Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2021-02-19 Thread Robert Riebisch
>>> googling "Andreas Bauer", first hit: >>> https://www.bauer-kirch.de/kontakt/details/andreas-bauer/ >>> >>> which is about as plausible author as it goes. >> >> At least, it's a trace. We'll see. :-) >> >>> has anybody tried to contact him? >> >> I'll do so now. > > Got a reply today. Wrong

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-24 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Hi Eric: My impression is that there would be FULL and EXTRA sized ISOs, with "only online / on ibiblio" as being the third level of escalation. If my bird bath is full, and I add extra water to it, then it will overflow! I tend to drop VIM as the largest - ELVIS still remains. I like Vim!

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-21 Thread Robert Riebisch
>> googling "Andreas Bauer", first hit: >> https://www.bauer-kirch.de/kontakt/details/andreas-bauer/ >> >> which is about as plausible author as it goes. > > At least, it's a trace. We'll see. :-) > >> has anybody tried to contact him? > > I'll do so now. Got a reply today. Wrong Andreas. Wil

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-19 Thread Robert Riebisch
Hi Tom, > googling TPPATCH easily leads to > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/latest/devel/tppatch.zip Correct. > looking into this, IMO Andreas Bauer just throws this at the world > with a 'here it is. do with it whatever you want, but of course there > are n

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-19 Thread tom ehlert
>> TPPATCH is both small and really useful (runtime error fixer for >> Borland compiled binaries which crash on too fast CPU, I believe?) > But its license is unclear, because so far we didn't find a way to > contact the author Andreas Bauer. googling TPPATCH easily leads to http://www.ibiblio.

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-19 Thread Robert Riebisch
Hi Eric, > I would strip DJGPP-on-ISO to the minimal C, maybe C++ infrastructure > (not sure what BN, BS, DB, FQ, FX, GC, GP, MK, OB, RH, TX are, would >From "FD13LIVE.ISO\PACKAGES\DEVEL\INDEX.LST": djgpp_bn2.21.1 DJGPP binutils: linker, assembler, etc... 65b9df0a djgpp_bs2

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-19 Thread Robert Riebisch
Hi Mateusz, >> In my scheme the system would only have two ISOs: the basic, >>and >>a TBD "extras". > > Myself I do not have a very fast internet connectivity. When I download DOS, > I prefer to download the strict minimum (MSDOS equivalent, ca 5MiB) and then > fetch the 2 or 3 extra things I

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-19 Thread Jerome Shidel
HI Eric, By no means is anything final yet. And of course, it all comes down to what Jim decides. > On Dec 18, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Eric Auer wrote: > > > Hi Jerome! > > I know that this will often change, but which > sizes (roughly) do you have in mind for: > >> RELEASE DISC — contains BASE

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-18 Thread Mateusz Viste
On December 18, 2020 9:01:09 PM GMT+01:00, Ray Davison wrote: > In my scheme the system would only have two ISOs: the basic, >and >a TBD "extras". Myself I do not have a very fast internet connectivity. When I download DOS, I prefer to download the strict minimum (MSDOS equivalent, ca 5MiB

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-18 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Jerome! I know that this will often change, but which sizes (roughly) do you have in mind for: > RELEASE DISC — contains BASE & FULL install > BONUS DISC — contains Extras > LiveCD — (LiveCD pre-installed packages AND can install base/full) It is interesting that there will be no BASE-only C

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-18 Thread Jerome Shidel
Hi Ray, > On Dec 18, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Ray Davison wrote: > > Jerome Shidel wrote: > >> To create a custom CD for each user who downloads FreeDOS is not practical. > > Where in all this discussion did anyone suggest "a custom CD for each user”? I misunderstood what you meant in your previo

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-18 Thread Ray Davison
Jerome Shidel wrote: To create a custom CD for each user who downloads FreeDOS is not practical. Where in all this discussion did anyone suggest "a custom CD for each user"? In my scheme the system would only have two ISOs: the basic, and a TBD "extras". The user would create his own custo

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-18 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Hi Jerome: I’m confused… Thanks for your funny response! pandoc — Document Markup Language Format Conversion Utility. manuskript — A novel writing tool for authors. What are you trying to accomplish? I am polishing a memoir. Manuskript refers to pandoc compilation options. But trying to

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-18 Thread Jerome Shidel
Hi Bryan, > On Dec 17, 2020, at 6:58 PM, Bryan Kilgallin wrote: > > Hi Jerome: > >> Hopefully, I can clarify the directions. >> Possibly update the page as well. >> What part do you not understand? > > Yesterday I tried to get pandoc working with manuskript. But I soon gave up. > Deeming the

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-17 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Hi Jerome: Hopefully, I can clarify the directions. Possibly update the page as well. What part do you not understand? Yesterday I tried to get pandoc working with manuskript. But I soon gave up. Deeming the feature too hard! Lots of choices requiring research, [sigh] would inspire anxiety

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-17 Thread Jerome Shidel
Hi Bryan, > On Dec 16, 2020, at 11:16 PM, Bryan Kilgallin wrote: > > Thanks, Ray: > >> Take a survey. How many want to make or modify DOS apps. > > I have trouble just following instructions. Hopefully, I can clarify the directions. Possibly update the page as well. What part do you not un

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-17 Thread Jerome Shidel
Hi Ray, > On Dec 16, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Ray Davison wrote: > So what you call "basic" would be one ISO. Then a blivet ISO of anything you > want to put on it, but no sources or programming apps. Take a survey. How > many want to make or modify DOS apps. If I understand what you meant, it is

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-16 Thread Regan Russell
I want to make applications om everything including DOS with Watcom C/C++ but to be honest who has the time... From: Bryan Kilgallin Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2020 3:16 PM To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-16 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Thanks, Ray: Take a survey.  How many want to make or modify DOS apps. I have trouble just following instructions! -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/li

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-16 Thread Ray Davison
Jim Hall wrote: What do you think? I see two disks and an archive. My primary word processor and accounting programs are DOS. Yes I have "modern" versions for those functions, but I do not consider them to be improvements. It is extra work to chase stuff around a screen. So what you cal

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-16 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Yes, ZB: I dare to estimate that more than 90% of DOS - or any other OS - users don't need any sources. Maybe even I should say: "more than 99%". Sources should be available separately - they are nothing but "placeholder" otherwise. I have no use for source-code of software that makes DOS hap

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-14 Thread ZB
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 09:14:44AM +0100, Mateusz Viste wrote: > On 14/12/2020 01:22, ZB wrote: > > I think before taking such decision it would be worthy to browse the list > > again, but after doing "sort by size desc" first. Because the bigger the > > file the more closely it's worthy to look a

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-14 Thread Mateusz Viste
On 14/12/2020 01:22, ZB wrote: I think before taking such decision it would be worthy to browse the list again, but after doing "sort by size desc" first. Because the bigger the file the more closely it's worthy to look at it This leads to a situations where software is becoming less likely to

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-13 Thread Mateusz Viste
>Gopherus, >> but it's "retro" and not too big (2MB) so I have no problems keeping >it. > >That is larger than expected - make Gopherus EXTRA / ONLINE? The (old, 1.1) 32 bit version was about 400 KiB, zipped. The newer (1.2+) 16 bit version is under 100 KiB zipped. Mateusz On December 14,

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-13 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Jim, > Let me know your thoughts! Sure! > And a reminder that "To drop" only means "not included in the FreeDOS > distribution." We will still have them available in the FreeDOS archive My impression is that there would be FULL and EXTRA sized ISOs, with "only online / on ibiblio" as being

Re: [Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-13 Thread ZB
On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 06:05:08PM -0600, Jim Hall wrote: > What do you think? I think before taking such decision it would be worthy to browse the list again, but after doing "sort by size desc" first. Because the bigger the file the more closely it's worthy to look at it "is there a common need

[Freedos-user] Package discussion

2020-12-13 Thread Jim Hall
Following up from our discussion last time about packages (the "Simplifying FreeDOS" discussion from late October / early November), and from Jerome's package survey (still in progress) and from today's virtual get-together, I wanted to share current thoughts/proposals about the packages for the Fr