=%28permutation%29 On 07/16/2018 02:15 PM, Ting Li wrote: > > External Email - Use Caution > > Hi Douglas, > > I just try your suggestion. It gives me information like the > following. What does

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison - permutation

2018-07-16 Thread Ting Li
External Email - Use Caution Hi Douglas, I just try your suggestion. It gives me information like the following. What does the design matrix stands for? Thanks. Ting ERROR: design matrix is not orthogonal, cannot be used with permutation. If this something you really want to d

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison - permutation

2018-07-16 Thread Douglas N. Greve
My guess is that something is going wrong with the backgrounding. Try running it without the --bg option. You can run it with a few (eg, 100) iterations just to see if it finishes. On 07/05/2018 12:34 PM, Ting Li wrote: > > External Email - Use Caution > > Dear Freesurfer Experts, > >

[Freesurfer] Multiple comparison, color maps and contrast

2017-09-17 Thread miracle ozzoude
Hello, I want to run a whole brain cortical thickness analysis and I will like to confirm some steps. a) for correcting for multiple comparison, I want to use both Monte Carlo and permutations in order to compare the difference. Are these the right commands?  Monte Carlo : mri_glmfit-sim --glmdir

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison question

2017-02-03 Thread neuroimage analyst
Thank you, Anderson. Regards. VM On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Anderson M. Winkler wrote: > Hi VM, > > They can stay all in the same .csv file. The "fwep" files will have > p-values corrected across all columns of this input. > > All the best, > > Anderson > > > On 2 February 2017 at 12:09,

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison question

2017-02-02 Thread Anderson M. Winkler
Hi VM, They can stay all in the same .csv file. The "fwep" files will have p-values corrected across all columns of this input. All the best, Anderson On 2 February 2017 at 12:09, neuroimage analyst < neuroimage.anal...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Anderson. If there are several other measures

[Freesurfer] Multiple comparison question

2017-02-02 Thread neuroimage analyst
Hi, We extracted volume measures from 7 ROIs in 2 groups and compared a) Mean of each ROI volume between group, and compared independently such as i) whether mean of ROI 1 in group 1 is equal to mean of ROI1 in group 2 ii)whether mean of ROI 2 in group 1 is equal to mean of ROI2 in group 2 and so

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison question

2017-02-02 Thread neuroimage analyst
Thanks, Anderson. If there are several other measures such as volume, thickness, FA, can I then put them in a single csv file and run the command or I have to create 3 csv files, one each for volume, thickness,and FA and also invoke -corrmod? Thanks Regards VM On Feb 2, 2017 1:01 AM, "Anderson

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison question

2017-02-02 Thread Anderson M. Winkler
Hi VM, Please see below: On 1 February 2017 at 02:38, neuroimage analyst < neuroimage.anal...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > We extracted volume measures from 7 ROIs in 2 groups and compared > a) Mean of each ROI volume between group, and compared independently such > as > i) whether mean of ROI 1

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple comparison correction on subcortical volume

2017-01-10 Thread Douglas N Greve
I would say yes, but I've seen plenty of pubs that do not correct. The bonferroni correction is fine. You could also try FDR (though on 4 points it might not make much sense). On 01/10/2017 01:47 PM, neuroimage analyst wrote: > Hi, > > I extracted thalamic, caudate, and putamen volume (left hem

[Freesurfer] Multiple comparison correction on subcortical volume

2017-01-10 Thread neuroimage analyst
Hi, I extracted thalamic, caudate, and putamen volume (left hemisphere), and cingulate thickness (right hemisphere) from freesurfer's parcellation. Then I compare these volumes and thickness across two groups using R and found significant differences in these measurements. Do I have to correct for

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple Comparison Question for surface-based analyses

2016-10-28 Thread Douglas Greve
On 10/17/16 2:16 AM, Ajay Kurani wrote: Hi Doug, I had some additional questions regarding multiple comparisons in Freesurfer. 1) Do you correct the left and right hemispheres separately or combine both together for muliple comparison correction? We correct each hemi independently and the

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple Comparison Question for surface-based analyses

2016-10-16 Thread Ajay Kurani
Hi Doug, I had some additional questions regarding multiple comparisons in Freesurfer. 1) Do you correct the left and right hemispheres separately or combine both together for muliple comparison correction? 2) Say you are testing multiple contrasts in your model: A > B, A< B etc. Do you correct

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple Comparison Question for surface-based analyses

2016-08-03 Thread Douglas Greve
On 8/3/16 3:45 AM, Ajay Kurani wrote: Hi Doug, Thank you very much for your update regarding this issue. 1)Just curious, will LGI be included in this report as this is another analysis of interest? I was not planning to. The 809 subjects that I used for thickness do not have lGI run on th

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple Comparison Question for surface-based analyses

2016-08-03 Thread Ajay Kurani
Hi Doug, Thank you very much for your update regarding this issue. 1)Just curious, will LGI be included in this report as this is another analysis of interest? 2)As for the cortical thickness I originally used 15mm in the analysis so based on your email I think using 5-10mm may be more prudent

Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple Comparison Question for surface-based analyses

2016-08-02 Thread Douglas N Greve
I have been doing simulations similar to #1 (Eklund) using surface-based analysis on both thickness and fMRI. I'll prepare a report of the results, but the early indications are that the same effect is in play, though it does not look like the effects are as bad as in Eklund. For thickness ana

[Freesurfer] Multiple Comparison Question for surface-based analyses

2016-08-01 Thread Ajay Kurani
Hello Freesurfer Experts, Recently there were two article published regarding clusterwise simulations for volumetric fmri analyses and potential errors for underestimating clusterwise extent thresholds. 1) http://www.pnas.org/content/113/28/7900.full.pdf?with-ds=yes 2) biorxiv.org/content/early

[Freesurfer] multiple comparison correction using monte carlo

2010-02-05 Thread Casper van Oers
Hi, I have performed a linear mixed model analysis on surface data in AFNI using SUMA, resulting in each vertex having a p value. I would like to perform a multiple comparison correction using freesurfer, as an FDR approach in AFNI is to stringent (individual vertex statistical thresholds are low)

[Freesurfer] Multiple Comparison - Clusterwise Correction

2009-03-03 Thread Devdutta W
Hi Freesurfers, More questions about this analysis. 1) Referring to the documentation, we used the following command: tksurfer fsaverage lh inflated -annot mc-z.abs.2.sig.ocn.annot -fthresh 2 -curv -gray The documentation says we should see an image as shown in Figure 1 (attached). But what we s

Re: [Freesurfer] multiple comparison

2005-11-22 Thread Doug Greve
The dsign.con looks something like this: --cut here --- %! VEST-Waveform File /NumWaves   2 /NumContrasts   2 /PPheights  1.00e+00    1.00e+00 /Matrix 1.00e+00 -1.00e+00 -1.00e+00 1.00e+00 - cut here -

Re: [Freesurfer] multiple comparison

2005-11-22 Thread a . m . fjell
Hi Doug, we are eager to try the FSL randomise program on a FS data set we have. However, we have one (stupid, maybe) question: is the file design.con something that we make manually, or is it generated by some of the previous processes? If we are going to make it ourselves, how should it be? In o

Re: [Freesurfer] multiple comparison

2005-10-25 Thread Doug Greve
FYI, FSL has a nice site documenting the randomise program :) http://www.fmrib.ox.ac.uk/fsl/randomise/index.html Doug Greve wrote: mris_glm does not correct for multiple comparisons itself. However, you can use fdr inside of tksurfer, or ... Steve Smith and I just worked out how to use t

Re: [Freesurfer] multiple comparison

2005-10-25 Thread Doug Greve
mris_glm does not correct for multiple comparisons itself. However, you can use fdr inside of tksurfer, or ... Steve Smith and I just worked out how to use the FSL randomise program to compute the vertex-wise threshold. Randomise implements permutation testing, which is much less conservativ

[Freesurfer] multiple comparison

2005-10-25 Thread Antao Du
Hi, I am running mris_glm to compare the cortical thickness between two groups. I have a question, which method is used for correcting multiple comparison in the analysis? Thanks, Antao ___ Freesurfer mailing list Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu https:/