Hi!
On Mar 27 2020 04:57, Rugxulo wrote:
> XP is dead as a doornail (since 2014), so is even Win7 nowadays. No
> more security fixes. Those old cpus (and even modern ones) all have
> vulnerabilities and various software workarounds, plus microcode
> updates, which each have different costs (slowdo
On Mar 27 2020 04:49, Rugxulo wrote:
> Niklaus Wirth wrote "A Plea for Lean Software" back in 1995. He
> obviously was referring to his [quasi open source] OberonOS with
> compiler and tools. I don't think most people took his advice. He has
> had a lot of good ideas over the years, but as even he
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 7:56 AM Mateusz Viste wrote:
>
> On 25/03/2020 12:28, userbeit...@abwesend.de wrote:
> > Afaik there is no Linux that will run with only 8 MB of RAM.
>
> Extract from the Debian Buzz FAQ:
>
> "Debian Linux can be installed on systems with only 4 MBytes of RAM.
> (...)
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 6:43 AM wrote:
>
> The fun fact: Windows XP SP2 on this 2007-machine with 4 GB RAM and HDD
> is up and running as fast as Windows 10 or Linux on my 2018 Ryzen with
> 32 GB RAM and SSD!
XP is dead as a doornail (since 2014), so is even Win7 nowadays. No
more security f
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 6:43 AM wrote:
>
> Afaik there is no Linux that will run with only 8 MB of RAM.
Linux started in 1991 on a 386 with 2 MB of RAM. Granted, newer
releases need a tad more. ;-)
While outdated (and I'm no expert), for future reference, here's some
lightweight Linux dist
On Mar 25 2020 18:21, andrew fabbro wrote:
> Of course, you're comparing a 20-year-old distro with a 30-year-old
> "distro" of DOS :-)
>
> You get more functionality in a mid-90s Linux than a late-80s DOS.
Actually, DOS had a lot to offer. On such a machine it was quite fast,
compared to a Unix s
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 6:08 AM ZB wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 01:50:42PM +0100, Mateusz Viste wrote:
>
> > On 25/03/2020 12:28, userbeit...@abwesend.de wrote:
> > > Afaik there is no Linux that will run with only 8 MB of RAM.
> >
> > Extract from the Debian Buzz FAQ:
> >
> > "Debian Linux c
On 25/03/2020 14:07, ZB wrote:
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 01:50:42PM +0100, Mateusz Viste wrote:
On 25/03/2020 12:28, userbeit...@abwesend.de wrote:
Afaik there is no Linux that will run with only 8 MB of RAM.
Extract from the Debian Buzz FAQ:
"Debian Linux can be installed on systems with onl
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 01:50:42PM +0100, Mateusz Viste wrote:
> On 25/03/2020 12:28, userbeit...@abwesend.de wrote:
> > Afaik there is no Linux that will run with only 8 MB of RAM.
>
> Extract from the Debian Buzz FAQ:
>
> "Debian Linux can be installed on systems with only 4 MBytes of RAM. (..
On 25/03/2020 12:28, userbeit...@abwesend.de wrote:
Afaik there is no Linux that will run with only 8 MB of RAM.
Extract from the Debian Buzz FAQ:
"Debian Linux can be installed on systems with only 4 MBytes of RAM.
(...) An 80386-based system with only 4 MBytes of RAM and 40 MBytes disk
spa
On Mar 25 2020 01:36, Rugxulo wrote:
> I heard that XP was designed to get to the desktop in 30 secs. Not
> necessarily responsive nor able to be used just yet, but at least it
> would show up (in optimal conditions). Of course, that was P3/P4
> (single core) era.
>
> Of course, nowadays we have SS
Hi!
On Mar 25 2020 at 01:28, andrew fabbro wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:52 PM wrote:
>
>> Just a thought, some of us have old computers that we want to run freedos
>> on. Running Linux on a Pentium 4 and trying to run Dosbox on top of that is
>> going to be pretty have for that machine. Som
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Robert Riebisch wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> > Mind - although I still have both 430CDS' in storage for uncompleted
> > project updates, I had to wave the white flag on productively using Puppy
> > for kids use, on those particular specs. What worked best in it was
Hi Andrew,
> Mind - although I still have both 430CDS' in storage for uncompleted project
> updates, I had to wave the white flag on productively using Puppy for kids
> use, on those particular specs. What worked best in it was a 2GB sd-card with
> FreeDOS 1.1 configured to boot up Ronald Blank
I spent two years in Papua New Guinea in the mid 1980s using (and developing
on and for) an Altos 8000-10 using MP/M II. Mostly CB-80 with bits of
assembler. Interesting/fun times.
> Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.
Totally agree with that.
Bruce.
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dmccunney composed on 2020-03-24 15:53 (UTC-0400):
> Felix Miata wrote:
>> I ran a 286 Altos Xenix multiuser in 1988 just fine, Unix-y enough I
>> couldn't tell
>> any difference from SysV.
> With what sort of hardware?
Based on the descriptions on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altos_Computer
dmccunney composed on 2020-03-24 21:59 (UTC-0400):
> SeaMonkey 2.X couldn't be built static.
Please reconcile this statement with the Mozilla folk's representation that
every
binary app downloadable from mozilla.org, including all SeaMonkey versions, is
static built.
--
Evolution as taught in pu
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:37 PM Rugxulo wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:31 PM dmccunney wrote:
> >
> > The person who passed it on said [Transmeta Crusoe] was "Slow, slow, SLOW".
> > No surprise - it came with WindowsXP SP2, and took *8* minutes to simply
> > *boot*, and a lot more to do anyt
On 3/24/2020 12:53 PM, dmccunney wrote:
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:48 PM Felix Miata wrote:
I ran a 286 Altos Xenix multiuser in 1988 just fine, Unix-y enough I
couldn't tell
any difference from SysV.
With what sort of hardware?
Xenix, if memory serves, began based on Unix System III and was
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:52 PM wrote:
> Just a thought, some of us have old computers that we want to run freedos
> on. Running Linux on a Pentium 4 and trying to run Dosbox on top of that is
> going to be pretty have for that machine. Some people aren't grabbing a
> multi core modern computer w
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:31 PM dmccunney wrote:
>
> The person who passed it on said [Transmeta Crusoe] was "Slow, slow, SLOW".
> No surprise - it came with WindowsXP SP2, and took *** minutes to simply
> *boot*, and a lot more to do anything once up.
I heard that XP was designed to get to
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, at 3:30 AM, dmccunney wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:52 PM wrote:
> >
> >... Puppy Linux is designed for older, less powerful hardware. (A poster
> on the Puppy forums described creating a dedicated media server based
> on Puppy that ran on an ancient Toshiba laptop w
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 1:48 PM Felix Miata wrote:
> dmccunney composed on 2020-03-24 13:30 (UTC-0400):
> > mich...@robinson-west.com wrote:
>
> >> Linux won't run on a 286 or XT by the way.
>
> > *Unix* didn't run on a 286. There were a couple of attempts
> > (including one from AT&T) that died
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, Felix Miata wrote:
dmccunney composed on 2020-03-24 13:30 (UTC-0400):
mich...@robinson-west.com wrote:
Linux won't run on a 286 or XT by the way.
*Unix* didn't run on a 286. There were a couple of attempts
(including one from AT&T) that died horribly due to lack of
dmccunney composed on 2020-03-24 13:30 (UTC-0400):
> mich...@robinson-west.com wrote:
>> Linux won't run on a 286 or XT by the way.
> *Unix* didn't run on a 286. There were a couple of attempts
> (including one from AT&T) that died horribly due to lack of HW memory
> management. It only becam
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:52 PM wrote:
>
> Just a thought, some of us have old computers that we want to run freedos on.
> Running Linux on a Pentium 4 and trying to run Dosbox on top of that is going
> to be pretty have for that machine.
I run an Android port of DOSbox on an older and less po
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:52 PM wrote:
>
> Just a thought, some of us have old computers that we want to run freedos on.
> Running Linux on a Pentium 4 and trying to run Dosbox on top of that is going
> to be pretty have for that machine.
Obviously, but my own Pentium 4 from 2002 (mostly) d
Just a thought, some of us have old computers that we want to run freedos on.
Running Linux on a Pentium 4 and trying to run Dosbox on top of that is going
to be pretty have for that machine. Some people aren't grabbing a multi core
modern computer when they use freedos. Some of us want to use o
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