Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Skip Ford
Doug Barton wrote: > Skip Ford wrote: > > Just like I'd think everyone should sync with stratum-1 servers if > > those operators supported everyone doing that. > > I've already pointed out that this is a silly analogy, as the two > things have nothing in common. At the most basic level: > > Indiv

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Christopher Vance
I've been using a stub root zone for years without a problem. -- Christopher ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Mark Andrews
> Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 01:49:39PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > >> Oliver Fromme wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. default > >>> being a "hint" zone, and slave zones being commented out, ready > >>> to be used for thos

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Mark Andrews
> Hi, > > Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. > default being a "hint" zone, and slave zones being > commented out, ready to be used for those who know > what they're doing. > > However, I noticed that the "refresh" interval of the > root zone is 1800, i.e. it would be fetched

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Kevin Oberman
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 22:42:47 +0200 (CEST) > From: Oliver Fromme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi, > > Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. > default being a "hint" zone, and slave zones being > commented out, ready to be used for those who know > what t

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 01:49:39PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> Oliver Fromme wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. default >>> being a "hint" zone, and slave zones being commented out, ready >>> to be used for those who know what t

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 01:49:39PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. default > > being a "hint" zone, and slave zones being commented out, ready to > > be used for those who know what they're doing. I second thi

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
Oliver Fromme wrote: > Hi, > > Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. default > being a "hint" zone, and slave zones being commented out, ready to > be used for those who know what they're doing. Thanks. > However, I noticed that the "refresh" interval of the root zone is > 1800,

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Oliver Fromme
Hi, Just for the record, I like the current solution, i.e. default being a "hint" zone, and slave zones being commented out, ready to be used for those who know what they're doing. However, I noticed that the "refresh" interval of the root zone is 1800, i.e. it would be fetched every 30 minutes,

Re: Bug in less version 406.

2007-08-02 Thread Ted Hatfield
On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 01:08:47PM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: For me this is one of those intermittent faults. Sometimes it segfaults, and sometimes it doesn't. I can't reproduce this on any of the 3 systems I have easy access to, ei

Re: Bug in less version 406.

2007-08-02 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 01:08:47PM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > For me this is one of those intermittent faults. Sometimes it segfaults, > and sometimes it doesn't. I can't reproduce this on any of the 3 systems I have easy access to, either with less -E or more. The less options

Re: Bug in less version 406.

2007-08-02 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
David Wolfskill wrote: On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 12:14:37PM -0500, Ted Hatfield wrote: Can someone verify this bug for me please and suggest a fix. Error description: Using less -E or more to display a file that is less than a full page, while then displaying a nonexistent file causes a segment

Re: Bug in less version 406.

2007-08-02 Thread David Wolfskill
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 12:14:37PM -0500, Ted Hatfield wrote: > > Can someone verify this bug for me please and suggest a fix. > > Error description: > > Using less -E or more to display a file that is less than a full page, > while then displaying a nonexistent file causes a segmentation fault

Bug in less version 406.

2007-08-02 Thread Ted Hatfield
Can someone verify this bug for me please and suggest a fix. Error description: Using less -E or more to display a file that is less than a full page, while then displaying a nonexistent file causes a segmentation fault. For example on a newly built system you can less -E /etc/group bogusfi

Re: default dns config change causing major poolpah

2007-08-02 Thread Feargal Reilly
On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:32:42 -0700 Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The root server operators do not make changes in this kind of > abrupt fashion. This, I think, is the root (sic) of the objections here in FreeBSD land. I expect many people think the same of the FreeBSD project - that it

Re: RELENG_6 patch [Re: pf 4.1 Update available for testing]

2007-08-02 Thread Max Laier
On Thursday 02 August 2007, Frank Behrens wrote: > Max Laier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25 Jul 2007 1:35: > > now available at: http://people.freebsd.org/~mlaier/PF41/ with > > instructions how to build. > > Thanks! I tested it, because I have some trouble with pf > > > Please test if possible an

Re: RELENG_6 patch [Re: pf 4.1 Update available for testing]

2007-08-02 Thread Max Laier
On Thursday 02 August 2007, Frank Behrens wrote: > Max Laier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 2 Aug 2007 17:13: > > On Thursday 02 August 2007, Frank Behrens wrote: > > > The build has following problems: > > > - libexec/Makefile has still reference to ftp_proxy, removing that > > > line helped > > > >

Re: RELENG_6 patch [Re: pf 4.1 Update available for testing]

2007-08-02 Thread Frank Behrens
Max Laier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 2 Aug 2007 17:13: > On Thursday 02 August 2007, Frank Behrens wrote: > > The build has following problems: > > - libexec/Makefile has still reference to ftp_proxy, removing that line > > helped > > That's in the patch, did you have a libexec/Makefile.rej? S

Re: Various problems with re(4) on a PCIe 8168/8111B onboard NIC

2007-08-02 Thread Michael Nottebrock
On Tuesday, 31. July 2007, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 01:31:59AM +0200, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > > On Monday, 30. July 2007, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > > > Thanks for reporting. I don't have these hardware models so I couldn't > > > verify the issue. After reading the vendor

Re: RELENG_6 patch [Re: pf 4.1 Update available for testing]

2007-08-02 Thread Frank Behrens
Max Laier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 25 Jul 2007 1:35: > now available at: http://people.freebsd.org/~mlaier/PF41/ with > instructions how to build. Thanks! I tested it, because I have some trouble with pf > Please test if possible and provide me with feedback. The build has following proble

Re: Call for testing: patch that helps Wine on 6.x

2007-08-02 Thread Tijl Coosemans
On Wednesday 01 August 2007 16:58:46 Anish Mistry wrote: > On Tuesday 31 July 2007, Tijl Coosemans wrote: >> On Friday 13 July 2007 20:08:59 Volker wrote: >>> On 07/11/07 20:42, John Baldwin wrote: This patch attempts to remove a gross hack with a slightly less gross hack in order to avoi

Re: Call for testing: patch that helps Wine on 6.x

2007-08-02 Thread Tijl Coosemans
On Wednesday 01 August 2007 22:58:23 Volker wrote: > On 07/31/07 17:25, Tijl Coosemans wrote: >> On Friday 13 July 2007 20:08:59 Volker wrote: >>> On 07/11/07 20:42, John Baldwin wrote: This patch attempts to remove a gross hack with a slightly less gross hack in order to avoid clobbering

Re: Re: default dns config change causing major poolpah

2007-08-02 Thread Volker
On 12/23/-58 20:59, Doug Barton wrote: > Jo Rhett wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 01:32:42PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: This is about on par with >>> manufacturer> selling SOHO routers that synchronize their clocks using stratum-1 NTP servers. >>> I don't really think that analogy holds

Re: default dns config change causing major poolpah

2007-08-02 Thread jonathan michaels
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 06:26:46AM +0200, Thijs Eilander wrote: > >If there is a consensus based on solid technical reasons (not emotion > >or FUD) to back the root zone slaving change out, I'll be glad to do > >so. I think it would be very useful at this point if those who _like_ > >the change wou

Re: default dns config change causing major poolpah

2007-08-02 Thread Eygene Ryabinkin
Doug, good day. Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 03:14:38AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > Matthew Dillon wrote: > > It has always seemed to me that actually > > downloading a physical root zone file once a week is the most reliable > > solution. > > This is a really bad idea. The root zone changes slow

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Edwin Groothuis
On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 06:34:59AM -0400, Skip Ford wrote: > Doug Barton wrote: > > In an effort to find some kind of balance (I won't even try to say > > "consensus") between those who hate the idea of slaving the root > > zones, those who like the idea but don't want it to be the default, > > and

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
Skip Ford wrote: > If the operators were required to support it, I think everyone > should slave the roots, not just those running busy servers. Actually I don't think that's the right way to do it at all. What is needed here is a reliable (DNSSEC, or at least TSIG) out of band method to allow "

Re: named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Skip Ford
Doug Barton wrote: > In an effort to find some kind of balance (I won't even try to say > "consensus") between those who hate the idea of slaving the root > zones, those who like the idea but don't want it to be the default, > and those who like the idea, I've made the following change: > > 1. Cha

Re: default dns config change causing major poolpah

2007-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
Matthew Dillon wrote: > I generally recommend using our 'getroot' script to download an actual > root.zone file instead of using a hints file (and I guess AXFR is supposed > to replace both concepts). Yes to AXFR replacing both, but ... > It has always seemed to me that actually >

named.conf restored to hint zone for the root by default

2007-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 In an effort to find some kind of balance (I won't even try to say "consensus") between those who hate the idea of slaving the root zones, those who like the idea but don't want it to be the default, and those who like the idea, I've made the foll

Re: default dns config change causing major poolpah

2007-08-02 Thread Doug Rabson
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 18:04 -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > > in addition nowhere does it state in RFC2870 that the root-servers have to > > accept AXFR's as part of their service. > > in fact, the opposite > >2.7 Root servers SHOULD NOT answer AXFR, or other zone transfer, >queries from c

Re: default dns config change causing major poolpah

2007-08-02 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Peter Losher wrote: One of the other objections I have with this change (other than the fact that it was made w/o consultation) is the fact that this is would become the "default" setting. Yes, busy mail servers may be better served by slaving frequently used zones, and as Vixie mentioned on th

Re: default dns config change causing major poolpah

2007-08-02 Thread Bob Bishop
Hi, Regardless of the technicalities and politics, this change is obviously a major POLA violation which is a good enough reason to back it out. -- Bob Bishop +44 (0)118 940 1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax +44 (0)118 940 1295 ___ freebsd-s