> I've set freebsd-chat as follow-up
Me too.
Postings about copyright etc too numerous/ boring/ ignorant/ irrelevant,
Too much focus on American law that does not apply to many
of us on this international list, eg Bernt H's Sweden, my bases
of Britain & Germany, & 190+ other non USA countr
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 02:25:52AM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> 2011-06-17 18:28, Chad Perrin skrev:
> >
> >The fact this is not applicable everywhere is the reason for things
> >like the CC0 waiver, however.
>
> What is CC0?
http://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/
--
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2011-06-17 18:28, Chad Perrin skrev:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:22:31AM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:
2011-06-17 06:53, Adam Vande More skrev:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote:
Copyright you get without registration and without payment, and one
can't give it up.
Again, re
I think this thread has wandered pretty far from having anything at all to do
with freebsd.
Please find a more appropriate place for this discussion.
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On 6/18/11 10:36 AM, Jerry McAllister wrote:
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 03:28:24PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi
wrote:
I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and have a
notary public 'witness' the signature.
True.
Without
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 03:28:24PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi
> wrote:
> > I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and have a
> > notary public 'witness' the signature.
>
> True.
>
> Without the service of a public registry
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
>> From cpgh...@cordula.ws Sat Jun 18 08:28:25 2011
>> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:28:24 +0200
>> Subject: Re: free sco unix
>> From: "C. P. Ghost"
>> To: Robert Bonomi
>> Cc: freebsd-quest
> From cpgh...@cordula.ws Sat Jun 18 08:28:25 2011
> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:28:24 +0200
> Subject: Re: free sco unix
> From: "C. P. Ghost"
> To: Robert Bonomi
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi
> wr
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi
wrote:
> I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and have a
> notary public 'witness' the signature.
True.
Without the service of a public registry of copyrighted works that (I think)
only the US offers, and when you need a l
On 6/17/2011 2:48 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
>>> Sigh. If you'd ever actually filed a copyright registration or
>>> transfer form, you would discover that one needs to get them notarized.
>>> (Documenting that a certain document was available and sig
On 6/17/2011 1:57 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> You assert this claim as well, but it's not at all clear whether
> anything but works created by government employees can be placed in
> the public domain.
>
> http://www.publicdomainsherpa.com/no-rights
On 6/16/2011 6:47 PM, Polytropon wrote:
> There is another important term, but I'm not sure how to
> translate it properly. In German, it's "Schaffenshoehe",
> refering to the "level of work you put into creating it".
> This finalizes in patent law. To make sure nobody can make
> money out of "tr
--As of June 17, 2011 5:02:09 PM -0500, Robert Bonomi is alleged to have
said:
4) In the U.S., one can officially register copyright on something up to
SIX MONTHS _after_ first 'publication'.
--As for the rest, it is mine.
Actually, you can register it at any time after it has been cr
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 05:02:09PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>
> OK, time for somebody who really knows about this stuff to wade in.
[snip]
Thanks for much more clearly stating, in much greater detail, exactly
what I was trying to say -- and for adding a bunch of additional detail.
--
Chad P
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Fri Jun 17 12:22:42 2011
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:03:47 -0500
> From: Alex Stangl
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: free sco unix
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:28:51AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > Registr
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:48:25AM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >
> > The "poor man's copyright" approach is, I believe, less certain and
> > effective than registration, but if there is a dispute over proper
> > claim of copyright, anything you ca
On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
>> Sigh. If you'd ever actually filed a copyright registration or
>> transfer form, you would discover that one needs to get them notarized.
>> (Documenting that a certain document was available and signed at a
>> specific date is what a notary publ
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:57:20AM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >> Where i live no need to register, you get copyright if the stuff
> >> fulfills certain criteria, originality is one.
> >
> > Registration aids enforcement. Of course, there's alway
On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Chad Perrin wrote:
>> Where i live no need to register, you get copyright if the stuff
>> fulfills certain criteria, originality is one.
>
> Registration aids enforcement. Of course, there's always the "poor man's
> copyright registration" approach, where the moment y
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:28:51AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> Registration aids enforcement. Of course, there's always the "poor man's
> copyright registration" approach, where the moment you have something you
> would like to protect by copyright, you can seal it up in an envelope and
> mail it
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:22:31AM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> 2011-06-17 06:53, Adam Vande More skrev:
> >On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> >>
> >>Copyright you get without registration and without payment, and one
> >>can't give it up.
> >
> >Again, registration is pretty
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:59:57AM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> 2011-06-17 00:20, Daniel Staal skrev:
> >--As of June 16, 2011 11:21:34 PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin is alleged
> >to have said:
> >
> >(And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone
> >book is often an example. It'
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:14:03AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:35:54 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >
> > I've noticed that your mail user agent is including quoted parties'
> > email addresses in the quote notification. In the text immediately
> > following this brief paragraph
2011-06-16 20:30, Chad Perrin skrev:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 02:22:43PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
unix is a trademark of novell.com.
Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group:
http://www.unix.org/
In EU there are 12
2011-06-17 06:53, Adam Vande More skrev:
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hanssonwrote:
Unless you work the trademark in you have to pay to register the name.
I'm not sure by what mean by "work the trademark in" but every business is
entitled to use tm or sm identification without reg
2011-06-17 00:20, Daniel Staal skrev:
--As of June 16, 2011 11:21:34 PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin is alleged to
have said:
(And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book
is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.)
Which is copyrighted, all databases are
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> Unless you work the trademark in you have to pay to register the name.
>
I'm not sure by what mean by "work the trademark in" but every business is
entitled to use tm or sm identification without registration. However by
officially registe
2011-06-16 19:36, Daniel Staal skrev:
On Thu, June 16, 2011 12:20 pm, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmons => To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
RS> http://en.wikipedia
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:35:54 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> I've noticed that your mail user agent is including quoted parties' email
> addresses in the quote notification. In the text immediately following
> this brief paragraph, for instance, my email address was included after
> my name. I would
I've noticed that your mail user agent is including quoted parties' email
addresses in the quote notification. In the text immediately following
this brief paragraph, for instance, my email address was included after
my name. I would appreciate it if you would configure your mail user
agent to no
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:03:16 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> > >
> > > It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else
> > > I believe.
> >
> > Copyright
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> >
> > It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else
> > I believe.
>
> Copyright and ownership of creation just makes sure that someone can't
> expres
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:43:59PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
>
> (The other common case in the USA is road maps. A simple 'lines following
> their geographic contours, labeled' is a set of facts. One result of this
> is that most road maps in the US either are missing some minor roads, or
>
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin
wrote:
> And does FreeBSD Foundation own its FreeBSD UNIX then? If it does, did it pay
> for it? Does it certify its FreeBSD as a UNIX and how much does it pay?
Basically, the main page says "based on", this states a
fact and does not say anyt
On Jun 16, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> And does FreeBSD Foundation own its FreeBSD UNIX then? If it does, did it pay
> for it? Does it certify its FreeBSD as a UNIX and how much does it pay?
The FreeBSD Foundation is a non-profit organization which supports and
represents the Fre
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 18:20:43 -0400 Daniel Staal => To Peter Vereshagin :
DS> > CP> UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here,
DS> > speaking
DS> >
DS> > Do we need a license to use it? ;-)
DS>
DS> According to what I recall of my 'b
--As of June 17, 2011 12:47:45 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said:
(And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book
is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.)
Interesting, never tought of that, but sounds obvious.
--As for the rest, it is
I am out of the office until June 20th. I will only have intermittent access to
email. I will read and reply to your message when I get back to the office.
If you need assistance with a Berkeley DB or Product Management issue while I
am away, please contact ashok.jo...@oracle.com.
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:20:43 -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
> According to what I recall of my 'business law for managers' classes: As
> long as we don't claim we own it, and only *referring* to the company who
> does or it's products, no. It's an identifying mark: You can use it to
> identify.
T
--As of June 16, 2011 11:21:34 PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin is alleged to
have said:
CP> UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here,
speaking
Do we need a license to use it? ;-)
According to what I recall of my 'business law for managers' classes: As
long as we don't clai
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:29:42 +0400, Peter Vereshagin
wrote:
> Lawyers are so lawyers ;-)
Two lawyers, three opinions. :-)
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Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
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2011/06/16 12:30:07 -0600 Chad Perrin => To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
CP> * The UNIX source code's copyright is held by . . . damn. It keeps
I always told this name is a kind of Black Label. Companies to hold it use to
meet fatal trouble
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 12:46:20 -0600 Chad Perrin => To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
CP> > But both are just words/phrases, right?
CP>
CP> Here's an example of the difference:
Good example, it's on-topic ;-)
CP> UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:20:11PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
>
> But both are just words/phrases, right?
Here's an example of the difference:
UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here, speaking
about the UNIX trademark, its applicability, who owns the trademark, and
so
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 02:22:43PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> >
> > unix is a trademark of novell.com.
>
> Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group:
> http://www.unix.org/
In case it was lost in the informative explan
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 13:36:32 -0400 Daniel Staal => To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
DS> > RS> Copyright pertains to the source code. Trademark pertains to the use
DS> > of
DS> > RS> signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.
DS> >
DS> > Source code itself can
On Thu, June 16, 2011 12:20 pm, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
> 2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmons => To
> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
> RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
> RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
>
> I'll surel
On 16 June 2011 17:47, Robert Simmons wrote:
> On Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:31:19 PM Reko Turja wrote:
>> In that fictional world MySQL needed a fork and some GPL'd programs
>> have been retroactively made completely closed source, forking denied
>> after taking the issue into court...
>
> I thou
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:31:19 PM Reko Turja wrote:
> In that fictional world MySQL needed a fork and some GPL'd programs
> have been retroactively made completely closed source, forking denied
> after taking the issue into court...
I thought that Sun reversed that decision in 2008. Can you
--
From: "Robert Simmons"
thrown out of court. Additionally, the source code is GPL, so even
if in the
fictional world of Linus taking the trademark elsewhere, you can
fork the code
and call it Morphtkdlfgjfjdsksjfnmvmdkedkfjgjg, and you would b
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2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmons => To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
I'll surely will when I'll have some to trade ;-)
RS> Copyright pertains to th
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:47:32 AM Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> This will require some efforts from Open Group. Does FreeBSD Foundation pay
> for that?
Not necessary. FreeBSD does not use (want to use/need to use) the UNIX
trademark and according to the USL vs. BSDi court case, FreeBSD does not
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:29:42 AM Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> There should be a difference recognized between "own a Unix trademark" by
> http://www.unix.org/trademark.html and "ownership of the Unix copyrights"
> by http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622 where I'm
> pass.
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 10:06:42 -0400 Robert Simmons => To
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
RS> I think the confusion that you all are having is between the idea of
RS> "copyright" and "trademark". They are different. Copyright applies to the
As I suspe
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/16 14:22:43 +0100 Matthew Seaman =>
To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org :
MS> > CB> FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is
MS> > CB> still the proprietary property of AT&T/Bell Labs.
MS> >
MS> > unix is a trad
On Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:22:43 AM Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> > You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
> > 2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan => To
> > Thomas Hansen : CB> FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free,
> > wher
On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote:
> You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
> 2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan => To Thomas
> Hansen :
> CB> FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is
> CB> still the proprietary property of AT&T/Bell Labs.
>
You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions!
2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan => To Thomas
Hansen :
CB> FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is
CB> still the proprietary property of AT&T/Bell Labs.
unix is a trademark of novell.com.
73! Peter pgp: A0E2
Le 15/06/2011 à 22:34:23+0200, Thomas Hansen a écrit
> one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running
> like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and and that unix is free
>
>
> Do your BSD kernel run the same unix kernel as unixware
Take a look :
http://www.levenez.com/u
-- Forwarded message --
From: Chris Brennan
Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: free sco unix
To: Thomas Hansen
'y' and 't' are too close in mutt :(
* Thomas Hansen [2011-06-16 00:07:11 +0200]:
This was off-list, redirecting back.
&g
On 15/06/2011 21:34, Thomas Hansen wrote:
> one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running
> like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and and that unix is free
Some Unix is free (the best sorts), others are most certainly not free
at all.
FreeBSD is pretty much the opposite end of th
* Thomas Hansen [2011-06-15 22:34:23 +0200]:
> one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running
> like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and and that unix is free
>
>
> Do your BSD kernel run the same unix kernel as unixware
FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whe
one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running
like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and and that unix is free
Do your BSD kernel run the same unix kernel as unixware
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