Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 10:42:33AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > > > >> Chad Perrin wrote: > >> > >>> I'm not saying that's what the OpenBSD project does. I'm just saying > >>> that, for instance, t

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Spiros Papadopoulos
Hi Blake, On 02/06/07, Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am primarily concerned about security from internet hacking, and am therefore considering setting up a separate internet computer with BSD. Are you trying to secure a network with a secure gateway? To have a secure P

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > >> Chad Perrin wrote: >> >>> I'm not saying that's what the OpenBSD project does. I'm just saying >>> that, for instance, the availability of the ath driver contradicts a >>> claim that security is a to

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Chad Perrin wrote: > > I'm not saying that's what the OpenBSD project does. I'm just saying > > that, for instance, the availability of the ath driver contradicts a > > claim that security is a top priority of the FreeBSD project.

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Chad Perrin wrote: > I'm not saying that's what the OpenBSD project does. I'm just saying > that, for instance, the availability of the ath driver contradicts a > claim that security is a top priority of the FreeBSD project. Only if > it was installed and operational by default would that really

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 10:10:08PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On June 3, 2007 4:33:01 AM +0200 Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>I disagree. I'd say that OpenBSD and FreeBSD put security in exactly > >>the same place -- at the top of the list. > > > >Sorry but I have to disagree

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 04:33:01AM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: > On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:10:27 -0700 > Colin Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Bill Moran wrote: > > > OpenBSD puts security higher on its list of project goals and > > > motivating factors than any other OS I know. > > > > I d

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 08:53:52PM -0500, Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 wrote: > > If you are familiar with Linux, search at Google with the string "BSD Linux > Matthew Fuller rant". It's a fairly well thought-through tirade on some of > the > differences Linux users perceive whe

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On June 3, 2007 4:33:01 AM +0200 Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:10:27 -0700 Colin Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bill Moran wrote: > OpenBSD puts security higher on its list of project goals and > motivating factors than any other OS I know. I disagree.

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Jona Joachim
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:10:27 -0700 Colin Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bill Moran wrote: > > OpenBSD puts security higher on its list of project goals and > > motivating factors than any other OS I know. > > I disagree. I'd say that OpenBSD and FreeBSD put security in exactly > the same

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 04:18:33PM -0700, Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 wrote: > I am primarily concerned about security from internet hacking, and am > therefore considering setting up a separate internet computer with BSD. > What is your association with Open BSD? with Linux? > Are there copyright o

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Kevin Kinsey
Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 wrote: Hello. Hope it's not too "tongue-in-chic", but it's practically irresistable. I am primarily concerned about security from internet hacking, and am therefore considering setting up a separate internet computer with BSD. What is your association with Open BSD?

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Colin Percival
Bill Moran wrote: > OpenBSD puts security higher on its list of project goals and > motivating factors than any other OS I know. I disagree. I'd say that OpenBSD and FreeBSD put security in exactly the same place -- at the top of the list. I think the distinction to draw is that FreeBSD has a lo

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Bill Moran
"Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am primarily concerned about security from internet hacking, and am > therefore considering setting up a separate internet computer with BSD. You shouldn't use FreeBSD, then. It's written by hackers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker