Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2 - and 1.3

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 6:34 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: > Hi Mercury, some short answers :-) > I think dates as version numbers are fine when there is no explicit version > numbering. I would use the date of the most recent file, leave the decision > to you whether that means th

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2 - and 1.3

Hi, > On Mar 27, 2020, at 11:03 PM, Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user > wrote: > > Hi Jerome, Eric! > > > On Friday, March 27, 2020 1:16 PM, Jerome Shidel jer...@shidel.net > wrote: > > Hi Eric, > I took a quick look. > There is some minor confusion and package is

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2 - and 1.3

Hi Mercury, some short answers :-) I think dates as version numbers are fine when there is no explicit version numbering. I would use the date of the most recent file, leave the decision to you whether that means the version is this week since YOU yourself have made per-driver excerpts of the re

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2 - and 1.3

Hi Jerome, Eric! On Friday, March 27, 2020 1:16 PM, Jerome Shidel jer...@shidel.net wrote: > Hi Eric, > I took a quick look. > There is some minor confusion and package issues and they cannot be replace > the current packages “AS-IS”. > At a glance… > Are they all newer than the ones already in

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2 - and 1.3

Hi Eric, > On Mar 27, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Eric Auer wrote: > > > Hi Jerome, > >> The package UIDE contains UHDD. >> It was updated to the latest versions almost a year ago. > > Mercury has recently created separate packages for > all different drivers, with separate readme, source > and so on.

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2 - and 1.3

Hi Jerome, > The package UIDE contains UHDD. > It was updated to the latest versions almost a year ago. Mercury has recently created separate packages for all different drivers, with separate readme, source and so on. Please use those for 1.3, so people do not have to search for UHDD in the UID

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2 - and 1.3

The package UIDE contains UHDD. It was updated to the latest versions almost a year ago. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/latest/pkg-html/uide.html _

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2 - and 1.3

Hi Rugxulo, Skipping over the FUD undertone, here are some answers :-) Yes the UHDD updates in 2019 are useful and by the author. Yes UHDD + UDVD2 works better than using only UIDE alone. No this is not about RDISK or XMGR updates, although if you can be more specific, I can check whether ibibl

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2 - and 1.3

Gruess Gott, On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:59 AM Eric Auer wrote: > > > As far as I'm concerned, UIDE [sic] died in 2015. > > Another reason to switch to UHDD and UDVD2. I meant that I'm only personally aware of the 2015 "drivers" (long ago abandoned). I was not directly informed of the later "ad hoc

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2 - and 1.3

Hi Jim, > I think this is an oversight in FreeDOS 1.3. I did review UDVD2 and the > others and said they were ok for FreeDOS 1.3. They are listed as such > (green) on the Packages page. > http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Releases/1.3/Packages > > Unless I'm missing something? I agree: It

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2 - and 1.3

I think this is an oversight in FreeDOS 1.3. I did review UDVD2 and the others and said they were ok for FreeDOS 1.3. They are listed as such (green) on the Packages page. http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Releases/1.3/Packages Unless I'm missing something? Jim On Mon, Mar 9, 2020, 5:59 AM

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2 - and 1.3

Hi Rugxulo, Jerome, Jim et al, > The full 1.2 release was from late 2016 / early 2017. > It hasn't changed. Good point, although 1.3 is still pending, so people might still want to update while they only have 1.2. > As far as I'm concerned, UIDE [sic] died in 2015. Another reason to switch to

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2

Gruess Gott, On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 10:12 AM Eric Auer wrote: > > It seems that FreeDOS 1.2 currently includes UIDE. "Currently"?? The full 1.2 release was from late 2016 / early 2017. It hasn't changed. As far as I'm concerned, UIDE [sic] died in 2015. > It would probably be better to use UHD

[Freedos-user] UIDE versus UHDD in freedos 1.2

Hi! It seems that FreeDOS 1.2 currently includes UIDE. It would probably be better to use UHDD and UDVD2 instead: Those have better performance and better 80386 style XMS compatibility on old computers, as well as improved drive detection, DMA choices, support for disks above 128 GB size and mo

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Updates: NOT "Losing My Mind"!

Jack, "another week, another UIDE update" is probably just a compliment, no complaint... Regarding your most recent update: Until we support EFI (UEFI?) GPT partitioning, FreeDOS only supports 2^32 sectors for FAT partitions on int13 disks in the kernel. However, it is possible that some driver (

[Freedos-user] UIDE Updates: NOT "Losing My Mind"!

Re: Rugxulo's FreeDOS front-page comment about "Another week, another UIDE update", I want to assure people that, despite now being age 68, I am NOT "losing my mind"! The 20-Aug-13 update was to provide "CD/DVD kiosk" users in Hong Kong (and elsewhere) a way to cache CD/DVD data without loading t

[Freedos-user] UIDE etc. (Apr. 30)

On April 30, Jack Ellis once again updated his UIDE etc. drivers. Changes: "UHDD/UDVD2 can now be run without XMS (at lower speed) for FreeDOS 'scripts' or for tests. UDVD2 can now do 'raw' (trackwriter) input. Other drivers unchanged (re-dated only)." You can grab binaries and sources at iBiblio (

Re: [Freedos-user] uide versus virtualbox versus ls120 - was: DISGUSTED With "Pundits"!!

Hi! (BCCing Jack and Mr. Lego) If I understand you correctly, you deliberately make incompatible for many VirtualBox users in order to fix it for a few users with LS120 drives with broken BIOS support? Can you give more details about the way in which the BIOS of Christian Pfaller fails to report

Re: [Freedos-user] uide versus audio cd versus udvd

The ability to rip audio cds has been built into the mpxplay dos audio player package for years. Given it now includes audio formats from .aif to .acc to m4a and mp4 and still allows for audio cd ripping, clearly many people care. Karen On Sun, 12 Aug 2012, Eric Auer wrote: > > Hi, short qu

[Freedos-user] uide versus audio cd versus udvd

Hi, short question about CD-DA: The UDVD driver saves a tiny amount of RAM by not supporting raw sector reads, so if you want to "rip" audio CD to audio files, you have to use UIDE, the more complete driver. My question is: Who does audio CD ripping in DOS at all? Depending on that, it might be w

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Diskette "Change Line Capability" Tests.

> Jack, Bret, VirtualBox users, >> A favorite tactic of "propagandists", be they Fascist/Nazi/Communist >> or others, is that they flatly IGNORE any information from opponents > At this point, you lost the discussion and many readers will > simply have skipped the rest of your mail, as explained

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Diskette "Change Line Capability" Tests.

Hallo Herr Jim Hall, am 25. Mai 2012 um 00:06 schrieben Sie: >>> Use UIDE/UIDE2 if you think they work. Otherwise, do not use them. >> >> The third choice is giving my "prosthetic" helper a try ;-) Users >> of VirtualBox and UIDE, but also of other systems including real >> hardware, are invited

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Diskette "Change Line Capability" Tests.

>> Use UIDE/UIDE2 if you think they work. Otherwise, do not use them. > > The third choice is giving my "prosthetic" helper a try ;-) Users > of VirtualBox and UIDE, but also of other systems including real > hardware, are invited to write me off-list, so I can send a copy > and receive feedback :-

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Diskette "Change Line Capability" Tests.

Jack, Bret, VirtualBox users, > A favorite tactic of "propagandists", be they Fascist/Nazi/Communist > or others, is that they flatly IGNORE any information from opponents At this point, you lost the discussion and many readers will simply have skipped the rest of your mail, as explained here:

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Diskette "Change Line Capability" Tests.

Bret, A favorite tactic of "propagandists", be they Fascist/Nazi/Communist or others, is that they flatly IGNORE any information from opponents and simply go on "spouting" their own ideas. In responding to the above thread, you have totally IGNORED all info I offered to begin with, and you cite,

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Diskette "Change Line Capability" Tests.

Jack: Are you more interested in actually getting your program to work, or in trying to prove that you're smarter than everybody else? Let's take this from the perspective of someone trying to write a BIOS. If I were trying to do that, I would do my due diligence and obtain as many references

[Freedos-user] UIDE Diskette "Change Line Capability" Tests.

Re: the thread on this forum about how to test if a diskette will support a "media change line", I offer the following: My system has an old 2007 single-CPU Biostar mainboard with a VIA 8237 controller (VIA has now just-about quit offering chipsets!). My BIOS is from Phoenix and is dated 11-Jan-20

[Freedos-user] UIDE Update Coming -- DISGUSTING Implications!!

A "Heads Up" (warning) message to all users of UIDE and UIDE2 -- Some time ago, I considered "Read-Ahead" for UIDE/UIDE2. But effective Read-Ahead requires knowing file sizes, to prevent reading too FAR ahead and losing time! File sizes demand DOS calls, and I want UIDE/UIDE2 to remain "gener

[Freedos-user] UIDE Drivers Updated, UIDE-S Eliminated!

Johnson Lam has posted a new 16-Oct-2011 DRIVERS.ZIP file on his website at . In it, UIDE has again been reduced down to a 7.5K-byte file, same as UIDE2, for "boot" diskettes and other systems having limited space.So, UIDE-S is no longer needed, and it

[Freedos-user] UIDE Drivers Updated, "New" UIDE2.

Johnson Lam has posted an updated 9-Sep-2011 DRIVERS.ZIP file, on his website at , which contains a "new" UIDE2, also updates to the other UIDE drivers. UIDE2 uses old-style "protected mode" caching, that was in UIDE until August, 2010. Try as I may, I simply cannot get the current all-XMS UIDE

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Performance -- Small Caches DO Work O.K.!

Hi, I cannot resist... in the following read my comments on caching and buffering. Even Windows XP (did not try nore recent versions yet) suffers from bad buffering when copying files from and to the same harddrive. It takes 10x to 100x time compared to copying from one drive to another one. I in

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Performance -- Small Caches DO Work O.K.!

Welcome back! Sent from my iPhone On 23/08/2011, at 23:50, Jack wrote: > > For years, I have told people to use as much cache as > possible with UIDE, to handle today's large files and > still "leave space in the cache" for DOS directories. > > Today, Tuesday 23-Aug-2011, I ran "experiments" us

[Freedos-user] UIDE Performance -- Small Caches DO Work O.K.!

For years, I have told people to use as much cache as possible with UIDE, to handle today's large files and still "leave space in the cache" for DOS directories. Today, Tuesday 23-Aug-2011, I ran "experiments" using a driver equal to UIDE-S, with a new 10-MB cache size of 1280 8K-byte data blocks

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE /E For VirtualBox Now "Officially" Released.

Op 28-7-2011 23:22, Rugxulo schreef: >> I am using the lastest UIDE (07-22-2011) wtih this options: >> C:\DEVLOAD\DEVLOAD /H C:\UIDE\UIDE.SYS /E /H /S:15 /D:MYCDROM >> Under VirtualBox, I am having the same problems when detecting the hard disk >> than the previous UIDE version. > > Blind guess, b

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE /E For VirtualBox Now "Officially" Released.

Hi, On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Santiago Almenara wrote: > > Is there any specific order for UIDE options? > > I am using the lastest UIDE (07-22-2011) wtih this options: > C:\DEVLOAD\DEVLOAD /H C:\UIDE\UIDE.SYS /E /H /S:15 /D:MYCDROM > Under VirtualBox, I am having the same problems when d

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE /E For VirtualBox Now "Officially" Released.

Jack, Is there any specific order for UIDE options? I am using the lastest UIDE (07-22-2011) wtih this options: C:\DEVLOAD\DEVLOAD /H C:\UIDE\UIDE.SYS /E /H /S:15 /D:MYCDROM Under VirtualBox, I am having the same problems when detecting the hard disk than the previous UIDE version. Thanks, Sa

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE /E For VirtualBox Now "Officially" Released.

THANKS, Jack! I've mirrored this release on ibiblio, and updated the software list. A news item should appear on the www.freedos.org site in about an hour. On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Jack wrote: > > As noted earlier by Rugxulo, Johnson Lam has now posted > the 22-Jul-2011 DRIVERS.ZIP fil

[Freedos-user] UIDE /E For VirtualBox Now "Officially" Released.

As noted earlier by Rugxulo, Johnson Lam has now posted the 22-Jul-2011 DRIVERS.ZIP file on his website at: http://johnson.tmfc.net/dos/driver.html Thus, the new UIDE and UIDE-S, with their /E "emulator" switch for use by VirtualBox, are "officially" released and users need not E-Mail me directl

[Freedos-user] UIDE vs drive power management spin down timers

Eric et al, Johnson Lam has done his usual QUICK posting of my latest UIDE/UIDEJR (since 2004 he has been THE BEST "partner" in my driver work!) in the 14-May-2011 DRIVERS.ZIP file, now available on his website at -- The 14-May-2011 UIDE and UIDEJR now

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE vs drive power management spin down timers

Eric, > I have not yet seen a desktop BIOS which implements this, alas [disk > spin-down timeouts, etc.]. I do have an adware DOS tool for it, > showing a splash screen for a BBS or similar when you run it and of > course bigger than needed, but free. Desktop BIOS routines are usually not-inter

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE vs drive power management spin down timers

Jack, >> There is not much to "do" there, as you only tell the disk once >> and then the disk itself does the rest. > > "Amen!", so let the user handle this thru the BIOS setup routines > and let the BIOS "tell the disk" what to do during system "boot"! > BIOS vendors have many more programmers

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE vs drive power management spin down timers

Eric, >> ... My problem is: I am not-interested in being "the one" who >> does power management. If DOS or the BIOS wants to save power >> thru putting disks into "stand-by" mode, let them do it... > > There is not much to "do" there, as you only tell the disk once > and then the disk itself d

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE vs drive power management spin down timers

Jack, > I read through and understood all your comments about hard-disk > power management, etc. > > My problem is: I am not-interested in being "the one" who does > power management. If DOS or the BIOS wants to save power thru > putting disks into "stand-by" mode, let them do it... There is

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE vs drive power management spin down timers

Eric, I read through and understood all your comments about hard-disk power management, etc. My problem is: I am not-interested in being "the one" who does power management. If DOS or the BIOS wants to save power thru putting disks into "stand-by" mode, let them do it. UIDE is a disk "I-O d

[Freedos-user] UIDE vs drive power management spin down timers

Jack, [others: this is a bit long/technical, the summary is that it is both easy and safe to use shallow drive power management.] > The problem is "WHERE" does UIDE or any other driver wait for > a sleeping, i.e. "stand-by" hard disk to awaken again?? The > ATA specs do not make this clear.

[Freedos-user] UIDE

I don't know whether the information below is of any value, but I'm reporting it anyway, just in case. I have been using UIDE for almost a year in one desktop and two notebooks, blissfully unaware that hard disks are not supposed to sleep. All three computers were set to spin down their disks. E

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE

Eric, > Of course DOS will freeze for a short moment when it has to > wait for a harddisk to spin up again, but as I never had a > bigger problem than that with power-saving in DOS without > UIDE, I would like to suggest the opposite of what the UIDE > readme.txt seems to say at the moment: > > C

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE

Hi Marcos, Jack, > Readme.Txt says "Power-saving features such as a 'drive > spin-down timeout' should be DISABLED". ... > Is that what I should disable? If so, does this mean that > the hard disk must keep running all the time if UIDE is used? Of course DOS will freeze for a sho

[Freedos-user] UIDE driver help

James, I am the author of the UIDE and UIDEJR drivers, and I will try to answer your questions. > I am trying to set up support for a cd/dvd drive on my freedos. > I am using vbox on a mac running freedos as my operating system. I assume your "vbox" responds the same as a true PC system. If i

[Freedos-user] UIDE

Hi Jack, Thanks :-) Marcos -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost

[Freedos-user] UIDE

Marcos, > I also have a couple of questions about UIDE. > > Question 1. > > Can we continue using the /PM switch with the new release of UIDE? You can, but it will be ignored! I deleted the "protected mode" logic from UIDE in 2010, as the "standard" UIDE using XMS caching became 96% as fast as

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE driver help

Op 12-5-2011 16:13, James Collins schreef: > I want to be able to use my cd/dvd drive on my MacBook pro laptop. I have the > drivers for UIDE. I have read the readme file, but it is very technical. I > could use some help loading the drivers. > > Do I have to edit my config.sys file? Do I put the

[Freedos-user] UIDE

Hi Jack Ellis and others, I also have a couple of questions about UIDE. Question 1. Can we continue using the /PM switch with the new release of UIDE? The reason I'm asking is that new README.TXT file does not mention it anymore (except in the Revision Summary). Question 2.

[Freedos-user] UIDE driver help

Hello, I am trying to set up support for a cd/dvd drive on my freedos. I am using vbox on a mac running freedos as my operating system. I want to be able to use my cd/dvd drive on my MacBook pro laptop. I have the drivers for UIDE. I have read the readme file, but it is very technical. I coul

[Freedos-user] UIDE/UIDEJR (May 10)

Jack Ellis released a new update for UIDE/UIDEJR on 10 May 2011. Website: http://johnson.tmfc.net/dos/driver.html Changes: (see below) "UIDEJR sizes minimized! "CD/DVD only" UIDEJR in HMA space (/N1 /H switches) takes 176 upper-memory bytes, directly replaces "old" XCDROM/GCDROM drivers! UIDEJR

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Question.

japhethx gmail wrote: >> In my previous UIDE comments the word "P-R-E-S-E-N-T" >> was truncated by whatever forum software is in use to >> the word "S-E-N-T"!! > > No problem here. There are 3 occurances of "sent" in your first post, and all > threee have a nice "pre" prefix. Same here in Thund

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Question.

> In my previous UIDE comments the word "P-R-E-S-E-N-T" > was truncated by whatever forum software is in use to > the word "S-E-N-T"!! No problem here. There are 3 occurances of "sent" in your first post, and all threee have a nice "pre" prefix. --

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Question.

Hi! eheheh :) relax Jack, nice shot regarding uide :) once english is my second language, my english is definitely far worse than your :) Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Geraldo Non dvcor, dvco => Sapere Aude São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.net/ github: http://github.com/geraldonett

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Question.

In my previous UIDE comments the word "P-R-E-S-E-N-T" was truncated by whatever forum software is in use to the word "S-E-N-T"!! I have NEVER seen such a thing occur in E-Mail or forums before! Please understand that what seems to be "S-E-N-T" should be read as the words "At p-r-e-s-e-n-t". S

[Freedos-user] UIDE Question.

"Maybeway36" and Geraldo -- I am the writer of UIDE. To answer your "confusion" about the UIDE driver, the following may be of help -- UIDE is meant to be a "Universal IDE" driver for hard-disk and CD/DVD drives. It enables UltraDMA logic for SATA or IDE disks and CDs/DVDs, which some older B

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE question

Hi! I didn't know that, oops btw, what is up with FD 1.1? i still busy(oops, my thesis got rejected here) but of course, as soon as i can, i'll contribute See Ya! Geraldo Non dvcor, dvco => Sapere Aude São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.net/ github: http://github.com/geraldonetto msn

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE question

Op 26-2-2010 22:17, Geraldo Netto schreef: > Hi maybeway36, > > Uide is different from lbacache/cdrcache > Uide enables ultra dma[1] modes for harddisks > while lbacache/cdrcache do cache for harddisks/cdrom > Geraldo, by default UIDE includes caching for diskettes, harddisks on controllers an

Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE question

Hi maybeway36, Uide is different from lbacache/cdrcache Uide enables ultra dma[1] modes for harddisks while lbacache/cdrcache do cache for harddisks/cdrom [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA See Ya, Geraldo Non dvcor, dvco => Sapere Aude São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.

[Freedos-user] UIDE question

With UIDE (http://johnson.tmfc.net/dos/driver.html), do I need LBACACHE and CDRCACHE anymore, or does UIDE server their functions as well? -maybeway36 -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for y