Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-28 Thread Richard Caley
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kai Grossjohann (kg) writes: kg> Software is written for users, isn't it? >From observation I would say that most software is written against users. As for FBSD, I hope it is being written for the enjoyment of those writing it, since that is the best insurance th

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-26 Thread Kai Grossjohann
"Thompson, Jimi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why should The FreeBSD project be interested in users ? They are VERY interested in users, according to my humble experience. And that's good: Software is written for users, isn't it? Kai ___ [EMAIL PROTE

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-16 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Jun 15, 2004, at 11:20 AM, Chris Lynch wrote: This thread cracks me up. No matter how many times the same subject has been brought up, I still can't stop laughing at the silliness of it all. Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy dance...but, then we'd be stepping on the Eas

Re: [OT] Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-16 Thread Hendrik Hasenbein
Andrew L. Gould wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:20:17 -0400 "Chris Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This thread cracks me up. No matter how many times the same subject has been brought up, I still can't stop laughing at the silliness of it all. Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a ha

Re: [OT] Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Frank Knobbe
On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 10:39, Andrew L. Gould wrote: > > Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy > > dance... > > Too fluffy. FreeBSD is a no-fluff OS! ;-) No, but it keeps going and going and going and going and... Cheers, Frank signature.asc Description: This is a dig

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Butterworth, Thaddaeus (Manpower Contract)
r to Linux and Windoze, regardless of it's mascot. Sincerely, Thad Butterworth -- Message: 29 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:53:49 -0500 From: Peter Pauly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Devil Mascot To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EM

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Jerry McAllister
> > On Tuesday 15 June 2004 11:19 am, Randy Pratt wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:53:57 -0400 > > > > "Mi A. Llort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: > > > > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing > > >

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Chris
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 11:19 am, Randy Pratt wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:53:57 -0400 > > "Mi A. Llort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: > > > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing > > > > Ed, it's obv

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Randy Pratt
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:53:57 -0400 "Mi A. Llort" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: > > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing > > Ed, it's obvious you've hit a nerve. > > Many list subscribers who have neve

End of thread: Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Nico Meijer
Hi all, Mostly for entertainment. Agreed. It was fun, thanks all. EOT, please? ... Nico ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Mike Galvez
ECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry > McAllister > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:41 AM > To: Mi A. Llort > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Devil Mascot > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: > > &g

[OT] Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Andrew L. Gould
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:20:17 -0400 "Chris Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This thread cracks me up. No matter how many times the same subject > has been brought up, I still can't stop laughing at the silliness of > it all. Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy > dance...but

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Jerry McAllister
TED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry > McAllister > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:41 AM > To: Mi A. Llort > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Devil Mascot > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: > > >

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Andy Harrison
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:20:17 -0400, Chris Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This thread cracks me up. No matter how many times the same subject has been > brought up, I still can't stop laughing at the silliness of it all. > Maybe FreeBSD should make a fuzzy bunny that does a happy dance...but,

[OT ...] Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Bill Moran
and ate everything. So don't mess with the Easter Bunny ... he's got contacts! > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry > McAllister > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:41 AM > To: Mi A. Llort > Cc: [EMA

RE: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Chris Lynch
what could happen then!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry McAllister Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:41 AM To: Mi A. Llort Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Devil Mascot > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wr

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Jerry McAllister
> > On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: > > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing > > Ed, it's obvious you've hit a nerve. > > Many list subscribers who have never contributed before, feel > compelled to reply, repeating the same explan

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Jerry McAllister
> > On 6/13/2004 at 5:02 PM Edward Hendrie wrote: > | > |Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in > |harmless butterfly costumes. > = > > Looks more like a mosquito to me. > I don't know about that, but it probably tracks disease all over. And if that

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Mi A. Llort
On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing Ed, it's obvious you've hit a nerve. Many list subscribers who have never contributed before, feel compelled to reply, repeating the same explanations which have

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread MikeM
On 6/13/2004 at 5:02 PM Edward Hendrie wrote: | |Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in |harmless butterfly costumes. = Looks more like a mosquito to me. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.fre

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-15 Thread Anubis
Thompson, Jimi wrote: From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a devil. Why should The FreeBSD pr

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Chris
On Monday 14 June 2004 04:09 pm, Jorn Argelo wrote: > Peter Pauly wrote: > >I wonder if the FreeBSD daemon could be considered a "god"... > > > >because he can "make world". > > Heh, now that's a nice one. > > Interesting discussion by the way, but I wonder, why are we going to > reply to an obviou

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Jorn Argelo
Peter Pauly wrote: I wonder if the FreeBSD daemon could be considered a "god"... because he can "make world". Heh, now that's a nice one. Interesting discussion by the way, but I wonder, why are we going to reply to an obvious troll like that? Just let the man be, and we might as well spend ti

re Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread LW Ellis
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Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Noah
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:07:41 +0200, Ole Guldberg Jensen wrote > Edward Hendrie wrote: > > > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? > > http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html > > > From a marketing > > perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people

Re: Devil Mascot(That

2004-06-14 Thread Mark Jayson Alvarez
--- Jan Muenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You may think that is a small issue, but when > you are trying to create > > market awareness you need a mascot that evokes > simplicity and goodwill, not > > one that evokes evil and deception. > > Man... either you're a (moderately funny) trol

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Peter Pauly
I wonder if the FreeBSD daemon could be considered a "god"... because he can "make world". ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread lbland
You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not one that evokes evil and deception. ... and here I thought that giving software away for free to everyone in the world was a form of altruism and

[going OT ...] Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Bill Moran
Greg Pavelcak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 08:31:40AM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: > > > > This has come up 1 times. It's simply not going to happen because the > > beastie has too much historical significance. It's a matter of pride that the > > beastie mascot has m

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Anthony Edwards
On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 05:02:49PM -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing > perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people > of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD > becau

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Richard Tobin
> Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? You might want to look at the output of "whois antichristconspiracy.com" before wasting your time responding to this. Then you can construct much more amusing replies. -- Richard ___ [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Greg Pavelcak
On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 08:31:40AM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: > > This has come up 1 times. It's simply not going to happen because the > beastie has too much historical significance. It's a matter of pride that the > beastie mascot has more history than the Linux penguin and the Microshit

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Richard Caley
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cordula's Web (cw) writes: cw> Tux looks cute, but does it stand for (code) bloat? ;-) It's quite simple: BSD: Daemon, evil, 'nuff said. Linux: Penguin, it's never going to fly. Windows: Distorted windowframe, lets crooks in.

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Kevin Stevens
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Edward Hendrie wrote: > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing > perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people > of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD > because they have relig

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Cordula's Web
> For clarity: it refers to background server processes, not evil. The > penguin refers to nothing. Tux looks cute, but does it stand for (code) bloat? ;-) -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.fre

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Steve Tremblett
> > You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create > > market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not > > one that evokes evil and deception. For the original inspiration, look up Maxwell's daemon on google. In the 19th century, Maxwell us

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Geert Hendrickx
Btw, I wonder what sane sysadmin would base his choice between OS'es upon their mascot. At least I wouldn't drop an excellent OS such as FreeBSD just for the mascot. For clarity: it refers to background server processes, not evil. The penguin refers to nothing. And if you really want BSD

RE: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Thompson, Jimi
> From a marketing > perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people > of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD > because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a > devil. Why should The FreeBSD project be in

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Jorge Biquez
Hello all. We are proud of it. Period. At 08:33 a.m. 14/06/04 -0400, you wrote: On 13/06/04 17:02 -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing > perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people > of various religio

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Bart Silverstrim
On Jun 13, 2004, at 8:02 PM, Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religi

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread K. Greenwood
Please realize that I am not an official representative of FreeBSD, nor any organization associated to it. --- Edward Hendrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? Daemon... > From a marketing perspective, Blasphemy... > you are shooting yourselves

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Henrik W Lund
If some people are put off from FreeBSD because the "devil" mascot evokes "evil and deception", they are not people I personally would want using the same OS as me. Good riddance! Speaking only for myself, of course. Now MSN, and its behemoth parent Microsoft, on the oth

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Louis LeBlanc
On 06/13/04 05:02 PM, Edward Hendrie sat at the `puter and typed: > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a > marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. > There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will > be dissuaded from trying

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Jason Stewart
On 13/06/04 17:02 -0700, Edward Hendrie wrote: > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing > perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people > of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD > because they have reli

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Bill Moran
"Edward Hendrie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing > perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people > of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD > because they have religi

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Geert Hendrickx
> You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create > market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not > one that evokes evil and deception. I think it looks friendly, not evil at all. Moreover, it says "FreeBSD, the power to serve". Sounds goo

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Ole Guldberg Jensen
Edward Hendrie wrote: Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because the

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Jan Muenther
> You may think that is a small issue, but when you are trying to create > market awareness you need a mascot that evokes simplicity and goodwill, not > one that evokes evil and deception. Man... either you're a (moderately funny) troll or *you're* the one with some serious issues here. It's

Re: Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Johannes Lochmann
On Monday 14 June 2004 02:02, Edward Hendrie wrote: Hi, > Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? It's not a devil, it's a daemon. > Look at how MSN is marketing its ISP. They use characters dressed in > harmless butterfly costumes. ... looking ridiculous, IMHO... > You m

Devil Mascot

2004-06-14 Thread Edward Hendrie
Why do you have a Devil for a trademark mascot? From a marketing perspective, you are shooting yourselves in the foot. There are many people of various religious backgrounds who will be dissuaded from trying FreeBSD because they have religious objections to a product that is promoted by a dev