Re: 8.x grudges

31.07.2010 01:17, Peter Jeremy написав(ла): kenv(1) (in the base) should as well. Cool! Here it is: smbios.bios.reldate="08/13/2003" smbios.bios.vendor="American Megatrends Inc." smbios.bios.version="3.13 " smbios.chassis.maker="Chassis Manufacture" smbios.chassis.serial="C

Re: 8.x grudges

On 2010-Jul-29 16:50:24 +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: >Install ports/sysutils/dmidecode and type (as root): > ># dmidecode -t system -t baseboard > >It will tell you the vendor and product name, among >other things. kenv(1) (in the base) should as well. -- Peter Jeremy pgpbf8VH6Q3UB.pgp Descrip

Re: 8.x grudges

Mikhail T. wrote: > The motherboard version -- I'm not sure still. Something like > nVidia nForce2 -- does that identify it enough? Install ports/sysutils/dmidecode and type (as root): # dmidecode -t system -t baseboard It will tell you the vendor and product name, among other things. Best r

Re: 8.x grudges

Hi, On Jul 28, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Mikhail T. wrote: > 09.07.2010 05:49, Peter Jeremy ???(??): >> I doubt I'm personally in a position to debug this and don't personally >> use splash screens. Can you reproduce it using an image that you can >> re-distribute? >> > Ok, the splash-screen pro

Re: 8.x grudges

09.07.2010 05:49, Peter Jeremy ???(??): I doubt I'm personally in a position to debug this and don't personally use splash screens. Can you reproduce it using an image that you can re-distribute? Ok, the splash-screen problem went away after I put back the original video-card. The one I

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

On 12/07/2010 19:22, Marian Hettwer wrote: > Hi Adam, > > Am 12.07.10 19:11, schrieb Adam Vande More: >> >> Automated installations have existed on FreeBSD for a long time. You >> can do >> this either via netboot or CD based media. Also rolling your own >> FreeBSD >> media with custom changes i

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

On Mon, 12 Jul 2010, Marian Hettwer wrote: While I fully understand that the iso images purpose is _not_ doing a netinstall, I'd like to have a downloadable image which is easy pxebootable and just drops into a shell. Ideally it does a dhcp request, if successful starts a sshd and if not has v

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

Am 12.07.10 19:37, schrieb Mikhail T.: 12.07.2010 13:11, Adam Vande More wrote: Roll it into your media You lost me right here... Rolling one's own media (for every release and release-candidate) may be Ok for someone in charge of making, at least, several installations per week. For someo

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

Hi Adam, Am 12.07.10 19:11, schrieb Adam Vande More: Automated installations have existed on FreeBSD for a long time. You can do this either via netboot or CD based media. Also rolling your own FreeBSD media with custom changes is trivial compared the linux distro's I'm familar with. I have

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

12.07.2010 13:11, Adam Vande More wrote: Roll it into your media You lost me right here... Rolling one's own media (for every release and release-candidate) may be Ok for someone in charge of making, at least, several installations per week. For someone like myself, who just wanted to use a d

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Mikhail T. > wrote: > > RedHat's "kickstart < > http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/ch-kickstart2.html>" > can do an entire install based on pre-configured rules. Implementing > something like that for FreeBSD would, probably, take

Re: 8.x grudges

08.07.2010 17:36, Lucas Holt написав(ла): Most of us work on open source for free in our own time, and it's impossible to test every possible configuration before a release. I tested several particular configurations -- on several machines -- and reported the overlooked issues. I didn't write a

Re: 8.x grudges

08.07.2010 17:06, Peter Jeremy написав(ла): On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, "Mikhail T." wrote: In no particular order: 1. A picture, that one of the systems was displaying at boot (and then used as a screen-saver), stopped showing properly. The colors are right, but the pic

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

08.07.2010 12:40, Jeremy Chadwick написав(ла): set vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:/dev/md0" > >boot > Yes, that works... It just should not be necessary. Okay, so let me get this straight. First the complaint was that you had to modify loader.conf, which involved extracting the CD ima

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

08.07.2010 09:53, Jeremy Chadwick написав(ла): Then don't modify loader.conf. Instead, once the "Welcome to FreeBSD!" portion of loader appears, press "6" to shell to the loader prompt and type: set vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:/dev/md0" boot Yes, that works... It just should not be necessary. R

Re: 8.x grudges

In message: Garrett Cooper writes: : On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Mikhail T. wrote: : > 07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick ???(??): : >>> : >>>      FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option is, apparently, a requirement (and : >>>      thus not an "option") -- the kernel-config files, tha

Re: 8.x grudges

On 2010-Jul-08 18:10:48 -0400, "Mikhail T." wrote: >08.07.2010 17:06, Peter Jeremy написав(ла): >> On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, "Mikhail T." >> wrote>>>1. A picture, that one of the systems was displaying at boot (and >>> then used as a screen-saver), stopped showing properly. The >

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

> On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 11:08:04AM -0400, Mikhail T. wrote: > > 08.07.2010 09:53, Jeremy Chadwick написаÐ=²(ла): > > >Then don't modify loader.conf. Instead, once the "Welcome to FreeBSD!=" > > >portion of loader appears, press "6" to shell to the loader prompt > > >and type: > > > > > >

Re: 8.x grudges

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: With regards to "leftover man pages" in /usr/share/man/manX, I believe mergemaster now handles clean-up of those, and probably catX too. Never has, never will. :) What I actually advocate is 'rm -r /usr/share/man' before doing installworld. Been doi

Re: 8.x grudges

> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:36:17 -0400 > From: Lucas Holt > Sender: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org > > On 07/08/10 17:06, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, "Mikhail T." > > wrote: > > > >> In no particular order: > >> > >>1. > >> A picture, that one of the

Re: 8.x grudges

On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 02:46:16PM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote: > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Lucas Holt wrote: > > On 07/08/10 17:06, Peter Jeremy wrote: > >> > >> On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, "Mikhail T." > >>  wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> In no particular order: > >>> > >>>   1. > >>>      A pic

Re: 8.x grudges

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Lucas Holt wrote: > On 07/08/10 17:06, Peter Jeremy wrote: >> >> On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, "Mikhail T." >>  wrote: >> >>> >>> In no particular order: >>> >>>   1. >>>      A picture, that one of the systems was displaying at boot (and >>>      then used as a sc

Re: 8.x grudges

On 07/08/10 17:06, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, "Mikhail T." wrote: In no particular order: 1. A picture, that one of the systems was displaying at boot (and then used as a screen-saver), stopped showing properly. The colors are right, but the pi

Re: 8.x grudges

On 2010-Jul-07 14:22:22 -0400, "Mikhail T." wrote: >In no particular order: > > 1. > A picture, that one of the systems was displaying at boot (and > then used as a screen-saver), stopped showing properly. The > colors are right, but the picture is distorted beyond recognition. >

Re: 8.x grudges

On 07/08/2010 10:08, Marian Hettwer wrote: > Hi jhell, > > ehm... > > Am 08.07.10 14:46, wrote jhell: > On 07/08/2010 06:54, for whatever Marian Hettwer wrote: > >> I certainly not wrote the text below. That's what, I guess, you wrote. >> Your MUA is defect. >> And honestly, I don't know why th

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 11:08:04AM -0400, Mikhail T. wrote: > 08.07.2010 09:53, Jeremy Chadwick написав(ла): > >Then don't modify loader.conf. Instead, once the "Welcome to FreeBSD!" > >portion of loader appears, press "6" to shell to the loader prompt > >and type: > > > >set vfs.root.mountfrom="u

Re: 8.x grudges

Hi jhell, ehm... Am 08.07.10 14:46, wrote jhell: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2010 06:54, for whatever Marian Hettwer wrote: I certainly not wrote the text below. That's what, I guess, you wrote. Your MUA is defect. And honestly, I don't know why that's a reply to

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 04:29:14PM -0400, Mikhail T. wrote: > 07.07.2010 16:00, Randi Harper написав(ла): > >So you're complaining that you have to modify the loader.conf? I > >fail to see the problem. This is by design, and isn't a lack of > >progress. > Yes, I complain, that I have to modify

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

On Wed, 7 Jul 2010, Mikhail T. wrote: > 07.07.2010 16:00, Randi Harper ???(??): > > So you're complaining that you have to modify the loader.conf? I > > fail to see the problem. This is by design, and isn't a lack of > > progress. > > > Yes, I complain, that I have to modify a loa

Re: 8.x grudges

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2010 06:54, for whatever Marian Hettwer wrote: With any major upgrade or release process comes a commitment from the developers and end-users alike that involves a review, testing & release. The release part on the end-users

Re: 8.x grudges

On Jul 7, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Mikhail T. wrote: >> 07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick ???(??): FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option is, apparently, a requirement (and thus not an "option") -- the kernel-config files, that

Re: 8.x grudges

07.07.2010 16:50, Marcel Moolenaar написав(ла): Not to mention that if you change uart(4) to create dev entries like sio(4) after uart(4) has been in the tree for more than 6 years creating ttyu* entries, you actually introduce a gratuitous change. If sio and uart could co-exist, then you'd b

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

07.07.2010 16:00, Randi Harper написав(ла): So you're complaining that you have to modify the loader.conf? I fail to see the problem. This is by design, and isn't a lack of progress. Yes, I complain, that I have to modify a loader.conf embedded in a CD-image. If extracting hundreds of me

net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

07.07.2010 14:30, Randi Harper написав(ла): 8. > I tried to do an install on one of the systems via netbooting > (pxeload) the disk1-image. It booted, but the sysinstall had to be > started manually and, once started, did not act the same as when > booted off of CD-ROM.

Re: 8.x grudges

Am 07.07.10 22:52, schrieb Mikhail T.: 07.07.2010 16:34, Randi Harper ???(??): Attached is the kernel config-file (i386), that worked fine under 7.x. The kernel-compile will break (some *freebsd7* structs undefined), without the COMPAT_FREEBSD7 option. Try it for yourself... Don't use

Re: 8.x grudges

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/7/10 4:17 PM, Mikhail T. wrote: > 07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick написав(ла): >>> FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option is, apparently, a requirement (and >>> thus not an "option") -- the kernel-config files, that worked with >>> 7.x, br

Re: 8.x grudges

For what its worth, we have had good success migrating our kernel configs from 6 -> 7 -> 8 with very few changes, and no real problems. The secret is to create a kernel that is based of GENERIC using include in a "clean" the include that config in top level one which adds the specific additional

Re: 8.x grudges

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 00:20:56 +0200 Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 12:34:55 -0700 > Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > k8temp is for older AMD system running K8 cores. It has been mostly > > replaced with amdtemp which works on newer cores. I'm not sure if > > amdtemp will work on K8 cor

Re: 8.x grudges

On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 12:34:55 -0700 Kevin Oberman wrote: > k8temp is for older AMD system running K8 cores. It has been mostly > replaced with amdtemp which works on newer cores. I'm not sure if > amdtemp will work on K8 cores, though. It does (amdtemp works on K8s): r...@kg-quiet# uname -a FreeB

Re: 8.x grudges

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mikhail T. wrote: > Your "telling" me this is just as valid as warning me against using > computer-cases of a particular color. It is a silly requirement. My > expecting things, that worked for 7, to work in 8 is reasonable. There may > be (documented!) exceptions,

Re: 8.x grudges

> > > 5. > > One of the upgraded systems would repeatedly hang at boot, until I > > disabled the on-board firewire-device through the BIOS... It was > > not a problem under 7.x, although I don't know, whether the device > > actually worked. > > This is a commonly-reported p

Re: 8.x grudges

> > > 5. > > One of the upgraded systems would repeatedly hang at boot, until I > > disabled the on-board firewire-device through the BIOS... It was > > not a problem under 7.x, although I don't know, whether the device > > actually worked. > > This is a commonly-reported pr

Re: 8.x grudges

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mikhail T. wrote: > 07.07.2010 16:34, Randi Harper ???(??): >> >>> Attached is the kernel config-file (i386), that worked fine under 7.x. >>> The >>> kernel-compile will break (some *freebsd7* structs undefined), without >>> the >>> COMPAT_FREEBSD7 option. Try i

Re: 8.x grudges

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Mikhail T. wrote: > 07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick ???(??): >>> >>>      FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option is, apparently, a requirement (and >>>      thus not an "option") -- the kernel-config files, that worked with >>>      7.x, break without this option in th

Re: 8.x grudges

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mikhail T. wrote: > I know nothing about the driver. But a utility I regularly used stopped > working after upgrade, so I added that to my list of upgrade-related > grudges. Was this before or after re-compiling all your installed ports, which is necessary step bet

Re: 8.x grudges

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Mikhail T. wrote: > 07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick ???(??): >>> >>>      FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option is, apparently, a requirement (and >>>      thus not an "option") -- the kernel-config files, that worked with >>>      7.x, break without this option in th

Re: 8.x grudges

07.07.2010 16:34, Randi Harper ???(??): Attached is the kernel config-file (i386), that worked fine under 7.x. The kernel-compile will break (some *freebsd7* structs undefined), without the COMPAT_FREEBSD7 option. Try it for yourself... Don't use a kernel config from 7. We've already

Re: 8.x grudges

On Jul 7, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Randi Harper wrote: >> Well, pardon the political pun, but I don't believe in change for the sake >> of change. These particular changes are gratuitous. If sio is no longer >> available -- and replaced by uart, why change the /dev-entries?.. > > These changes aren't gr

Re: 8.x grudges

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Mikhail T. wrote: > 07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick ???(??): >>> >>>      FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option is, apparently, a requirement (and >>>      thus not an "option") -- the kernel-config files, that worked with >>>      7.x, break without this option in th

Re: 8.x grudges

07.07.2010 14:59, Jeremy Chadwick ???(??): FREEBSD_COMPAT7 kernel option is, apparently, a requirement (and thus not an "option") -- the kernel-config files, that worked with 7.x, break without this option in them (in addition to all the nuisance, that's documented in

Re: net-booting the install disks (Re: 8.x grudges)

2010/7/7 Mikhail T. : > 07.07.2010 14:30, Randi Harper написав(ла): > >  8. >>     I tried to do an install on one of the systems via netbooting >>     (pxeload) the disk1-image. It booted, but the sysinstall had to be >>     started manually and, once started, did not act the same as when >>     b

Re: 8.x grudges

> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 14:22:22 -0400 > From: "Mikhail T." > Sender: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org > > I'm upgrading several systems these days to the 8.1 (pre-release) and > have hit the following troubles... I could file a formal PR for each, I > suppose, but, maybe, this way will get th

Re: 8.x grudges

On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 02:22:22PM -0400, Mikhail T. wrote: > I'm upgrading several systems these days to the 8.1 (pre-release) > and have hit the following troubles... I could file a formal PR for > each, I suppose, but, maybe, this way will get the right people's > attention sooner. > > 2. >

Re: 8.x grudges

On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 14:22:22 -0400 "Mikhail T." wrote: >9. > The k8temp utility (installed by sysutils/k8temp > ), which worked fine on > both of my AMD-machines, no longer works on the Athlon one (still > works on the Opteron

Re: 8.x grudges

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Mikhail T. wrote: >  8. >     I tried to do an install on one of the systems via netbooting >     (pxeload) the disk1-image. It booted, but the sysinstall had to be >     started manually and, once started, did not act the same as when >     booted off of CD-ROM. S

8.x grudges

I'm upgrading several systems these days to the 8.1 (pre-release) and have hit the following troubles... I could file a formal PR for each, I suppose, but, maybe, this way will get the right people's attention sooner. In no particular order: 1. A picture, that one of the systems was dis