# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2005-06-06 10:25:51 -0300:
> several linux distros have achieved a difficult goal: ease of
> installation-use combined with a stable system. (...) I think that
> there are a lot of linux distros out there that are really easy to
> use, and even more "friendly" or "beatiful" th
Did you guys already unmount your filesystem?
On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 17:48:26 +0200, Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Yuval Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oliver Fromme wrote:
> > I do look carefully every day, because it's my job. I work
> > with various operating systems every
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 10:25:51AM -0300, Maxi Combina wrote:
snipped for brevity
> combined with a stable system. I have no trouble with a "diffucult /
> unix-like" OS, but a lot of people do. And this a _fact_.They dont
> have time to spend learning to use a "dificult" OS. And I think that
> if
Iulian M wrote:
> http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/big-picture.html#faq-6.5
>
> it's about the best programing language ... but if you replace "programing
> language" with "OS" it still applys.
>From the web page:
"Anyone who argues in favor of one language over another in a purely
tech
On Monday 06 June 2005 17:02, Oliver Fromme wrote:
>
> Yup, I know the usual freebsd-for-servers and linux-for-
> desktops arguments. And to be honest, I'm fed up with
> them. They're lies. I'm running FreeBSD on my desktop
> at home, a lot of people are happily running Linux on
> their servers
Yuval Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oliver Fromme wrote:
> > I do look carefully every day, because it's my job. I work
> > with various operating systems every day, including FreeBSD
> > and Linux.
>
> From a professional I would expect a more mature and balanced approach,
> rather
Can the two of you please take this bikeshed to -chat or
wherever?
Thank you,
Wilko
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:00:41AM -0400, Yuval Levy wrote..
> Oliver Fromme wrote:
>
> >I do look carefully every day, because it's my job. I work
> >with various operating systems every day, including FreeBSD
Oliver Fromme wrote:
I do look carefully every day, because it's my job. I work
with various operating systems every day, including FreeBSD
and Linux.
From a professional I would expect a more mature and balanced approach,
rather than "my favorite OS is the best one and the others have no
Maxi Combina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > I do not seed the need of insult other OS.
> May be you need to look more carefully. I am not talking _only_ about
> this thread.
You replied specifically to my mail, and you didn't mention
any other threads.
> > Well, I don't see any. But ev
Maxi Combina wrote:
> companies, etc) to move to an open source OS, we must do an effort. I
> think that there are a lot of linux distros out there that are really
> easy to use, and even more "friendly" or "beatiful" than windows.
> I dont think that FreeBSD has achieved this. I dont think there
> > I do not seed the need of insult other OS.
May be you need to look more carefully. I am not talking _only_ about
this thread.
As I said, I dont wanna flame, just reflecting (or trying to :) )
> > Even worse if the other OS is open source (as linux).
>
> Being open source doesn't mean that a
Maxi Combina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Personally, I have used the ext2fs driver for exactly one
> > reason: to migrate data from Linux to FreeBSD on machines
> > which are being converted from the Dark Side. And that
>
> I do not seed the need of insult other OS.
And I do not see
Vulpes Velox wrote:
> I have had the same problem with fat32 filesystems before also. I
> have ut2004 installed on a fatpartition on my dualboot machine. To
> make it accessible so that I can play it in freebsd aswell, I need to
> mount and unmount the drive from a rc.d script under /usr/local/etc
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:21:01 +0200
Matthias Buelow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maxi Combina wrote:
> > Hello, I am running freebsd 5.4, and every time I reboot, I get a
> > mesasge when the kernel is mounting the filesystems. It says that
> > the fs were not properly unmounted, and must chek them
> Personally, I have used the ext2fs driver for exactly one
> reason: to migrate data from Linux to FreeBSD on machines
> which are being converted from the Dark Side. And that
I do not seed the need of insult other OS. Even worse if the other OS
is open source (as linux). With this attitude we
yuval levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In my opinion, an O/S that can not handle the most
> popular file systems is handicapped in a world of
> increasing diversity.
Please excuse me jumping in here, but ext2/ext3 is certainly
_not_ one of the most popular file systems for most members
of this
Don Lewis wrote:
> That might help to an extent, but would not eliminate the problem. Any
> file systems between root and the mount point of the ext2 file system
> would be busy and would not be able to be unmounted. They would still
> be marked dirty and would need to be fsck'ed after the reboo
On 3 Jun, Matthias Buelow wrote:
> Don Lewis wrote:
>
>> Nope, the ext2fs problem is different. It is caused by ext2fs holding
>> persistent references to disk buffers that causes the kernel shutdown
>> code to to think that not all the dirty buffers have been written to
>> disk and skip unmount
Don Lewis wrote:
> Nope, the ext2fs problem is different. It is caused by ext2fs holding
> persistent references to disk buffers that causes the kernel shutdown
> code to to think that not all the dirty buffers have been written to
> disk and skip unmounting all the file systems.
Can't that be c
--- Dick Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * yuval levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [0656 21:56]:
> > --- Dick Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > How would you feel if your car dealer would tell
> you
> > that the car is just fine, you only have to
> remember,
> > every time before you start it,
On 2 Jun, Charles Swiger wrote:
> On Jun 2, 2005, at 4:56 PM, yuval levy wrote:
>>> If it's a pain to remeber, maybe try sticking
>>> something in rc.shutdown?
>>
>> Thank you for trying to help, but I do not find this
>> reply helpful. That's a quick and dirty fix, not a
>> solution.
> [ ...car a
* yuval levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [0656 21:56]:
> --- Dick Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How would you feel if your car dealer would tell you
> that the car is just fine, you only have to remember,
> every time before you start it, to chew a gum and
> stick the chewing gum on that little hole
yuval levy wrote:
> Anyway, I am just trying to stirr some talk and get
> some attention to an issue which I find important.
> Maybe somebody with the appropriate skills will read
> this and fix the issue.
Noone complains that people stir things up every now and then.. at least
then the developer
On Jun 2, 2005, at 4:56 PM, yuval levy wrote:
If it's a pain to remeber, maybe try sticking
something in rc.shutdown?
Thank you for trying to help, but I do not find this
reply helpful. That's a quick and dirty fix, not a
solution.
[ ...car analogy snipped... ]
Quick and dirty fixes are ok fo
--- "J. T. Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yuval levy wrote:
>
> >--- Dick Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >>* Yuval Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [0647 15:47]:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Is it possible to fix this issue? from the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>description it seems to me
> >>
> >>
yuval levy wrote:
--- Dick Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
* Yuval Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [0647 15:47]:
Is it possible to fix this issue? from the
description it seems to me
that the issue got worse since freebsd 5.3
(assuming Maxi's root
partition is ufs2
--- Dick Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Yuval Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [0647 15:47]:
> > >
> > Is it possible to fix this issue? from the
> description it seems to me
> > that the issue got worse since freebsd 5.3
> (assuming Maxi's root
> > partition is ufs2).
>
> If it's a pain to reme
* Yuval Levy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [0647 15:47]:
> >
> Is it possible to fix this issue? from the description it seems to me
> that the issue got worse since freebsd 5.3 (assuming Maxi's root
> partition is ufs2).
If it's a pain to remeber, maybe try sticking something in rc.shutdown?
--
'Ugh,
Matthias Buelow wrote:
Maxi Combina wrote:
Hello, I am running freebsd 5.4, and every time I reboot, I get a
mesasge when the kernel is mounting the filesystems. It says that the
fs were not properly unmounted, and must chek them. Them main concern
is with my root partition. I also have en e
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:09:08 +0200, Maxi Combina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Hello, I am running freebsd 5.4, and every time I reboot, I get a
mesasge when the kernel is mounting the filesystems. It says that the
fs were not properly unmounted, and must chek them. Them main concern
is with my r
Maxi Combina wrote:
> Hello, I am running freebsd 5.4, and every time I reboot, I get a
> mesasge when the kernel is mounting the filesystems. It says that the
> fs were not properly unmounted, and must chek them. Them main concern
> is with my root partition. I also have en ext3 partition (which I
Are you 100% sure u didn't use "shutdown -p" as I've seen this happen
and its apparently due to IDE disks lying about when they have flushed
all data to disk.
Steve
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From: "Maxi Combina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello, I am running freebsd 5.4, and every time I reboo
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