Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)

2005-03-17 Thread Johnson Lam
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:53:37 +0100, you wrote: Hi Everyone, >Sorry, I understood that you meant that there's no point in installing FreeDOS >in a new machine, and I mentioned a possible situation. I think maybe misunderstanding between idea and languages. FreeDOS can be use on old or new machin

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)

2005-03-16 Thread Charlie Wilkes
--- GNU_man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The reason I like using such a slow PC is that you > can actually see the difference in performance > between good code and sloppy code. On a more > modern machine than my 286, a routine written in > interpreted QBasic would appear to run no slower > tha

RE: Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)

2005-03-16 Thread AITOR SANTAMARIA MERINO
005 6:57pm Asunto: Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC) > I think some people misunderstood what I originally said about FD >and old PC's. I didn't say ONLY, i just meant in addition to providing >a true DOS O/S for your current c

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)

2005-03-15 Thread GNU_man
Johnson Lam wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:29:46 +0100, you wrote: Hi Aitor, Sorry for breaking in ... I disagree. FreeDOS is not "suited for old machines", but "suited for running DOS16/DOS32 code", as well as you can use WindowsXP to run your Win32 code and Linux to run your

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)

2005-03-15 Thread Johnson Lam
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:29:46 +0100, you wrote: Hi Aitor, Sorry for breaking in ... >I disagree. FreeDOS is not "suited for old machines", but "suited for >running DOS16/DOS32 code", as well as you can use WindowsXP to run your >Win32 code and Linux to run your Linux code. Have you ever tried t

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-14 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi! 14-Мар-2005 00:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aitor Santamar?a Merino) wrote to freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net: ASM> Well, FAT32 requires 32-bit registers to operate comfortably. For the ASM> FreeDOS case, can I run a FAT32 enabled kernel in a 286 machine? (which ASM> of course doesn't have FAT32

RE: Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-14 Thread AITOR SANTAMARIA MERINO
> > Yes, under every version of DOS that I'm >aware of, HIMEM.SYS is an XMS driver for 286 and above. > > > >Not true of MS-DOS 7.x. FreeDOS reports as 7.10, also. > > > I was only speaking of MS-DOS up to 6.22, because that's what i >think of when i talk about DOS. I didn't k

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-13 Thread Charlie Wilkes
--- Bernd Blaauw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyway, glad we found a 286 user :) > DOS is intended for such machines indeed, but > there's hardly any of > these machines around in the wild. New 286 boards are available on the web. I think they run about $100 for single-unit sales. For an ex

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-13 Thread root
Michael Devore wrote: At 04:36 PM 3/13/2005 -0800, root wrote: Yes, under every version of DOS that I'm aware of, HIMEM.SYS is an XMS driver for 286 and above. Not true of MS-DOS 7.x.  FreeDOS reports as 7.10, also.     I was only speaking of MS-DOS  up to 6.22,  because

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-13 Thread Michael Devore
At 04:36 PM 3/13/2005 -0800, root wrote: Yes, under every version of DOS that I'm aware of, HIMEM.SYS is an XMS driver for 286 and above. Not true of MS-DOS 7.x. FreeDOS reports as 7.10, also. Most people that have/had a 386+ just run EMM386 in addition to HIMEM, I'm assuming for the purpose of

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-13 Thread root
Bernd Blaauw wrote: I don't know if DOS6's HIMEM works on 286 machines. Someone told me DOS 7.10 (Win98) only runs on 386+ machines. Anyway, glad we found a 286 user :) DOS is intended for such machines indeed, but there's hardly any of these machines around in the wild. Bernd -

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-13 Thread Christopher Evans
I have two functioning 286 machines here, w/ a working MFM still. Should there need be, I can try and make my 8088, 80386, PS/2(286) machines for testings. Aitor -- --chris 1-916-501-1423 http://bbx.flnet.org/nxdos/";>http://bbx.flnet.org/nxdos/ --

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-13 Thread root
Aitor Santamaría Merino wrote: Hi there, root escribió: Oops - i forgot that Linux is going to label me as 'root' by default! Anyway... I'm surprised that it is so uncommon to run FD on an old PC. IMHO it seems ridiculous to install FreeDOS on your P4 side-by-side with Windows XP like so many

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-13 Thread Aitor Santamaría Merino
Hi, Kristaps Kaupe escribiÃ: I don't know if DOS6's HIMEM works on 286 machines. Someone told me DOS 7.10 (Win98) only runs on 386+ machines. MS-DOS 5 and 6 HIMEM.SYS works on 286 machines, I have used it on my first PC (286) long time ago. In MS-DOS 7.10 (Win98) even kernel runs only on 386+

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-13 Thread Michael Devore
At 04:36 PM 3/13/2005 +0100, Bernd Blaauw wrote: probably better, make HIMEM compatible to 286+, which would end up in a single unified XMS driver. Adamantly and permanently opposed. And you might be too, with the potential size increase and performance decrease in HIMEM after the significant

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-13 Thread Kristaps Kaupe
> I don't know if DOS6's HIMEM works on 286 machines. Someone told me DOS > 7.10 (Win98) only runs on 386+ machines. MS-DOS 5 and 6 HIMEM.SYS works on 286 machines, I have used it on my first PC (286) long time ago. In MS-DOS 7.10 (Win98) even kernel runs only on 386+ machines. Kristaps Kaupe, h

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-13 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Original report that started this thread a few weeks ago was about FDXMS286 not working on the 286 computer that 'root' has. Originally FreeDOS seems to have FDXMS, and derived from it FDXXMS (64MB+) and FDXMS286 (286+ platform instead of only 386+). Later on Tom Ehlert forked FDXMS (0.8?) into

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-13 Thread Aitor Santamaría Merino
Hi, Kenneth J. Davis escribió: ... Anyway... I'm surprised that it is so uncommon to run FD on an old PC. IMHO it seems ridiculous to install FreeDOS on your P4 side-by-side with Windows XP like so many other people do. I mean what DOS software is going to run properly on a 3Ghz CPU? Besides,

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-13 Thread Aitor Santamaría Merino
Hi there, root escribió: Oops - i forgot that Linux is going to label me as 'root' by default! Anyway... I'm surprised that it is so uncommon to run FD on an old PC. IMHO it seems ridiculous to install FreeDOS on your P4 side-by-side with Windows XP like so many other people do. I mean what D

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-12 Thread Christopher Evans
In a way some did, those 8086/88-80186 used expanded memory ISA cards which most were not compatible with standard requiring own driver. Is there any use nowadays for this hardware? yes, some are still produce system on chip 80186. When I get nxdos done I'll just upload it to someplace like sim

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-12 Thread Michael Devore
At 06:44 PM 3/12/2005 -0800, root wrote: Bernd Blaauw wrote: FDXMS286 should have worked on your computer, and HIMEM probably should have refused to load at all, as it currently cannot handle 286. Great to see someone who can actually test/experiment on pre386 equipment. I do not know if there ar

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-12 Thread Kenneth J. Davis
... Anyway... I'm surprised that it is so uncommon to run FD on an old PC. IMHO it seems ridiculous to install FreeDOS on your P4 side-by-side with Windows XP like so many other people do. I mean what DOS software is going to run properly on a 3Ghz CPU? Besides, what else are you going to do

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-12 Thread root
Bernd Blaauw wrote: Hello 'root', FDXMS286 should have worked on your computer, and HIMEM probably should have refused to load at all, as it currently cannot handle 286. Great to see someone who can actually test/experiment on pre386 equipment. I do not know if there are any plans to make HIMEM c

[Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-02 Thread root
Hello, I recently installed (by floppy) FreeDOS B9 Dist. on a generic 286 that has 384kb of extended memory. Everything works except any XMS managment. HIMEM.EXE and FDXMS286 both crash the computer. Does anyone have experience using XMS on a 286 with FreeDOS? I had Caldera OpenDOS installed

Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286

2005-03-01 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Hello 'root', FDXMS286 should have worked on your computer, and HIMEM probably should have refused to load at all, as it currently cannot handle 286. Great to see someone who can actually test/experiment on pre386 equipment. I do not know if there are any plans to make HIMEM compatible with 286 s