Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos? - Karen versus Liam

2021-06-25 Thread Andrew Robins
Dear Karen, there have been many instances in the past where able-bodied and differently-enabled experts have worked together in the FreeDOS threads for a common good. I am distressed to have witnessed the escalating discord between two of such proponents. I too have experienced "acquired disabi

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Dear Karen: we shall see what I can and cannot do legally. Roping in the world, is a fool's errand. Just raise awareness of human factors in design. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos? - Karen versus Liam

2021-06-25 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Dear Karen: Liam could have made his point about reactions to Linux issues, without using my name, or  making statements about my motivations. Distraction can relieve stress. That he chose to do so, in spite of my statements  to the contrary, and that  he dismissed details after the fact spe

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Hi Liam: I am not interested into entering into debates about your medical claims. Tech includes human factors. I do not live in your country and never have, so I doubt you could sue me if I had said anything actionable, which I have not. This is a mailing list. It cannot be edited. What is

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Thanks, Karen, for the detailed explanation: Most folk aren't disabled. Then they can't understand it. Please write a guide for software folk. As disability is weakly known. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-us

[Freedos-user] Sharing the FreeDOS articles from this week

2021-06-25 Thread Jim Hall
In case you're not following the FreeDOS article series on Opensource.com, I wanted to share a summary of this week's articles: BASIC programming with GW-BASIC https://opensource.com/article/21/6/freedos-gw-basic Using Freemacs https://opensource.com/article/21/6/freemacs BASIC programming with

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos? - Karen versus Liam

2021-06-25 Thread Dave Stevens
On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 12:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Karen Lewellen wrote: > Eric, > Liam could have made his point about reactions to Linux issues, > without using my name, or making statements about my motivations. is there some reason why this can't be taken off-list? d __

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos? - Karen versus Liam

2021-06-25 Thread Jim Hall
I am copying/pasting my comment from the original thread, so it is also seen here: I need to remind everyone of the list rules, linked on https://www.freedos.org/forums/ and that point to http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freedos/lists/remind.txt >We have only a few rules for posting to the FreeDOS

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Jim Hall
I need to remind everyone of the list rules, linked on https://www.freedos.org/forums/ and that point to http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freedos/lists/remind.txt >We have only a few rules for posting to the FreeDOS mailing lists: > >1. NO HATE SPEECH OR BULLYING >[..] > >2. NO PROMOTIONS OR SPAM >[

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos? - Karen versus Liam

2021-06-25 Thread Karen Lewellen
Eric, Liam could have made his point about reactions to Linux issues, without using my name, or making statements about my motivations. That he chose to do so, in spite of my statements to the contrary, and that he dismissed details after the fact speaks of slander, perhaps even intention in

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos? - Karen versus Liam

2021-06-25 Thread Michael Powell
'Culture' at large really is knocking on the door of pravda+izvestia. That's my 'suffering' through this thread... On Fri, Jun 25, 2021 at 11:39 AM Eric Auer wrote: > > Karen, Jim, > > threatening legal actions against people who misunderstand > your suffering is not appropriate. At all. It make

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos? - Karen versus Liam

2021-06-25 Thread Eric Auer
Karen, Jim, threatening legal actions against people who misunderstand your suffering is not appropriate. At all. It makes me sad that getting computers to cooperate with you is so hard, and I am sorry for making bad or stupid suggestions in that context, but none of us is engaging in "slander".

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread geneb
On Fri, 25 Jun 2021, Karen Lewellen wrote: we shall see what I can and cannot do legally. Karen's gonna Karen I guess. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect thing

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Karen Lewellen
we shall see what I can and cannot do legally. On Fri, 25 Jun 2021, Liam Proven wrote: I am not interested into entering into debates about your medical claims. I do not live in your country and never have, so I doubt you could sue me if I had said anything actionable, which I have not. Thi

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Liam Proven
I am not interested into entering into debates about your medical claims. I do not live in your country and never have, so I doubt you could sue me if I had said anything actionable, which I have not. This is a mailing list. It cannot be edited. What is sent is sent and it cannot be changed. If

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Karen Lewellen
On Fri, 25 Jun 2021, Liam Proven wrote:> Unfortunately a lot of people are very technologically conservative. Once they find something they like, they will stay with it at all costs. Like Karen here: she likes DOS, she likes her hardware screen reader, and she wants the world to come to her and

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Dear Karen: Very much so, part of why asking, rather than assuming anything about another human being is wise. I'd like you to write up your insights. Launch a thread on software access for the disabled. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Fr

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Karen Lewellen
Very much so, part of why asking, rather than assuming anything about another human being is wise. On Fri, 25 Jun 2021, Bryan Kilgallin wrote: Hi Karen: Thanks for the info. The disabled are varied. And one's life experience is subjective. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Carsten, I also use a Python script to access online media such as youtube, called youtube-dl. It often needs to be updated to work with the newest changes on youtube, but it also works with a number of other websites including various media libraries of TV and radio stations. So I like the g

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Hi Liam: Unfortunately a lot of people are very technologically conservative. Once they find something they like, they will stay with it at all costs. Like Karen here: she likes DOS, she likes her hardware screen reader, and she wants the world to come to her and interoperate with her obsolete t

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 at 03:56, Eric Auer wrote: > > PS Liam: I am surprised that you have so much experience > with screen readers, so maybe you could share some ideas > about which of the free Linux TTS engines have which > strengths and weaknesses based on what both you and > the users you know t

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Hi Eric: I do have some experience with writing a simple adapter for Dutch text to speech long ago, so I am actually aware of the limitations of the technology. Even now, youtubers who prefer to stay anonymous use annoyingly artifically sounding speech engines. I think I even have a chip from ba

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Carsten Strotmann
Hello Karen, On 25 Jun 2021, at 4:46, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I use sshdos to reach a Ubuntu shell, but even in Ubuntu the links and elinks > JavaScript falls short in places, especially if cloudflare is being used. do you know "browsh"? https://www.brow.sh/ It is an up-to-date browser based

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Carsten Strotmann
Hi Karen, On 24 Jun 2021, at 23:49, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Links for DOS, for what it is, opens some doors, but not all, something I > would happily pay to see corrected. I know the tunein.com website (I've used it myself from time to time). I use a command line application (on MacOS) to acc

Re: [Freedos-user] tunein.com and freedos?

2021-06-25 Thread Bryan Kilgallin
Hi Karen: Thanks for the info. The disabled are varied. And one's life experience is subjective. -- members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedo