Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

long term goals. Eliminating, or at least not being dependent on a GNU toolchain. GPL v3 brings with it a whole host problems such as: As you already know i don't like GPL very much. As i already said for me GNU is computer communism. But like or not like, i don't prefer my likeness above f

Re: freebsd-update install question

Dale Scott skrev 2012-06-14 14:59: Should I install the libc souces? I had this error when upgrading 8.x (8.1 to 8.2?), and solved it by creating the directory only (actual sources not required). I recall someone had posted this solution to the list at the time. Regards, Dale

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 1:59 AM, Wojciech Puchar < woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > > OK? Can you just answer that simple question clearly? > Yes Wojciech, I can attempt an answer for you. Pay attention, this gets very complex. The decision to move to Clang was motivated by what is best

seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

i have samba server and few virtualbox sessions using vboxnet which is started by /usr/local/etc/rc.d/vboxheadless i want samba to be started AFTER vboxheadless as the latter configures vboxnet0 automatically when started, and samba do bind to vboxnet0. so i appended vboxheadless to REQUIRE:

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

Yes Wojciech, I can attempt an answer for you.  Pay attention, this gets very complex. The decision to move to Clang was motivated by what is best for the project, and not what is best for Wojciech. still not stopped personal attacks (last part of last sentence) but lets forget. So please g

Re: Why Clang

Wojciech Puchar wrote: Here[1] we can read a program linking agains a gpl v3 library should be released under the gplv3 too. However, the only concern would be when the program is implicitly linked against libgcc right? Well, there's even an exception[2] for this. this is exactly how i understa

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

The answer is: 1. gcc will still be available through the ports system. 2. The move to clang/llvm as a default compiler will reduce the amount of GPL code in the base system, eventually reducing distribution issues (especially for 3rd parties). 3. clang/llvm provides better error and warning messa

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

On 20/06/2012 09:24, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > i have samba server and few virtualbox sessions using vboxnet which is > started by /usr/local/etc/rc.d/vboxheadless > > i want samba to be started AFTER vboxheadless as the latter configures > vboxnet0 automatically when started, and samba do bind to

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

Create a new file in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/precedence with the following contents: #!/bin/sh # # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. # PROVIDE: precedence # REQUIRE: vboxheadless # BEFORE: samba : Make it executable. Note -- the ':' does seem to be necessary. thank you for help. I wi

Re: Why Clang

The bad thing about GPLv3 is that if anyone commits any code under this license into the tree vendors that use our code base for making their own OSes will ditch FreeBSD as they can be sued by FSF. Juniper for example. It would be wise to listen to their point of view on GPLv3. not really un

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

1. gcc will still be available through the ports system. As well as clang is available in ports. not an argument. 2. The move to clang/llvm as a default compiler will reduce the amount of GPL code in the base system, eventually reducing distribution issues (especially for 3rd parties). true.

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

On 20/06/2012 09:51, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> Create a new file in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/precedence with the following >> contents: >> >> #!/bin/sh >> # >> # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. >> >> # PROVIDE: precedence >> # REQUIRE: vboxheadless >> # BEFORE: samba >> >> : >> >> Make i

Re: Why Clang

Wojciech Puchar wrote: The bad thing about GPLv3 is that if anyone commits any code under this license into the tree vendors that use our code base for making their own OSes will ditch FreeBSD as they can be sued by FSF. Juniper for example. It would be wise to listen to their point of view on G

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:51:04 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: > > Create a new file in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/precedence with the > > following contents: > > > > #!/bin/sh > > # > > # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. > > > > # PROVIDE: precedence > > # REQUIRE: vboxheadless > > #

packet filter problem on transparent firewall using bridge and pf

I have some trouble with pf on freebsd bridge. Network topology: ( untrust ) -- { em0 , bridge0 , em1 } -- ( trust ) Bridge Network: 10.1.1.0/24 bridge0 IP: 10.1.1.1 ( freebsd's ip ) default gw: 10.1.1.254 ( in untrust area ) server: 10.1.1.101 ~ 200 ( in trust area ) pf.conf on freebsd serv1

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

Wojciech Puchar wrote: 5. clang/llvm is more modular than gcc, although there are plans for gcc to become as modular, it will take time. Doesn't matter how it is written, but how it performs. That's a hard one. I remember an error in gcc loop optimizer which makes gcc produce SSE2 opcodes fo

where's ppmtoxpm

I have searched for ppmtoxpm in ports and in FreeBSD Search Services to no avail. ppmtoxpm converts a portable pixmap into an X11 pixmap. Is there a freebsd equivalent or alternative? -- david ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

#!/bin/sh # # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. # PROVIDE: precedence # REQUIRE: vboxheadless # BEFORE: samba : Make it executable. Note -- the ':' does seem to be necessary. thank you for help. I will test it when being on place and could reboot. But still - do you know why it i

Re: where's ppmtoxpm

I have searched for ppmtoxpm in ports and in FreeBSD Search Services to no avail. ppmtoxpm converts a portable pixmap into an X11 pixmap. Is there a freebsd equivalent or alternative? No equivalent just the same netpbm package /usr/ports/graphics/netpbm

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

And why you think it's not better then gcc? because - as you already should know - test shows otherwise. As well as FreeBSD running predictable with gcc anyway. Still theory and ideology. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.fr

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

[ Semi-apologies to all for being blunt, and possibly somewhat offensive. ] [ More tactful approaches have been shown to be ineffective, and Wojceich ] [ has a demonstrated propensity to blather on as though he knows more ] [ about everything than anyone else.

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Jun 20 03:51:43 2012 > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:51:04 +0200 (CEST) > From: Wojciech Puchar > To: Matthew Seaman > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/* > > > > > Create a new fil

MSI-X limitation in freebsd 8.2

Hi, MSI-x supports upto 2048 vectors but what I see in freebsd 8.2 is that when I use more than ~30 vectors, system becomes dead slow. Is there a limitation on number of msi vectors that can be used in 8.2? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list h

Re: Why Clang

On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote: BSDL in opposite is often criticized a "rape me license". No, it is not, except perhaps by lying atheist Marxist bastards and his religious adherents. Please don't use "atheist" as a derogatory term. There are plenty of capitalistic

Re: Why Clang

I am also a newcomer and I agree with Stephen. But I guess the only way is to simply ignore those who make such statements. I don't see much benefit in arguing or reasoning with them. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Stephen Cook wrote: > On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:

Re: Why Clang

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:04:47 +0200 Fred Morcos articulated: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Stephen Cook > wrote: > > On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote: > >>> > >>> BSDL in opposite is often criticized a "rape me license". > >> > >> No, it is not, except perhaps by lyin

X broken - top quarter of the screen not updated by *some* programs - EXA/XAA issue?

Hi This is on HP Compaq 6715s laptop, amd64, r236740M. At some point (prior to the recent png- triggered update) I started seeing this strainge behaviour: The top part of the screen, about 1/4, is not updated by some windows, and the exact behaviour is affected by Option "AccelMethod". For examp

Re: Why Clang

Really, this format of discussion is rather exception than rule (from my experience). Nothing wrong with productive flaming for me, but it's just not typical code of conduct in FreeBSD mailing list at all. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/Why-Clang-tp5715861

Re: Why Clang

I'm a relative newcomer. Are the FreeBSD mailing lists always this flame-y? I no. it is temporary. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-que

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:45:07 +0100 Matthew Seaman wrote: > #!/bin/sh > # > # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. > > # PROVIDE: precedence > # REQUIRE: vboxheadless > # BEFORE: samba > > : > > Make it executable. Note -- the ':' does seem to be necessary. Why? None of the dummy scrip

Re: Why Clang

A somewhat haphazardly search of the postings in this forum would seem to indicate that any post questioning the ethics or usefulness of FreeBSD as compared to other operating systems that elicit six or more strange but usefulness of FreeBSD wasn't questioned. By the way Fred, please don't "T

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

But still - do you know why it is necessary? An explanation written some 80 years ago; 'Because that way it will work'. if you don't have anything to say - just don't do it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mail

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

still not stopped personal attacks (last part of last sentence) but lets forget. Fact; that was NOT a personal attack. Your entire line of reasoning so far has been about -your- preferences, and things as you see them, for _your_ What is specifically my preference? 1) Your opinion about th

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:47:29 +0100 RW articulated: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:45:07 +0100 > Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > #!/bin/sh > > # > > # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. > > > > # PROVIDE: precedence > > # REQUIRE: vboxheadless > > # BEFORE: samba > > > > : > > > > Make it execu

Need latest xorg

Hi FreeBSD - I have an AMD HD 7950 video card so I am trying to install the latest FreeBSD xorg available (7.5.2) for an updated driver. When I start make the install immediately stops at MesaLib-7.6.1.tar.gz. I can restart it on a primary using the location given then after a short time

Re: Why Clang

Really, this format of discussion is rather exception than rule (from my experience). or rather - discussion is a rule :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send

Re: Why Clang

On 20.06.2012 13:45, Jakub Lach wrote: Really, this format of discussion is rather exception than rule (from my experience). Nothing wrong with productive flaming for me, but it's just not typical code of conduct in FreeBSD mailing list at all. Actually I can't remember any flame-war about sys

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

Wojciech Puchar wrote: And why you think it's not better then gcc? because - as you already should know - test shows otherwise. Test show only that clang-compiled binaries are still subject for improvement. It doesn't show how strict and clear this binary is. As well as FreeBSD running p

Re: Why Clang

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:48:15 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: > > A somewhat haphazardly search of the postings in this forum would > > seem to indicate that any post questioning the ethics or usefulness > > of FreeBSD as compared to other operating systems that elicit six > > or more >

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

speed estimates. there are a difference between speed estimate and actual speed - and i talk about the latter only. Besides, NetBSD and OpenBSD has already selected and using pcc now. And they are fine with that one. their problem. ___ freebsd-que

Re: Why Clang

Nothing wrong with productive flaming for me, but it's just not typical code of conduct in FreeBSD mailing list at all. Actually I can't remember any flame-war about system compilers - this is the first one. because such situation like now never happened - changing C compiler to much worse bec

Flaming mailing lists (was Re: Why Clang)

On Wednesday 20 June 2012 12:59:51 Stephen Cook wrote: > On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote: [snip childish invective] > I'm a relative newcomer. Are the FreeBSD mailing lists always this > flame-y? I realize that this particular post might be trolling / satire No, they are

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

On 6/20/12 11:09 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 20/06/2012 09:51, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> Create a new file in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/precedence with the following >>> contents: >>> >>> #!/bin/sh >>> # >>> # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. >>> >>> # PROVIDE: precedence >>> # REQU

New to FreeBSD - Some questions

Hello all, I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all in a single email message or should I split them by subject/topic into different emai

Re: Flaming mailing lists (was Re: Why Clang)

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > On Wednesday 20 June 2012 12:59:51 Stephen Cook wrote: >> On 6/19/2012 4:06 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote: > > [snip childish invective] > >> I'm a relative newcomer. Are the FreeBSD mailing lists always this >> flame-y? I realize

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

On 6/20/12 2:32 PM, Fred Morcos wrote: > Hello all, > > I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most > comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would > like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all > in a single email message or sho

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

On 20/06/2012 12:47, RW wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:45:07 +0100 > Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> #!/bin/sh >> # >> # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. >> >> # PROVIDE: precedence >> # REQUIRE: vboxheadless >> # BEFORE: samba >> >> : >> >> Make it executable. Note -- the ':' does seem t

Re: Why Clang

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Wojciech Puchar < woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > Nothing wrong with productive flaming for me, >>> but it's just not typical code of conduct in FreeBSD >>> mailing list at all. >>> >> Actually I can't remember any flame-war about system compilers - this i

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:02:48 -0400 Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:47:29 +0100 > RW articulated: > > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:45:07 +0100 > > Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > > > #!/bin/sh > > > # > > > # Persuade vboxheadless to start before samba. > > > > > > # PROVIDE: precedence > > > # RE

Re: Attaching a monitor via vga

Allow me to mention an additional approach (but I think using xrandr is fine - it sometimes works where "bare X" fails). Depending on the options of the GPU in your laptop, you can use /etc/rc.conf to make specific settings depending on what "connector" (internal dotmatrix display, external VGA, b

List flames (was Re: Why Clang)

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, Stephen Cook wrote: I'm a relative newcomer. Are the FreeBSD mailing lists always this flame-y? I realize that this particular post might be trolling / satire, but others in the thread (and other unrelated threads recently) are a FAR CRY from the technical support and disc

Re: Need latest xorg

On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 08:02 -0400, Lynn Steven Killingsworth wrote: > Hi FreeBSD - > > I have an AMD HD 7950 video card so I am trying to install the latest > FreeBSD xorg available (7.5.2) for an updated driver. > Please let me know how well this (or doesn't) works. I have been looking at the

Re: Attaching a monitor via vga

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 08:52:58PM -0400, David Tilbrook wrote: I have a thinkpad t61p running freebsd9.0. The window size is 1680x1050 -- a reasonable size -- but the screen itself is 38cm. (15") which is irritatingly small for my old eyes. So I want t

Re: where's ppmtoxpm

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012, David Tilbrook wrote: I have searched for ppmtoxpm in ports and in FreeBSD Search Services to no avail. ppmtoxpm converts a portable pixmap into an X11 pixmap. Is there a freebsd equivalent or alternative? In the ports, graphics/netpbm. __

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

Wojciech, Why not make FreeBSD better for everyone by cooperating with the CLANG project? 1. Find simple programs with severe performance issues 2. Report to the CLANG developers 3. They fix, tweak, and tune the compiler 4. FreeBSD imports latest release 5. Everybody wins

Re: Why Clang

Polytropon wrote: > I assume it's just an aspect of "still being too young" in > regards of missing the difference between freedom and > anarchy: the right to extend one's freedom is limited > as soon as it limits the freedom of others. Maybe another > aspect is the lack of discussion culture and t

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

Hi, On Wednesday 20 June 2012 19:32:24 Fred Morcos wrote: > > I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most > comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would > like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all > in a single email message o

Re: Why Clang

They could be reduced by a combo. of eg: - forcible unsub, & black list, - block of anon. remailer domains - making this list "subscribtion required before posting". (which would make it harder for newbies fresh to FreeBSD, but we need some

Re: Why Clang

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> Nothing wrong with productive flaming for me, >>> but it's just not typical code of conduct in FreeBSD >>> mailing list at all. >> >> Actually I can't remember any flame-war about system compilers - this is >> the first one. > > > because

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all in a single email message or should I split them by subject/topic into different emails? split

Re: Why Clang

it is only a proof that it was decided to put it as FreeBSD default compiler. Everything is said, explained and discusse why this decision is made.. So Explanation about "the decision was already made" isn't explanation. but i don't require any explanation. actually i don't require anything.

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

Why not make FreeBSD better for everyone by cooperating with the CLANG project? because we already have great compiler - GCC. In spite of using GPL licence. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/free

Re: Why Clang

licensed gcc or b) A maintained and current GPLv3 gcc with GPLv3 licensed libc. FreeBSD doesn't use GNU libc. am i missing something? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscri

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:43:14 -0500, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Why not make FreeBSD better for everyone by cooperating with the CLANG project? because we already have great compiler - GCC. In spite of using GPL licence. GCC performs well, but it is a very messy undocumented codebase which

Re: Why Clang

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:42:34 -0500, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Politics won over performance and quality. sad. Performing compiler does not mean quality codebase. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: Why Clang

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> licensed gcc or b) A maintained and current GPLv3 gcc with GPLv3 >> licensed libc. > > FreeBSD doesn't use GNU libc. am i missing something? > No they don't :) It is good that they don't. Why? Because of the changes from GPLv2 to GPLv3

Re: packet filter problem on transparent firewall using bridge and pf

> 2012/6/20 Erik Osterholm : > > > Try adding logging to the rules, enable pflog, and see which rule is blocking. > > Erik hmm I discovered some things from log. Even if the packet hit a rule ( pass in quick on bridge0 ) , the packet still is blocked by block out rule ( block out on brid

Re: Why Clang

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 06:45:16AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>>but not to be turned into closed source products. > >> > >>What a lying sonofabitch. That is not called freedom. That is called > >>"forcible, viral open source". I think we can all see the difference. Open > >>your motherfucking

Re: Why Clang

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 04:44:50PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >licensed gcc or b) A maintained and current GPLv3 gcc with GPLv3 > >licensed libc. > FreeBSD doesn't use GNU libc. am i missing something? Yes. Users are not identical to the FreeBSD base system. -- Chad Perrin [ original conte

Re: Why Clang

This just keeps going on... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

packet cannot pass bridge sometimes ....

( untrust ) --- ( em0 , bridge0 , em1 ) --- ( trust ) os version: 9.0-p3 I disable firewall , just run bridge function, and I bind a ip on em0. Sometimes , I cannot connect to server ( in trust zone ) from untrust. Then, I ping some ip from the server ( in trust ) to a host ( in untrust ). Sudde

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> still not stopped personal attacks (last part of last sentence) but lets >>> forget. >> >> >> Fact; that was NOT a personal attack.  Your entire line of reasoning so >> far >> has been about -your- preferences, and things as you see them,

Re: packet filter problem on transparent firewall using bridge and pf

I have another problem . >_< Sometimes , I cannot connect to server ( in trust zone ) from untrust. Even I turn off the firewall, the situation still come up. But, when the state appears, I ping some ip from the server ( in trust ) to a host ( in untrust ). Suddenly, I connect to the server

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

20.06.2012 18:47, Mark Felder пишет: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:43:14 -0500, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: > >>> Why not make FreeBSD better for everyone by cooperating with the >>> CLANG project? >> >> because we already have great compiler - GCC. In spite of using GPL >> licence. > > GCC performs well,

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 06:46:20AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >>How about leaving politics and getting back to technical grounds? > > > >what is the problem as long as gcc is in the ports tree? > > what is a problem as clang is in the ports tree? I can think of at least one big reason: t

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 02:02:35PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>still not stopped personal attacks (last part of last sentence) but lets > >>forget. > > > >Fact; that was NOT a personal attack. Your entire line of reasoning so far > >has been about -your- preferences, and things as you see th

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:09:23AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >1. gcc will still be available through the ports system. > > As well as clang is available in ports. not an argument. No, it's not an argument all by itself. It's *part* of an argument. > > > >2. The move to clang/llvm as a de

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:14:09PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >And why you think it's not better then gcc? > > because - as you already should know - test shows otherwise. You just ignored everything Volodymyr Kostyrko said about the other factors that are also important for a compiler b

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 02:16:43PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >speed estimates. > > there are a difference between speed estimate and actual speed - and > i talk about the latter only. You're talking about poorly managed benchmarks that are imprecise and prone to fluctuation, applying only to

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

> Besides, NetBSD and OpenBSD has already selected and using pcc now. And > they are fine with that one. I wish that or something like that were true, but pcc is dead even in OpenBSD packages/ports. There was just some discussion on misc@ I am hoping for the day gcc is only used on Linux and ma

Re: Attaching a monitor via vga

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 07:27:33AM -0600, Warren Block wrote: > > Adding a new mode should not be needed for most monitors. I do this > to set up the external video: > > xrandr --output VGA --above LVDS > > That's to span a single desktop over both monitors. > > Some desktop environments hav

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:32:24 +0200, Fred Morcos wrote: > Hello all, > > I am new to FreeBSD, coming from a GNU/Linux background (most > comfortable with Archlinux). I compiled a series of questions I would > like to ask in different areas and categories. Should I send them all in > a single email

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

These are good guidelines to follow: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/article.html Try to avoid X Y problems. Initiating it with the root question will give the best results. On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Fred Morcos wrote: > Hello all, > > I am new to

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

I'm quite new to FreeBSD too (RHEL/Fedora background), and am most impressed with it so far. rather huge difference. Secondly (and probably stating the obvious), the handbook is the place I always look first. and third - manuals. T

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

I wish that or something like that were true, but pcc is dead even in OpenBSD packages/ports. There was just some discussion on misc@ I am hoping for the day gcc is only used on Linux and many free compilers are used everywhere else. me too. but first we need to have Free compiler that would be

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > Will i be able to compile FreeBSD base system with gcc after some time? > not sure. Why is that so important for you? -- chs, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd

Re: Why Clang

I have some friends that develop software. They had released it under GNU umbrella. Later on, other folks were taking advantage and not isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really own this and even you cannot use it in closed source software?

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

wrote: Will i be able to compile FreeBSD base system with gcc after some time? not sure. Why is that so important for you? if you would read even less than carefully the topic you will get the answer. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> wrote: >>> >>> Will i be able to compile FreeBSD base system with gcc after some time? >>> not sure. >> >> >> Why is that so important for you? > > if you would read even less than carefully the topic you will get the > answer. No, I do

Re: seems i cannot fully understand {/,/usr/local/}/etc/rc.d/*

> From: Wojciech Puchar > > >> But still - do you know why it is necessary? > > > > An explanation written some 80 years ago; > > 'Because that way it will work'. > if you don't have anything to say - just don't do it. practice what you preach. ___ fre

Re: Why Clang

On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:06:31 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > I have some friends that develop software. They had released it under > > GNU umbrella. Later on, other folks were taking advantage and not > > isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really own > this a

Re: Why Clang

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:06:31PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >I have some friends that develop software. They had released it under > >GNU umbrella. Later on, other folks were taking advantage and not > > isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really > own this and e

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:07:09PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > wrote: > >>Will i be able to compile FreeBSD base system with gcc after some time? > >>not sure. > > > >Why is that so important for you? > if you would read even less than carefully the topic you will get > the answer. I'll try

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 08:40:56PM +0400, Евгений Лактанов wrote: > 20.06.2012 18:47, Mark Felder пишет: > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:43:14 -0500, Wojciech Puchar > > wrote: > >> [attribution lost by Wojciech Puchar and I'm too lazy to check] > >>> > >>> Why not make FreeBSD better for everyone by c

Fwd: Need latest xorg

I don't seem to have generated much comment. I suspect you are thinking as I do that if your servers don't immediately download then their is a bandit on my Internet line?? --- Forwarded message --- From: "Lynn Steven Killingsworth" To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Cc: Subject: N

Re: Need latest xorg

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Lynn Steven Killingsworth < blue.seahorse.syndic...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't seem to have generated much comment. > > I suspect you are thinking as I do that if your servers don't immediately > download then their is a bandit on my Internet line?? > > > > > New

No sound in Flash

FreeBSD 9 (x86_64). Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I have googled assiduously and found nothing useful. I have installed Flash, following the instructions in the handbook. It works well, and the video element seems fine and smooth. But on (for example) YouTube, there is no audio at all. This is d

Re: Why Clang

isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really own this and even you cannot use it in closed source software? Releasing something as GPL does not mean you give up copyright. If I understood this whole thing correctly, I'm not a lawyer but i repeat what i've read time ago,

Re: Why Clang

isn't it that once you release your own work as GPL you don't really own this and even you cannot use it in closed source software? When you license something, you still own the copyright. You can then release it under other licenses as well, and for versions you have modified you can release

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

21.06.2012 01:14, Chad Perrin пишет: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 08:40:56PM +0400, Евгений Лактанов wrote: >> 20.06.2012 18:47, Mark Felder пишет: >>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:43:14 -0500, Wojciech Puchar >>> wrote: [attribution lost by Wojciech Puchar and I'm too lazy to check] > Why not mak

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