Re: mergemaster -U ask for a lot non-user modified files

2011-02-24 Thread David Demelier
On 24/02/2011 07:05, Matthew Seaman wrote: On 23/02/2011 22:14, Lowell Gilbert wrote: David Demelier writes: I also noticed that even with the -F flag, mergemaster still asks for files that only differs by CVS id, see : -# $FreeBSD: src/etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc,v 1.37.2.2.2.1 2010/06/14

Re: mergemaster -U ask for a lot non-user modified files

2011-02-24 Thread Arthur Chance
On 02/24/11 06:05, Matthew Seaman wrote: [Snip mergemaster options discussion.] Doing this certainly works for me -- frequently the only file I get asked about is /etc/motd And if you don't care about updating /etc/motd (the first line is automagically updated every boot anyway) add IGNORE_

Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2

2011-02-24 Thread nikitha
Hi, Could you plz share the information on the maximum number of routes that can be added (by default) in FREEBSD 8.0/7.2 kernel? In Linux the sysctl rt_max_size is used. Is there a similar tunable parameter in freeBSD? Your earliest reply in this regard is much appreciated. Thanks for any inputs

Re: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2

2011-02-24 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 2/24/11 3:00 PM, nikitha wrote: > Hi, > Could you plz share the information on the maximum number of routes that can > be added (by default) in FREEBSD 8.0/7.2 kernel? > In Linux the sysctl rt_max_size is used. Is there a similar tunable > parameter in freeBSD? > > Your earliest reply in this r

HAL's demise

2011-02-24 Thread Jerry
Excerpt from freedesktop.org mailing list: Also, "is going away" is a bit of an understatement, it's really quite dead. GNOME switched over a year ago, KDE and XFCE finished the transition a couple of months back (see [1]). The major distros don't even install it by default any more, or at least

RE: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2

2011-02-24 Thread Gary Gatten
Sysctl -a lists "all" options. This MAY be what you want: net.inet.ip.rtmaxcache - Upper limit on dynamically learned routes http://people.freebsd.org/~hmp/utilities/satbl/sysctl-net.html HTH Gary -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-que

Re: HAL's demise

2011-02-24 Thread Warren Block
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Jerry wrote: Is FreeBSD now "HAL" free or is it still a requirement? I still have it activated via "/etc/rc.conf" If it is not needed, I would be happy to remove the entry. It's not a requirement. You can build xorg-server without it, and there are other mechanisms avail

upgrading apr from v0 to v1 via portupgrade?

2011-02-24 Thread Aleksandr Miroslav
I recently moved my server to a new box and in the process of doing that, I upgraded from FreeBSD 7.3 to 8.1. When I say I moved, I mean I backed up all my personal data (databases, config values, etc.), made a list of all packages, and installed an identical box with the same pacakges. Recently

Re: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2

2011-02-24 Thread Nikos Vassiliadis
On 2/24/2011 4:51 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 2/24/11 3:00 PM, nikitha wrote: Hi, Could you plz share the information on the maximum number of routes that can be added (by default) in FREEBSD 8.0/7.2 kernel? In Linux the sysctl rt_max_size is used. Is there a similar tunable parameter in freeB

Re: upgrading apr from v0 to v1 via portupgrade?

2011-02-24 Thread ill...@gmail.com
On 24 February 2011 11:09, Aleksandr Miroslav wrote: > I recently moved my server to a new box and in the process of doing > that, I upgraded from FreeBSD 7.3 to 8.1. > > When I say I moved, I mean I backed up all my personal data (databases, > config values, etc.), made a list of all packages, an

Re: How to forward old root mails to an external email address?

2011-02-24 Thread David Brodbeck
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Bill Tillman wrote: > Yes, but in the good ol' USA it's all about the money. They will not let me do > anything like this unless I pay more to upgrade my service. The wierd thing is > that once in a blue moon my IP address will change. Then I can send e-mail > for

Re: Tuning routing table size in FreeBSD 8.0 and 7.2

2011-02-24 Thread nikitha
Thank you all, for your timely reply.. To answer Niko's question: Just i'm doing some performance/stress testing of a freebsd router.. :-) -Sumi On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > On 2/24/2011 4:51 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > >> On 2/24/11 3:00 PM, nikitha wrote: >> >

Re: HAL's demise

2011-02-24 Thread Edwin L. Culp W.
2011/2/24 Warren Block : > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Jerry wrote: > >> Is FreeBSD now "HAL" free or is it still a requirement? I still have it >> activated via "/etc/rc.conf" If it is not needed, I would be happy to >> remove the entry. > > It's not a requirement.  You can build xorg-server without it,

8.1-p2 uart appears hopelessly broken

2011-02-24 Thread Lars Eighner
Through the years I have become accustomed to having to have a hardware modem. 7.2 sio correctly identifies my modem as a 3-COM PCI FAX/MODEM and correct identifies the chip as 16550A. In 8.1 uart calls the same device an unstandard ns8250 uart. Nonetheless, tun0 can fireup at boot. But it is

How to push privoxy traffic through squid?

2011-02-24 Thread Ed Flecko
Hi folks, I have squid installed and working fine using its default settings; if I set my browser proxy to the server address:3128 , everything works fine. I've edited the Privoxy config file and commented out: debug 1 # Log the destination for each request Privoxy let through. debug 1

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Andres Perera zoho.com> writes: > > Nowadays all shells supports $() so I advise you to use it :). > > no, not all shells support $() They do, it’s mandated by POSIX. There’s no reason to support the accidentally non-combining accent gravis (so-called “backtick”¹) any more, unless you specifica

Re: variable line-display pager?

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Gary Kline thought.org> writes: > For instance, say that my xterm/console/"Konsole" is 80x53 lines. > My text file is around 200 lines long and I want to use more or less > or some GUI pager to display only 15 lines at one time. Tapping the > space bar would display another 15 lines and so on u

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Andres Perera zoho.com> writes: > >> > Nowadays all shells supports $() so I advise you to use it :). >> >> no, not all shells support $() > > They do, it’s mandated by POSIX. There’s no reason to support the > accidentally non-combining a

Re: HAL's demise

2011-02-24 Thread Rob Farmer
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Edwin L. Culp W. wrote: > Sounded like a good idea to me but ;) > > pkg_deinstall hal-0.5.14_12 > --->  Deinstalling 'hal-0.5.14_12' > pkg_delete: package 'hal-0.5.14_12' is required by these other packages That list is recursive - kdelibs4 depends on hal, then o

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Andres Perera zoho.com> writes: > "mandated by posix" and reality usually aren't in sync, as i'm sure you know by In this case, closely enough. > now since you pointed out solaris It’s just /bin/sh on long outdated versions (newer ones, both from Horracle and not, have AT&T ksh93 there instea

Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid?

2011-02-24 Thread Ed Flecko
Thanks Berk, Nope...no dice, that won't work either. More suggestions??? :-) Ed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@f

Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid?

2011-02-24 Thread Berk Gulenler
On 02/24/2011 10:09 PM, Ed Flecko wrote: Hi folks, I have squid installed and working fine using its default settings; if I set my browser proxy to the server address:3128 , everything works fine. I've edited the Privoxy config file and commented out: debug 1 # Log the destination for

Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid?

2011-02-24 Thread Berk Gulenler
On 02/24/2011 10:09 PM, Ed Flecko wrote: Hi folks, I have squid installed and working fine using its default settings; if I set my browser proxy to the server address:3128 , everything works fine. I've edited the Privoxy config file and commented out: debug 1 # Log the destination for

Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid?

2011-02-24 Thread RW
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 12:09:04 -0800 Ed Flecko wrote: > Hi folks, > I have squid installed and working fine using its default settings; if > I set my browser proxy to the server address:3128 , everything works > fine. > ... > and I've added: > > listen-address 127.0.0.1:8118 > > and > > forwar

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Rob Farmer
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Andres Perera zoho.com> writes: > >> "mandated by posix" and reality usually aren't in sync, as i'm sure you know > by > > In this case, closely enough. > >> now since you pointed out solaris > > It’s just /bin/sh on long outdated version

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Rob Farmer predatorlabs.net> writes: > Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? tcsh is not a shell. Well, it’s an interactive command line interpreter, not a bad one compared to what else is offered at that, but… http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ bye, //mirab

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:02:22 -0800 Rob Farmer articulated: > Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? > > [rfarmer@sapphire] ~> echo $(date ) > Illegal variable name. Since I use Bash as my default shell, I never suffer from that problem. I was wondering if anyone had ever files

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:02:22 -0800 > Rob Farmer articulated: > >> Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? >> >> [rfarmer@sapphire] ~> echo $(date ) >> Illegal variable name. > > Since I use Bash as my default shell, I never suffer f

how to enable "sticky keys" in xorg?

2011-02-24 Thread Neil Short
can "sticky keys" (SHIFT. ALT and CTRL hold until the next key is pressed) be enabled in x11-input.fdi? I wish to enable this accessibility option without resorting to KDE or GNOME. == ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http:/

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Rob Farmer
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Rob Farmer predatorlabs.net> writes: > >> Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? > > tcsh is not a shell. Well, it’s an interactive command line > interpreter, not a bad one compared to what else is offered > at that, but

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Rob Farmer dixit: >(New) people will still copy and paste commands into an interactive >tcsh That’s a FreeBSD® specific issue though. Other operating systems did the sensible thing ages ago ☺ Even then, I tend to disagree here. There’s the common use of ‘% ’ and ‘$ ’ (and ‘# ’ but we use sudo(8)

Re: How to push privoxy traffic through squid?

2011-02-24 Thread Ed Flecko
Gentlemen, I think I have it! https://www.antagonism.org/web/squid-proxy.shtml The key is to add: cache_peer localhost parent 8118 0 default no-query no-digest no-netdb-exchange never_direct allow all to the squid.conf file (/usr/local/etc/squid/squid.conf) and have squid re-read its .conf file

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:36:37PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Rob Farmer dixit: > > > >(New) people will still copy and paste commands into an interactive > >tcsh > > That’s a FreeBSD® specific issue though. Other operating systems > did the sensible thing ages ago ☺ What exactly is "the sen

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread ill...@gmail.com
On 24 February 2011 16:05, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Rob Farmer predatorlabs.net> writes: > >> Have you used the default FreeBSD shell (tcsh) recently? > > tcsh is not a shell. Well, it’s an interactive command line > interpreter, not a bad one compared to what else is offered > at that, but… > >

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Chad Perrin apotheon.com> writes: > > That’s a FreeBSD® specific issue though. Other operating systems > > did the sensible thing ages ago ☺ > > What exactly is "the sensible thing"? http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/user/ user.c.diff?r1=1.116&r2=1.117&only_with_tag=MAIN http://

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:59:40PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Chad Perrin apotheon.com> writes: > > > > That’s a FreeBSD® specific issue though. Other operating systems > > > did the sensible thing ages ago ☺ > > > > What exactly is "the sensible thing"? > > http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Chad Perrin apotheon.com> writes: > 1. You think some measure of popularity of a decision makes it correct. No. > 2. You don't like (t)csh. No. I just point out it’s not a suitable scripting shell. > 3. You think your opinions are so self-evident that everybody will just > immediately underst

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > What we have not yet determined is: > > 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? > > -- > Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Though I dislike the OP's dismissal of backticks, I must admit that I would pr

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800, Rob Farmer wrote: > (New) people will still copy and paste commands into an interactive > tcsh, so it is a good idea to be compatible when posting stuff to the > mailing lists, etc. if possible. There was something on the ports@ > list a while back, about PRs fo

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:34:25PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Chad Perrin apotheon.com> writes: > > > > 1. You think some measure of popularity of a decision makes it correct. > > No. Why do you substitute others' email messages for an actual, direct response to my question, then? > > > >

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 24/02/2011 22:39, Chip Camden wrote: > I suppose I could change root to /bin/sh, but that doesn't even > have command recall. set -o emacs Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Matthew Seaman on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > On 24/02/2011 22:39, Chip Camden wrote: > > I suppose I could change root to /bin/sh, but that doesn't even > > have command recall. > > set -o emacs > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil.

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 02:39:24PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > > > What we have not yet determined is: > > > > 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? > > Though I dislike the OP's dismissal of backticks, I must admit that I > would prefer tha

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:58:34 -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Thanks for that -- though I'll go with: > > set -o vi > > TYVM. I didn't know /bin/sh supported those modes. It's hardly known as /bin/sh is _not_ used for interactive comunication regularly, as it's basically the system's standard sc

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:40:44PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800, Rob Farmer > wrote: > > > > I've read it before. Who hasn't? > > I haven't. :-) While reading it, just keep this in mind: It's about "programming" in csh. It's not about using csh as an interact

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? mksh is better than tcsh for everything ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubsc

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:54:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:40:44PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:24:37 -0800, Rob Farmer > > wrote: > > > > > > I've read it before. Who hasn't? > > > > I haven't. :-) > > While reading it, just keep this in mind:

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Andres Perera, Am 2011-02-20 22:19:49, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > that's not true :-D > echo `echo 1\`echo 2\\\`echo 3\\\`echo 4\\\`\\\`\`` Backslash Orgies! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack -- # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

RE: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Gary Gatten
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Polytropon Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 5:13 PM To: Chad Perrin Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:54:25 -0700

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 06:42:18PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > 1. Is it a good idea to replace (t)csh? > > mksh is better than tcsh for everything Thank you for your opinion, but it's just an opinion with no explanation, logic, or evi

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:18:03PM -0600, Gary Gatten wrote: > > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. It does > everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't > require any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't use any > memory or other reso

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period.  It does > everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow.  It doesn't > require any upgrades, ever.  It's 100% secure.  It doesn't use any > memory or other resources, $hit

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Gary Gatten on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. It does > everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It doesn't require > any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. It doesn't use any memory or other > resources, $hit,

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:00:11PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period.  It does > > everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow.  It doesn't > > require any upgrades, ever.  

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 03:32:04PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Gary Gatten on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > > > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. It > > does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. It > > doesn't require any upgrades, ever. It

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:18:03 -0600, Gary Gatten wrote: > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. > It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. > It doesn't require any upgrades, ever. It's 100% secure. > It doesn't use any memory or other resources, $

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:00:11PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: >> > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period.  It does >> > everything you can possibly think of today a

RE: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Gary Gatten
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chad Perrin Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 5:26 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backtick versus $() On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 03:32:04PM -0800, Chip

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 03:32:04PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > > Quoth Gary Gatten on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > > > > > Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. It > > > does everything you can possibly think of today an

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:18:03 -0600, Gary Gatten wrote: >> Everyone is wrong! "pfmsh" is the best at everything, period. >> It does everything you can possibly think of today and tomorrow. >> It doesn't require any upgrades, ever.  It's 100% sec

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:15:22 -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > funny how you point out trivialities and go on to mention one yourself For an interactive command line shell, it's the "trivialities" that count - for _me_, which indicates that other persons may have very different preferences and requir

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > So far, your complaints translate to "Well, sure, for every concrete > > (t)csh problem I've identified, mksh has similar problems, but it's > > better because I like it." >

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
I'll try to help make it easy for you, since you seem to be having a lot of trouble grasping the concept of actually trying to make a point via logical argument and presentation of evidence: Start with the Wikipedia page comparing command shells [0]. Look through the various tables there -- feel

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: >> > >> > So far, your complaints translate to "Well, sure, for every concrete >> > (t)csh problem I've identified, mksh has

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > I'll try to help make it easy for you, since you seem to be having a lot > of trouble grasping the concept of actually trying to make a point via > logical argument and presentation of evidence: > > Start with the Wikipedia page comparing comma

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: [snip] > > no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of WIKIPEDIA > you DROOLING BUFFOON > [snip] > if you disagree then you are retarded and the exchange concludes > [snip] Resorting to personal insults doesn't help ma

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > [snip] >> >> no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of WIKIPEDIA >> you DROOLING BUFFOON >> > [snip] > >> if you disagree then you are retarded and the exchange co

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:09:21PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > >> > >> the author of vi, who is also the author of csh regards it as poor code > > > > Good for him. > > let's

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread ill...@gmail.com
On 24 February 2011 17:39, Chip Camden wrote: . . . > Though I dislike the OP's dismissal of backticks, I must admit that I > would prefer that the standard shell be at least Bourne-compatible.  I > use csh for root for all the reasons that you shouldn't change your root > shell.  I suppose I coul

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:14:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > I'll try to help make it easy for you, since you seem to be having a > > lot of trouble grasping the concept of actually trying to make a > > point via logical argument and p

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:36:53PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden > wrote: > > Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > > > [snip] > >> > >> no, let's start by looking at the SOURCE CODE REPOSITORY instead of > >> WIKIPEDIA you DROOLING BUF

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:09:21PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: >> > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:55PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: >> >> >> >> the author of vi, who is also the author of c

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 08:36:53PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden >> wrote: >> > Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: >> > >> > [snip] >> >> >> >> no, let's start by looking at the SOU

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > > > That wasn't me.  I could make some insulting references to failings of > > yours that resulted in this mistake on your part, but I really do not > > think that's necessary.  It is much more fun to just watch you > > self-destruct. > > it d

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:15:30PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > > it doesn't matter if it wasn't you > > if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the same person I see. Suggesting that slinging insults makes him retarded. You are naught but a troll. Killfiled. -- Chad Perrin [ o

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > You are naught but a troll.  Killfiled. actually im the only person that bothered explaining the 2 noobs at the start of the thread how shell works then a buncha jokers started talking about tcsh you are the trolls that aren't contributing e

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:57:08PM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: > Quoth Andres Perera on Thursday, 24 February 2011: > > > > > > That wasn't me.  I could make some insulting references to failings > > > of yours that resulted in this mistake on your part, but I really > > > do not think that's necessa

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:23PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:15:30PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: > > > > it doesn't matter if it wasn't you > > > > if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the same person > > I see. Suggesting that slinging insults makes

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 07:12:23PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 09:15:30PM -0430, Andres Perera wrote: >> > >> > it doesn't matter if it wasn't you >> > >> > if you're all retarded then you are all effectively the same p

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Rob Farmer
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Andres Perera wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden > wrote: >> >> -- >> Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F >> http://chipsquips.com  | http://camdensoftware.com   | http://chipstips.com >> > > btw, would you stop

Re: Backtick versus $()

2011-02-24 Thread Andres Perera
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Andres Perera wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Chip Camden >> wrote: >>> >>> -- >>> Sterling (Chip) Camden | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F >>> http://chipsquips.com  | http://camdensof

Re: HAL's demise

2011-02-24 Thread Warren Block
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Edwin L. Culp W. wrote: 2011/2/24 Warren Block : On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Jerry wrote: Is FreeBSD now "HAL" free or is it still a requirement? I still have it activated via "/etc/rc.conf" If it is not needed, I would be happy to remove the entry. It's not a requirement.  Yo

Re: upgrading apr from v0 to v1 via portupgrade?

2011-02-24 Thread Warren Block
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011, Aleksandr Miroslav wrote: Recently I noticed that somehow I am on apr-0.9.19.0.9.19. On my old box, I was on apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db47-1.4.2.1.3.10. See the 20100518 entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING. Well, the apr one, anyway.

FreeBSD 8.1 iSCSI CHAP with header and data digest

2011-02-24 Thread Dean E. Weimer
I am trying to connect my FreeBSD 8.1 system to a FreeNAS server hosting an iSCSI drive. I can successfully connect if I disable header and data digests, but can't seem to get a connection using header and data digests to succeed. I know the FreeNAS side is correct because I was able to conn

Strange behavior of MTU on loopback interfaces.

2011-02-24 Thread c0re
Hello all! I'm testing setting lower MTU on loopback interfaces to avoid some MTU problems with IPSEC in a path of traffic. ifconfig lo1 create ifconfig lo1 mtu 1300 ifconfig lo1 5.5.5.5/32 # ifconfig lo1 lo1: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 1300 inet 5.5.5.5 netmask 0x #ifconfig em0 em