Re: [Freesurfer] Results different between mean-centered and raw covariates -- glm_fit

2016-08-29 Thread Douglas N Greve
You definitely do not want to demean within group. Having said that, no demeaning method is more "sound" than the other. The problem is in the interpretation. Imagaine you have a plot of volume vs ICV for each group. When you have an interaction, the best-fit lines will intersect at some ICV. I

Re: [Freesurfer] Results different between mean-centered and raw covariates -- glm_fit

2016-08-29 Thread Corinna Bauer
Yes, I agree completely. We are using DODS and it is clear that we have different results depending on which type of ICV we use. The question is... which type of ICV correction for DODS is the most statistically sound? demean across all groups, no demeaning, or demean within groups separately. Wha

Re: [Freesurfer] Results different between mean-centered and raw covariates -- glm_fit

2016-08-29 Thread Douglas N Greve
If there was not an interaction between group and ICV, I would say to use DOSS where demeaning does not make a difference. Since there is an interaction, you have to use DODS, but the interpretation is no longer easy. If you do not demean, then you are implictly testing for a difference at ICV=

Re: [Freesurfer] Results different between mean-centered and raw covariates -- glm_fit

2016-08-29 Thread Corinna Bauer
Sorry for not specifying. Yes, we are looking at difference in volume between the two groups using DODS. What is the most statistically sound... raw values, demeaning across the entire sample, or demeaning with groups separately? FYI, I exported the ICV values to SAS and there is a significant diff

Re: [Freesurfer] Results different between mean-centered and raw covariates -- glm_fit

2016-08-29 Thread Douglas N Greve
not sure what you are testing, but if you are, eg, looking at the difference between two groups regressing out ICV, then it can make a huge difference On 08/29/2016 12:36 PM, Corinna Bauer wrote: > Hello all, > > I am wondering why results would change completely for between group > volume ana

[Freesurfer] Results different between mean-centered and raw covariates -- glm_fit

2016-08-29 Thread Corinna Bauer
Hello all, I am wondering why results would change completely for between group volume analysis when using demeaned/mean-centered ICV compared to using ICV as a covariate in mri_glmfit? See the figures below. Does demeaning the covariate inherently change the results comapred to the raw covariate