rigacci.org/docs/biblio/online/firmware/diskmgr.htm
Just be careful using boot disks -- you need the disk manager on your
boot disks too. Boot from a non-disk-manager disk and writing to the
drive *will* corrupt it.
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>
>
> On 3/3/21 7:30 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> > Yes. Use a disk manager. It will install a tiny overlay before the OS
> > boots and that will allow you to use arbitrarily-large disks without
> > problems. (Probably not with
used kit if
possible, mostly laptops now, according to things like keyboard
quality and screen resolution. So long as it has, say, a Core i5 and
enough RAM or the RAM is cheap to add, it will do. I still have some
Core 2 machines in use; they're fine for light use, despite being over
a decade o
s not bootable) will appear to the PC
as a SCSI controller and its firmware will take over the INT13 BIOS
calls for disk access completely.
If you do decide to go that route, though, I advise _against_ mixing
SATA and EIDE/PATA disks. Let the SATA controllers' firmware take over
completely and
ientific literacy, and a basic understanding of
statistics and ideas like a significant or insignificant difference.
I've seen websites making buying recommendations based on measuring
external sources' bar charts with a ruler, when they did not notice
that the Y axis did not begin at zero.
-
this was the subject of a talk I delivered at the
FOSDEM conference last month, which was a follow-up to my talk at
FOSDEM 2020. They may interest folk here.
https://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/77065.html
(2020 talk, slides, video etc. https://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/69099.html
-
..
https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-RC-212-Controller-Supports-non-RAID/
https://www.amazon.com/VT6421A-3-Port-SATA-Raid-Controller/dp/B000YMJ6ZE/
I have also read that some SATA-EIDE converters work in both
directions, sometimes set with a jumper. So maybe you could use the
one you already ha
on't want prompts,
format a: /autotest
These are the MS command variants but I suspect they'd work.
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w that
> even works.
So go read. Learn. Do less ranting.
> The Pi uses a RISC processor
To be specific, an Acorn RISC machine, like the one I bought in 1989
and which still can run the same OS: RISC OS. You should try it. There
are free emulators if you don't have a Pi.
> where th
t
understand the differences between different CPU architectures.
You can't run classic MacOS on a MIPS computer, or SGI IRIX on
PowerPC, or Solaris on an ARM computer, and you can't run DOS on an
ARM. But the OP seems not to fully understand these differences.
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im according to things you only imagine he said. That is
unfair and wrong.
> And if someone doesn't understand this issue at hand is part of the
> problem...
It appears that someone here does not fully and properly understand
this issue, and it is you, Ralf.
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Shift to bypass CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT
completely, and run the update.
No need for an optical disk at all. Don't waste it. No external drive
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On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 13:36, Michael Christopher Robinson
wrote:
> I can be a part of a healthy conversation, otherwise I have to respectfully
> withdraw.
Please do.
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you to ignore the suggestions from "Michael Christopher
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No need.
> Just seen Tom's contribution. Does the file size support that theory.
Not really, no.
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0.99
GB free. ;-)
Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. Remember the KISS Principle!
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On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 17:39, Michael Christopher Robinson
wrote:
>
> Some version of Windows is what Dell expects him to have to update his BIOS,
> that's where that came in.
No, it doesn't, and you are wrong. PLEASE stop giving ill-informed,
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Just get Unetbootin and use that. It is very easy.
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sier_
than trying to access a USB device from DOS, which needs complex
drivers and configuration. And since the USB key can be used again and
again, unlike an optical medium, it is more environmentally friendly
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t
motherboard and chipset, as AMD and Intel chips do not work in each
other's motherboards or even fit into each other's sockets.
An Intel BIOS won't work in an AMD board, and an AMD BIOS won't work
on an Intel board.
For at least one variant, revision A02 looked to be
re _are_ some drivers, for USB 1, for _some_ chipsets, but they
are difficult to configure. If you have to ask, you can't do it.)
But if you boot FreeDOS from a USB key, the BIOS emulates a hard disk
for DOS and it will work.
This is the same answer as your BIOS question.
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OS on an ARM, or an ARM OS on an x86. What you need is an emulator.
You can emulate DOS on a Pi if you want.
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21
https://github.com/jhhoward/Faux86/releases
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uk/news/1996865/cebit-caldera-windows-dr-dos-denying-ms-claims
It was codenamed "Winglue" and demonstrated at CEBIT:
https://www.theregister.com/1998/09/28/caldera_s_dr_gets_onsatellite/
I stand by my comments.
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her window and then waste hours idly surfing the Web.
You can't meaningfully use the Web at all. That helps me to get more
done.
It's also handy for re-flashing BIOSes and things like that. :-)
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Pi Desktop x86 (very customisable, full desktop, and used
less RAM than CB++ (±205MB)
I also saw that Mageia still supports x86-32 but it is not mentioned
as a lightweight distro.
> https://www.slitaz.org/en/
Worth knowing -- thanks. I haven't looked at Slitaz in a decade. I
will bear i
inefficient
series of ones in the 1990s... and we still run their descendants
today.
And in its efforts to keep up, Linux has grown just as bloated.
I used a distro in the mid-1990s that ran in 3MB of disk space (2
floppies) — http://www.toms.net/rb/ — and another that installed onto
a DOS h
day. So Unix-like, AT&T sent Dennis
Ritchie himself to the MWC offices to check it wasn't pirated. It
wasn't.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/_ZaYeY46eb4/m/5B41Uym6d4QJ
It's FOSS now.
http://www.nesssoftware.com/home/mwc/
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booted about 3 times in a year.
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istor budgets likely has a specific
> purpose like hard realtime and will never see a transition to a protected
> architecture, and any general-purpose architecture introduced today is almost
> certain to have memory protection.
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The claim is that Paterson re-implemented, from scratch, cleanly and
with his own code, the _design_ of CP/M.
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f my Register articles here:
https://search.theregister.com/?q=&advanced=1&author=liam+proven&date=the+dawn+of+time&results_per_page=100
I don't have much time for it any more as I'm a full-time writer and
editor, and also (at 53) a new dad with an 18-month-old daughter.
ffering multitasking OSes (Concurrent CP/M, Concurrent
DOS, FlexOS, Multiuser DOS) which could multitask DOS apps.
I am not saying Paterson stole the code. I am saying he lifted the design.
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He didn't plan to crush DR, although I suspect MS did.
But he did take someone else's design, yes.
> I however don't think so. 'lifting' implies
> some unproper behaviour
That is why I used the word, yes.
> BTW: your original statement was
>
> 'Re
> other original UNIX ideas.
This is true, but that was MS-DOS _2_ and after that point it started
to diverge radically from its ancestor.
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nes. Solaris was of no interest or relevance
to IBM RS6000 customers, and AIX was of no interest to Sun customers,
and so on. Each only ran on their own proprietary hardware until late
in the era of proprietary RISC workstations.
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sold more does not change who created it.
> few people would agree with you on that.
To be honest, I think very few people would agree with what you
obviously feel are strong counter-arguments. To me, your arguments
make no sense at all.
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On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 at 13:36, tom ehlert wrote:
>
> and by extension FreeDOS is an unlicensed copy of MSDOS 6.x ?
>
> nope.
And now you are talking to yourself – and disagreeing with yourself?!
Are you feeling all right?
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posted links, but if you search
with Google on the site liam-on-linux.livejournal.com for "DR DOS" or
"PC DOS", you will find descriptions of what I have done and downloads
of VirtualBox VHD images.
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actively like attacking strangers on the internet who are trying to
offer help, guidance and advice free of charge, _modify your tone_.
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current favourite, which is Oberon.
http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/04/22/oberon/
There are a _lot_ of choices out there that are not as bloated as
modern Linux tends to be, and not super-simple and limited like DOS
(any DOS).
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t I am most excited by is the personal project of the lead
programmer of Tao Group's Taos and Intent/Elate:
https://github.com/vygr/ChrysaLisp
But none are beginner-friendly... Yet, anyway. :-)
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includes that protocol.
But without answering #1 we can't really give much more in the way of pointers.
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2] Set up a TCP/IP stack and bind it to the card.
[3] Find and install an LPD/LPR client on that stack.
I found this, from this list, 14Y ago.
https://freedos-user.narkive.com/uTRrLddU/printing-to-a-network-printer
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y running
it under Windows, then copy across the unpacked files. If you don't,
you could try WINE on Linux, or just try opening it with a Linux
archive manager -- many of them can unpack Windows SEAs.
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hey're no use to me.)
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a 404 (April 26, 2021,19:29)
Strange. For me, it automatically redirects, and I copied and pasted
the URL directly.
http://outliners.scripting.com/ is the redirect.
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oks like it has a lot of extra functionality
I'd not need -- character tracking, plots, etc., rather like Scrivener
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too. :-(
I do own copies of Word 97 and Office 2000, so I think I can use
down-level versions legally, but sadly Word 6 is not freeware.
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DIS directory in
that driver you downloaded.
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be a significant
improvement -- but I have not played with it yet, as AFAIK no
distribution includes it so far.
I note that DOSemu 1 on Debian, Ubuntu, openSUSE etc. still includes
FreeDOS 0.9-something, pre-1.0 as far as I can recall. That might be
something for the FreeDOS team to investigate and rec
most
certainly just lie and say "yes" to get the sale.
The real question is: "can the machine boot DOS?" Even so, I think
very few would know.
Try it and see is the best answer.
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On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 15:55, Mateusz Viste wrote:
>
> On 27/04/2021 15:43, Liam Proven wrote:
> > UEFI vs BIOS is either-or. A single machine can't have both, and I do
> > not know of any where it is a choice. It is a design decision.
>
> On my Thinkpads the BIOS all
rds where the CSM
> initially wasn't available, and got added in a later version of the
> BIOS. But, I wouldn't rely on this anymore - for many vendors it's
> UEFI-only from now on.
They are probably all UEFI-only, but some have UEFI with BIOS
emulation -- that is, CSM -- and
other emulator).
It might be both fun and useful, but it's not really DOS any more...
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apps, and allows reading files on Linux partitions, printing to Linux
printers, etc.
But conceptually close!
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the tone rather hostile so I left. Now I have returned,
because I am intermittently pursuing a couple of DOS-related projects
of my own, I quickly remembered why I left.
All I can say is: it's not just you. :-( I get a strong feeling of
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by an earlier OS, called Oberon. It is still around, runs on modern PC
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http://ignorethecode.net/blog/2009/04/22/oberon/
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support, with no
device drivers, so almost all DOS apps implemented their own printer
support with device drivers to enable different font sizes, *bold* and
_underline_ and /italics/ and so on.
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27;s all, now print it."
https://www.winsteps.com/winman/formfd.htm
So you'd do:
echo myfile.txt > lpt2:
... then...
echo ^L > lpt2:
^L means "press Ctrl and the letter l"
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signed to LPT2:
Agreed.
Bryan is not telling us the full story here. I have asked for more
info, been told
"I do not perceive your specification of further information required!"
... (whatever that means) so I am giving up here.
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e undergone multiple generation changes since the
DOS era.
> There is no existing Linux system that I could run in this fashion,
> because for me personally, there is no existing Linux system providing
> the adaptive technology I both desire and require.
Can you give us some examples of wh
running with a lot more space than they used
> to have.
Well, good! It is definitely progress and I am happy to hear about that.
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OS machine before now. It
brings additional power, complexity and accessibility issues, though.
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he false accusations. Karen, mind your manners. You are
living up to the reputation of your name.
> If freedos is never going to provide a proper browser, how can it claim to
> be a fully functional operating system where networking is concerned?
It doesn't. Apparently your ignora
sing and everything else.
But we can't let go of the single lousy handful of rice that we are
clutching. We can't let go of our broken political and economic and
military-industrial systems. We can't even let go of our broken 1960s
and 1970s computer operating systems.
And every
I am not interested into entering into debates about your medical claims.
I do not live in your country and never have, so I doubt you could sue
me if I had said anything actionable, which I have not.
This is a mailing list. It cannot be edited. What is sent is sent and
it cannot be changed.
If
e to
execute.
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y will do fancy
stuff nobody else understands. So this improves their job security --
they know you need to keep them.
I was a Windows whizzkid in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
I saw the way things were going by the mid 1990s, so I left the
business and became a journalist. Then the Web killed
finished, stop the Win98 VM and start your DOS VM. There are
the files on the D drive. Work on them as you wish, then to put them
back on the host, stop DOS and restart Win98.
It's clunky but it's easier than configuring DOS networking.
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en your BIOS sleep hotkey should
work, and the computer _should_ come back from it.
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> booted from a FreeDos USB-Stick, the fan and I guess the harddisk are running
> all the time.
... then I think that they really need to load the POWER/FDAPM driver
to prevent their CPU running at 100% all the time.
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else for Ø I suppose, but I forget after nearly 30 years.) So you
couldn't write about amounts in Japanese Yen in Norwegian (!).
A decade later I was engaged to a Norwegian and learned to speak the
language at a basic level. One letter may not seem like much but it
was a big deal for abou
ral
of which I can't type on this Mac -- I may need that some day.
Meantime this info might be useful to ...
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it. I think you just assume everyone
knows. I can say with confidence _everyone_ does _not_ know, inasmuch
as I do not!
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ogging Western ones: Deepin, Kylin, etc.
> I hope to hear soon from Jim Hall regarding "what's up" with the HP FreeDOS
> 3.0.
You've been told already but you apparently refuse to accept it. It is
a typo or something. This product is not real, does not exist, never
disk up
to 2TB but not more.
GPT can be used on any size of drive but must be used on drives bigger than 2TB.
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a mailing list. Please use plain text.
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rkaround that allows MBR to be safely used
for drives bigger than 2TB. It must work at least as well as GPT,
meaning it is free, works on any OS, allows the OS to be booted from
the drive, etc.
I do not know of any such system but I am always happy to learn.
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leased MS-DOS 1.25, 2.0 and 2.11 as FOSS.
The OS/2 Museum have rebuilt it from source:
https://www.os2museum.com/wp/pc-dos-1-1-from-scratch/
https://www.os2museum.com/wp/dos-2-11-from-scratch/
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that is wrong. It's there and it's legit.
> there's a LOT that happened between 2.11 (october 1983) and 6.22 (april 1994)
100% agree.
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obody has.
Therefore, nobody now can.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laches_(equity)
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, Jim Hall accused me of spamming,
so I will not post it again. Google my name; I'm the only person with
it.
> I have no idea what you are arguing about.
You said that there was no FOSS release of DOS by Microsoft. There was.
This is nothing whatsoever to do with any leaked code, whi
x27;s an hour long, fast-paced, goes into some technical detail, and I
wasn't able to follow it at any more than 1x speed. There's a lot that
is irrelevant, too, but if you can spare an hour, you will see the
problems faced by a company that _wanted_ to release its OS as FOSS,
and the vast e
t;connecting to the Internet". I mean, people do this fairly
routinely; you can serve web pages from DOS if you want. There were
DOS email and chat and FTP clients; that stuff's fairly easy.
It's the Web that's hard.
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bits of DR-DOS (just its kernel and command interpreter).
In fact the only multitasking DOS that did become FOSS was PC-MOS/386.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/ms-dos-variant-pc-mos386-reborn-as-open-source/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC-MOS/386
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ecause they don't know how to use email right.
Hint: https://useplaintext.email/
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With the exception of the versions released _after_ MS stopped
developing, offering or selling DOS as a standalone product (i.e. PC
DOS 6.3, 7.0, 2000 and 7.1) then the *only* version of MS-DOS mainly
developed by IBM was MS-DOS 4.0x.
If you know differently, please share some evidence, because I'
change was that unlike all
> previous versions, DOS 3.3 development was done solely at IBM.
> Microsoft was busy working on OS/2 (not yet under that name) and the
> OS/2 development team included many core DOS developers, such as Mark
> Zbikowski."
Fascinating! Thank you ve
FreeDOS' directory and FreeDOS'
`COUNTRY.SYS` file, not Windows'?
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OS' `COMMAND.COM` under a DOS
Windows in XP but that's not running FreeDOS/
> I already tried c:\dos\country.sys and c:freedos\country.sys
Did you check to see that the relevant files exist? There's no point
randomly changing the lines. But anyway, I don't think th
DOS you can just delete PAGEFILE.SYS — Windows will silently
recreate it next boot.
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but it's dedicated to the built-in DOS, as far as I know.
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titionMagic came along, but it worked
and it meant it was easy to get NT onto machines that OS/2 only
installed upon with great difficulty, or not at all.
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