Hello,
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 17:19, Frantisek Rysanek
wrote:
> Built-in fonts are obviously an option, there's always some plain
> ASCII built in, and I believe in the old DOS era there used to be...
> programs that you ran before printing your jobs, that would
> pre-upload font sets or nationa
Thanks again, Frank:
Basically I'd say you're all set to try and load the DOS network
stack, and see if that works
I take it that means entering "start", in either MSNET OR PKTDRV.
:-) Again there are two alternative
flavours of the DOS TCP/IP stack, one tastes of Microsoft, the other
one o
On 15 May 2021 at 13:56, Eric Auer wrote:
>
> Hi Bryan & Frank,
>
> > As you had suggested, on the FreeDOS PC, in C:\MSNET\ I entered "start".
> > Then I could ping from that PC to my printer, Ubuntu PC and Ubuntu laptop.
>
> Cool! Thanks for creating the network zip :-) What is
> in that start
On 15 May 2021 at 10:40, Ralf Quint wrote:
>
> On 5/15/2021 4:56 AM, Eric Auer wrote:
> >
> >> I had worried that the DOS machine on my network, would
> >> give easy access from the Internet for gremlins!
> > Because DOS normally does not run any servers, there is
> > not much which the gremlins co
On 5/15/2021 4:56 AM, Eric Auer wrote:
I had worried that the DOS machine on my network, would
give easy access from the Internet for gremlins!
Because DOS normally does not run any servers, there is
not much which the gremlins could access. So it depends
on which servers you manually start on
Eric:
As you had suggested, on the FreeDOS PC, in C:\MSNET\ I entered "start".
Then I could ping from that PC to my printer, Ubuntu PC and Ubuntu laptop.
Cool! Thanks for creating the network zip :-) What is
in that start bat file and which packages with which
licenses are required to make thi
Hi Bryan & Frank,
> As you had suggested, on the FreeDOS PC, in C:\MSNET\ I entered "start".
> Then I could ping from that PC to my printer, Ubuntu PC and Ubuntu laptop.
Cool! Thanks for creating the network zip :-) What is
in that start bat file and which packages with which
licenses are requi
Thanks again, Frank:
As I've already written, I myself have investigated the dark rabbit
hole of MS-DOS networking for you:
http://frantisek.rysanek.sweb.cz/FD_NET.zip
Unzip the three directories to your DOS hard drive, take a look at
the config.sys suggested, and see if you can get your DOS box
Thanks, Eric:
Which changes have
you applied to load the network things?
Upon Frank's following package, I used Ubuntu's Archive Manager to
extract the contents. Then I used a USB stick to transfer the
directories to my FreeDOS PC. So in the latter's C: directory, are
MSNET, MTCPAPPS, and P
Dear Bryan,
> My FreeDOS PC's FDCONFIG.SYS file now says this.
> Should I put `!' before the BREAK and STACKS statements?
That is not necessary. Actually I find it a bit odd that
the default config used ! so frequently. Tastes differ :-)
Eric
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Oops. I've goofed up by running the last message throught the list.
Already. For more than one reason, and going off topic being the
least important. Apologies. Such an example of bad taste on my part.
I should know better. I'll keep the possible networking follow-ups in
private messages.
Fran
Bryan thanks for your progress reports :-)
Nice to see how you have cartographed your local network, and that
you're showing quite a bit of understanding.
Your existing autoexec looks pretty harmless to me.
I don't have any demands on what to put in there, that's why I didn't
provide an example.
Further, Eric:
I assume you have already added things from the FD_NET
autoexec to your existing autoexec?
Frank's package at this address--doesn't contain "autoexec"!
http://frantisek.rysanek.sweb.cz/FD_NET.zip
Whereas my FreeDOS PC's C: directory has an AUTOEXEC.BAT file. It
contains this.
Dear Eric:
feel free to notify the bootablecd.de maintainer that you
would prefer less contrast for the Blinky mascot background
to distract visitors less from reading the text on the page.
Yes, I've sent an e-mail request there.
Indeed ! marks
a line as "always use" while ? marks it as "ask
Dear Bryan,
feel free to notify the bootablecd.de maintainer that you
would prefer less contrast for the Blinky mascot background
to distract visitors less from reading the text on the page.
> My FreeDOS PC's FDCONFIG.SYS file contents follow.
That seems to be one of the default versions. Inde
Dear Frank:
As I've already written, I myself have investigated the dark rabbit
hole of MS-DOS networking for you:
http://frantisek.rysanek.sweb.cz/FD_NET.zip
Unzip the three directories to your DOS hard drive, take a look at
the config.sys suggested, and see if you can get your DOS box to take
On 2 May 2021 at 10:24, Bryan Kilgallin wrote:
> So, Frank:
>
> > Install Samba on your Linux PC. It may take a wee bit of learning to
> > configure, but it does not bite back. I can help with snippets of
> > config to make it accept ancient DOS clients.
> >
> > Install the Microsoft Network Cli
Thanks, Robert:
If there's no problem of shelf space, get a used HP LaserJet 4 printer
on eBay.
I've made such an inquiry of the charity from which I got my refurbished
(Linux PC) and laptop.
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I wrote:
My main workhorse is a Dell OptiPlex GX270 running Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS.
That is incorrect. My Linux PC is a Dell XPS 8300.
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Thanks, Frank:
Bryan says he's got a Linux computer.
My main workhorse is a Dell OptiPlex GX270 running Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS. I
also have networked a Lenovo Thinkpad L430, also running Ubuntu.
A printer that natively understand PCL3 ... will commonly understand plain text.
I'll ask around f
Hi Bryan,
>> Without any additional software,
>> a printer being used from DOS needs to be able to receive plain text,
>> with additional capabilities either through the industry standard ESC/P
>> (developed by Epson, who was for a long time the leader in printers
>> before laser printers star
G'day Robert:
I vaguely remember using ps2pdf in plain DOS 15 years ago.
All is more complex now!
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Thanks, Ralf:
Without any additional software,
a printer being used from DOS needs to be able to receive plain text,
with additional capabilities either through the industry standard ESC/P
(developed by Epson, who was for a long time the leader in printers
before laser printers started to sho
Hi Eric,
> PS: We have GhostScript for PostScript processing and
> our "print screen hotkey" TSR exist for HP PCL, ESC/P
> and PostScript output. We have PDF viewers and it might
> be possible to use GhostScript to create PDF? Not sure.
> Some text editors also have built-in output converters.
I
Thanks, Adam:
It's worse than that. I've tried to get many different printers
working under Linux (which generally has pretty good hardware support)
and it turns out that a lot of manufacturers cut corners on their
devices and don't support standard print protocols like PostScript or
PCL, and i
You are right, Eric:
That would of course be the EASIEST option as long as your PC
and your printer both still have Centronics connectivity
The PC does, but the printer doesn't. Hm, I found the following.
{USB to Parallel Bi-Directional Cable
USB to Parallel Bi-Directional Cable
USB to
G'day Bryan,
>> That would of course be the EASIEST option as long as your PC
>> and your printer both still have Centronics connectivity
>
> The PC does, but the printer doesn't. Hm, I found the following.
> {USB to Parallel Bi-Directional Cable
>
> USB to Parallel Bi-Directional Cable
Thanks, Frank:
Epson dot matrix printers (ESC*P language) were perfectly willing to
print individual characters, a line at a time I guess. They were
(are) line printers and the ESC*P "language" is little more than an
"extension" of raw ASCII + control characters (CR, LF, FF etc)
by "escape seque
G'day Eric:
Not sure which network chip your PC has?
networkNetLink BCM57788 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe
That would of course be the EASIEST option as long as your PC
and your printer both still have Centronics connectivity
The PC does, but the printer doesn't. Hm, I found the following.
So, Frank:
Install Samba on your Linux PC. It may take a wee bit of learning to
configure, but it does not bite back. I can help with snippets of
config to make it accept ancient DOS clients.
Install the Microsoft Network Client for MS-DOS. You can install this
from scratch, or you can try usin
On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:23 AM Eric Auer wrote:
> >> I have just connected my Brother HL-3150CDN laser printer to my Dell>>
> >> OptiPlex GX270.
> > I used the FreeDOS "print" command, unembellished.
>
> That is only needed for background printing. A more straightforward
> way is to send the p
Thanks, Eric:
And actually
it could work better to use the NETWORK for printing, because DOS
(wired LAN) network drivers are more evolved than DOS USB drivers
and you can use DOS versions of NETCAT or other tools to copy the
contents you want to print to the IP and port of your printer as
hopefu
G'day Thomas:
Regarding printing I think there are two basic concepts:
Using fonts from the printer (I call this „generic“, but maybe this is
my private lingo)
or using graphics from the computer.
I hadn't got so much as a grunt out of the printer, from my FreeDOS PC!
I
wonder if you attem
Thanks, Frank, for the long reply:
But, yours is a different problem: your printer does not even have
LPT "input".
It has USB and Ethernet. At the moment, I have just the latter wired to
my router.
Technically, a USB printer shows up on the USB bus as a "USB LPT
device", or "USBLP".
How
I've only a few things to add to this discussion about printing in USB -- most
everything has already been said. But, I will summarize. USB support in the
BIOS (for computers that even still have a BIOS) is usually limited to some
subset of mouse, keyboard, and/or mass storage (disk drives). S
On 21 Apr 2021 at 19:46, Bryan Kilgallin wrote:
> Eek, Frank:
>
> > oh that's right. Suppose that you have good support in the BIOS for
> > your USB keyboard, USB mouse and USB mass storage.
>
> Yes, I have a KVM switch driving both a keyboard and mouse from the
> DOS PC!
>
> > Then you install
Eek, Frank:
oh that's right. Suppose that you have good support in the BIOS for
your USB keyboard, USB mouse and USB mass storage.
Yes, I have a KVM switch driving both a keyboard and mouse from the DOS PC!
Then you install
the USB LPT driver by Bret Johnson, which takes over the whole UHCI,
So, Frank:
...just to follow up on what others have said, Bryan's printer is too
old to support PDF, but it is a pretty decent color laser apparently,
likely supports PCL5 in "HP emulation" mode, and something called
"BR-script (PostScript layer 3 emulation)" which I hope gets rendered
in the pr
On 20 Apr 2021 at 10:41, Ralf Quint wrote:
> dreaded (from the viewpoint of operability in DOS) USB connected
> printers. Finding USB drivers, given that the printer is software
> compatible with DOS as mentioned above, will likely be an exercise in
> futility. If someone has a surefire way of doi
On 20 Apr 2021 at 10:49, Ralf Quint wrote:
> If you are talking laser printers, then that might exclude printers
> that are Postscript only, as they require some software on the
> computer side to translate plain text into a Postscript data stream
> that the printer understands. Not such a big de
On 4/20/2021 8:24 AM, Adam Nielsen via Freedos-user wrote:
I believe you have to install DOS USB drivers first.
It's worse than that. I've tried to get many different printers
working under Linux (which generally has pretty good hardware support)
and it turns out that a lot of manufacturers cut
On 4/20/2021 7:59 AM, Thomas Desi wrote:
If using a USB keyboard (and USB mouse), there is the problem that
when starting the USB driver (USBUHCI from Bret Johnsons USButils
collection), the Keyboard stops working. So you can’t start the
keyboard driver next, which seems should done to get so
On 21 Apr 2021 at 0:00, Bryan Kilgallin wrote:
> I had transferred data from my DOS PC to my Linux PC via a USB-2
> stick. But I thought that I might do something as simple as printing
> text, directly from the DOS machine.
>
So there's another solution, one I already hinted at:
Install Samba on
Hi, Bryan,
because I am fiddling with similar questions.
(Can’t compete anywhere near to the proficient replies of Eric and Frantisek
though!)
If using a USB keyboard (and USB mouse), there is the problem that when
starting the USB driver (USBUHCI from Bret Johnsons USButils collection), the
K
Hi Thomas,
> If using a USB keyboard (and USB mouse), there is the problem that
> when starting the USB driver (USBUHCI from Bret Johnsons USButils
> collection), the Keyboard stops working. So you can’t start the
> keyboard driver next, which seems should done to get somewhere.
The trick would
...just to follow up on what others have said, Bryan's printer is too
old to support PDF, but it is a pretty decent color laser apparently,
likely supports PCL5 in "HP emulation" mode, and something called
"BR-script (PostScript layer 3 emulation)" which I hope gets rendered
in the printer too,
> I believe you have to install DOS USB drivers first.
It's worse than that. I've tried to get many different printers
working under Linux (which generally has pretty good hardware support)
and it turns out that a lot of manufacturers cut corners on their
devices and don't support standard print
On 20 Apr 2021 at 16:59, Thomas Desi wrote:
> Regarding printing I think there are two basic concepts:
> Using fonts from the printer (I call this "generic", but maybe this
> is my private lingo) or using graphics from the computer.
> As I am only interested in printing out pure text (A-Z, 1-0
On 20 Apr 2021 at 16:21, Eric Auer wrote:
>
> Hi Bryan,
>
> I believe you have to install DOS USB drivers first. And actually it
> could work better to use the NETWORK for printing, because DOS (wired
> LAN) network drivers are more evolved than DOS USB drivers and you can
> use DOS versions of N
Dear Mr. Kilgallin,
your request is less obvious than may have initially seemd to you.
DOS knows an OS-level "device" called LPT1. And, most software for
DOS that needs to print, can use this software-level LPT1 device
(using a DOS service to print).
DOS and BIOS work together to forward data
Hi Bryan,
I believe you have to install DOS USB drivers first. And actually
it could work better to use the NETWORK for printing, because DOS
(wired LAN) network drivers are more evolved than DOS USB drivers
and you can use DOS versions of NETCAT or other tools to copy the
contents you want to pr
I had transferred data from my DOS PC to my Linux PC via a USB-2 stick.
But I thought that I might do something as simple as printing text,
directly from the DOS machine.
I wrote:
I have just connected my Brother HL-3150CDN laser printer to my Dell
OptiPlex GX270.
My printer usually receive
I have just connected my Brother HL-3150CDN laser printer to my Dell
OptiPlex GX270. I made a test text document, and I tried just to print
it. That didn't work, but I noticed the following advice:
"Device to direct Print [PRN=0]".
What do I need to do?
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