Re: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-24 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:00:21 +0200 Albert Shih wrote: > Before I'm installing my server under 9.0 + ZFS I do some benchmarks with > ionice to compare > > FreeBSD 9.0+ ZFS + 12 disk SATA 7200 rpm vs CentOS + H700 + 12 disk > SAS 15krpm > > (Both are same Dell poweredge). > > And the ZFS+12

Re: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-23 Thread Paul Kraus
On May 23, 2013, at 4:53 AM, Albert Shih wrote: > Have you ever try to update a ZFS Pool on 9.0 to 9.1 ? I recently upgraded my home server from 9.0 to 9.1, actually, I did exported my data zpool (raidZ2), did a clean installation of 9.1, then imported my data zpool. Everything went perfectly

Re: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-23 Thread Albert Shih
Le 18/05/2013 ? 09:02:15-0400, Paul Kraus a écrit > On May 18, 2013, at 3:21 AM, Ivailo Tanusheff > wrote: > > > If you use HBA/JBOD then you will rely on the software RAID of the > > ZFS system. Yes, this RAID is good, but unless you use SSD disks to > > boost performance and a lot of RAM the h

Re: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-23 Thread Albert Shih
Le 17/05/2013 ? 20:03:30-0400, Paul Kraus a écrit > > ZFS is stable, it is NOT as tuned as UFS just due to age. UFS in all of it's > various incarnations has been tuned far more than any filesystem has any > right to be. I spent many years managing Solaris system and I was truly > amazed at ho

Re: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-19 Thread Paul Kraus
On May 18, 2013, at 10:16 PM, kpn...@pobox.com wrote: > On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 01:29:58PM +, Ivailo Tanusheff wrote: >> Not sure about your calculations, hope you trust them, but in my previous >> company we have a 3-4 months period when a disk fails almost every day on 2 >> year old serve

RE: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-18 Thread Ivailo Tanusheff
Tanusheff -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kraus Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 4:02 PM To: Ivailo Tanusheff Cc: Liste FreeBSD Subject: Re: ZFS install on a partition On May 18, 2013, at 3:21 AM, Ivailo

Re: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-18 Thread Paul Kraus
On May 18, 2013, at 12:49 AM, kpn...@pobox.com wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 08:03:30PM -0400, Paul Kraus wrote: >> On May 17, 2013, at 6:24 PM, "b...@todoo.biz" wrote: >>> 3. Should I avoid using ZFS since my system is not well tuned and It would >>> be asking for trouble to use ZFS in these

Re: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-18 Thread Paul Kraus
On May 18, 2013, at 3:21 AM, Ivailo Tanusheff wrote: > If you use HBA/JBOD then you will rely on the software RAID of the ZFS > system. Yes, this RAID is good, but unless you use SSD disks to boost > performance and a lot of RAM the hardware raid should be more reliable and > mush faster.

RE: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-18 Thread Ivailo Tanusheff
named "mypool" issue: zfs set copies=2 mypool Best regards, Ivailo Tanusheff -Original Message- From: b...@todoo.biz [mailto:b...@todoo.biz] Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 10:46 AM To: Ivailo Tanusheff Subject: Re: ZFS install on a partition Le 18 mai 2013 à 09:21, Ivailo Ta

RE: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-18 Thread Ivailo Tanusheff
- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of b...@todoo.biz Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 1:24 AM To: Liste FreeBSD Subject: ZFS install on a partition Hi, I have a question regarding ZFS install on a system setup using an Intel Modul

RE: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-18 Thread Ivailo Tanusheff
. Best regards, Ivailo Tanusheff -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of b...@todoo.biz Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 8:33 AM To: Liste FreeBSD Subject: Re: ZFS install on a partition Le 18 mai 2013 à 06:49

Re: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-17 Thread b...@todoo.biz
Le 18 mai 2013 à 06:49, kpn...@pobox.com a écrit : > On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 08:03:30PM -0400, Paul Kraus wrote: >> On May 17, 2013, at 6:24 PM, "b...@todoo.biz" wrote: >>> 3. Should I avoid using ZFS since my system is not well tuned and It would >>> be asking for trouble to use ZFS in these c

Re: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-17 Thread b...@todoo.biz
Thanks for this documented answer. Couple of comments though… Le 18 mai 2013 à 02:03, Paul Kraus a écrit : > On May 17, 2013, at 6:24 PM, "b...@todoo.biz" wrote: > >> I know I should install a system using HBA and JBOD configuration - but >> unfortunately this is not an option for this ser

Re: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-17 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 18 May 2013, at 01:15, Joshua Isom wrote: > Your hardware raid should be faster than ZFS raid. Don't use zfs raid > because there will be no benefit. Self healing much ? I wouldn't dream of dropping it for a 20mb/s performance increase from a HW controller. What if the controller der

Re: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-17 Thread Paul Kraus
On May 17, 2013, at 6:24 PM, "b...@todoo.biz" wrote: > I know I should install a system using HBA and JBOD configuration - but > unfortunately this is not an option for this server. I ran many ZFS pools on top of hardware raid units, because that is what we had. It works fine and the NVRAM wr

Re: ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-17 Thread Joshua Isom
Your hardware raid should be faster than ZFS raid. Don't use zfs raid because there will be no benefit. You'll get the performance of software raid using CPU time, along with lost space for already backed up data. ZFS should work fine. A lot of the tuning on the wiki page isn't needed anym

ZFS install on a partition

2013-05-17 Thread b...@todoo.biz
Hi, I have a question regarding ZFS install on a system setup using an Intel Modular. This system runs various flavor of FreeBSD and Linux using a shared pool (LUNs). These LUNs have been configured in RAID 6 using the internal controller (LSI logic). So from the OS point of view there is