Re: GPL version 4

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:12:40AM +1300, Mark Kirkwood wrote: > valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > >On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said: > > > > > >>I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the > >>users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF h

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Charlie Kester
On Sun 14 Dec 2008 at 19:45:24 PST Robert Huff wrote: Glen Barber writes: Umm ... while one can ask those questions here (questions@) and hore to get answered, I believe the sanctioned forum is po...@. It's rather lower traffic, which is not a bad thing. I agree that they probably *should*

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Da Rock
On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 23:53 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:50:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > > > I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable, > > > and to develop them we'd need the h

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread prad
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:03:55 + Matthew Seaman wrote: > Heh. "The customer is /always/ right, even when they're wrong." The > difference is that you give the idiot customers exactly what they ask > for, and the good customers what they actually need > now that is a business model!! if i e

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread prad
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:12:28 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > I think that can be handled quite easily by community social pressure, > and moderation would just set a precedent for "it's someone else's > job". > i don't think that has to happen at all. personally i think self-moderation is best, follo

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Matthew Seaman
prad wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: in my practice rejecting part of customers (those who are really "idiots") make sense. you get say 20% less money for 10 times less work. exactly! proper advocacy on a 'free' (or otherwise) system doesn't mean accomm

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:50:00PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:25 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > I think he's trying to say that open source drivers would be preferable, > > and to develop them we'd need the hardware specs so we'd have a target > > toward which to develop d

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:31:17PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > What I can't equate with is why its acceptable for intel to do the > same... check if_iwi and its "firmware". No other wifi device (that I'm > aware of- at least they'd be in the minority anyway) works this way. The > excuse is fcc regs-

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 09:42:32PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >probably that they would create "competitors" somehow, magically, without > >providing any information that directly encourages competition for their > >hardware. If they wanted to provide per-incident paid software support > >or

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 04:49:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>>Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS. > >> > >>I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants > >>it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic. > > > >exactly... > >when is something part of FBSD and when not? > > what is "

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:03:29AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > >You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers > >were stupid. Maybe they were... > > the difference is that FreeBSD is free software. > > or is not? Perhaps you are not familiar with the term "analogy"

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:04:18PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >than not you discourage beginners from getting interested in this > > i don't discourage beginners that want to learn. > > Most of them don't. Considering that, the moment someone shows up and says "I'm a Windows user, but I'm t

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:49:58PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > > >you're reply to another post: > >>If you wish you can call me "fuhrer" ;) but iwth Gestapo you certainly > >>got too far. > >> > >:D > >good response to that unfortunate eruption of enthusiasm. > > i think it's a problem o

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 09:38:29PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > without moderation it's a mess. I've seen more mess in response to your entirely unwelcoming manner than ever in response to anything you call "off topic" in some of your examples. > > It's nice people like to help other peop

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 12:26:21PM -0800, prad wrote: > On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700 > Chad Perrin wrote: > > > I'll > > provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe > > you'll be able to understand my point ... > > > good illustrative examples, chad! > > i think

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 08:57:28PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>bad (TM). > > > >No -- at *any* level: > > you are wrong. > > for example you WILL like to control what oficially your employees > ktalk about your company. That's not censorship -- it's a nondisclosure agreement. -- Chad Pe

Re: control character file names

2008-12-14 Thread Noah
* Use a file manager. I often use `dired-mode' inside an Emacs session to move around, copy, re-organize, rename or delete files. Any file manager that can display several character sets at once will do fine :) Hey there Giorgos, I'd love to use emacs but I go into '

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Robert Huff
Glen Barber writes: > >Umm ... while one can ask those questions here (questions@) and > > hore to get answered, I believe the sanctioned forum is po...@. > > It's rather lower traffic, which is not a bad thing. > > I agree that they probably *should* be asked on ports@, but > beca

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Glen Barber
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Robert Huff wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas writes: > >> Some of us disagree with the 'off topic police'. If you have >> questions about programs that _run_ on FreeBSD, please keep >> asking here. Nothing has changed. > >Umm ... while one can ask those que

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Robert Huff
Giorgos Keramidas writes: > Some of us disagree with the 'off topic police'. If you have > questions about programs that _run_ on FreeBSD, please keep > asking here. Nothing has changed. Umm ... while one can ask those questions here (questions@) and hore to get answered, I believe t

Re: control character file names

2008-12-14 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008, Noah wrote: > Hi there, > > there is a blank directory that I cant seem to view. I believe the > directory is a '^M'. can somebody please explain how I can see > filenames and directories containing control characters. Also how do I > rename the directory with 'mv'?

Re: GPL version 4

2008-12-14 Thread bofh
Please. The GPL v4 mail was started by a troll. I am surprised that anyone from the linux camp was taken in and keeps feeding the troll. There's no GPL v4 (yet) and anyone who thinks there is, is a moron. Now, can we leave a dead thread dead? Zombies should be exterminated on sight. Brainz..

Re: GPL version 4

2008-12-14 Thread Damien Miller
moving m...@openbsd.org to Bcc Please do not post discussions of GPL politics to OpenBSD mailing lists. You know we have different views, so cross-posting is pure trolling. -d On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Mark Kirkwood wrote: > valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Mort

Re: control character file names

2008-12-14 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:21:22 -0800, Noah wrote: > Hi there, > > there is a blank directory that I cant seem to view. I believe the > directory is a '^M'. can somebody please explain how I can see > filenames and directories containing control characters. Also how do > I rename the directory wit

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:51:23 -0800 (PST), vuthecuong wrote: > Hi all > Firstly I'm terribly sorry for wrongly posted question not related to > freebsd. I will pay attention so that this wrong posting will not > occurr again. This is my fault. > > But I admit that freebsd-questions mailing list

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:39:26AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: > > Hence why I tend to send really green unix newbies to linux school than > grind their teeth on FreeBSD straight up. Let em get their skills and > experience in how *nix in general works on something a little easier > (for MIB lovers: noi

control character file names

2008-12-14 Thread Noah
Hi there, there is a blank directory that I cant seem to view. I believe the directory is a '^M'. can somebody please explain how I can see filenames and directories containing control characters. Also how do I rename the directory with 'mv'? Cheers, Noah ___

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread matt donovan
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM, vuthecuong wrote: > > > > Hi all > > Firstly I'm terribly sorry for wrongly posted question not related to > > freebsd. > > I will pay attention so that this wrong posting will not occurr again. > > This is my

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Glen Barber
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM, vuthecuong wrote: > > Hi all > Firstly I'm terribly sorry for wrongly posted question not related to > freebsd. > I will pay attention so that this wrong posting will not occurr again. > This is my fault. No, it is not. Questions@ is a general list for general F

Re: GPL version 4

2008-12-14 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Marco Peereboom wrote: All this GPL blah blah is a huge waste of time. It comes down to this; nearly everyone on this list thinks that the GPL is criminally stupid so stop trying to convince people here that it does not suck dog ass. Lets not have this retarded debate again, *we* know *you* are

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread vuthecuong
Glen Barber-2 wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Wojciech Puchar > wrote: >>> >>> The name is `freebsd-questions' not >>> `freebsd-questions-about-the-base-system-only'. >>> >>> Wojciech, I am aware that this is probably going to be hardly enough to >>> convince you, but you are _harm

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Glen Barber
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> The name is `freebsd-questions' not >> `freebsd-questions-about-the-base-system-only'. >> >> Wojciech, I am aware that this is probably going to be hardly enough to >> convince you, but you are _harming_ the Project by posting this sort

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
The name is `freebsd-questions' not `freebsd-questions-about-the-base-system-only'. Wojciech, I am aware that this is probably going to be hardly enough to convince you, but you are _harming_ the Project by posting this sort of it's only Your opinion. My opinion is different. This list gets t

Re: send performance of rl(4)

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I always found Realtek cards okay because they would work everywhere, nearly every OS supported them. But especially the RTL8139, if I remember correctly, was so busy generating IRQs that it didn't find the time to have a good performance. :-) but it works very well. in places when there is no

Re: Re[4]: can not start SVNserve

2008-12-14 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:32:42 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. > wrong. wheel group is needed to su to root,not from root Right. Wow... I'm so stupid... must already be epidemic dementia. :-) -- Polytropon >From Magdeburg, German

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread michael
per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: after reading all these posts, i've still come up with this answer after looking .. "freebsd - the power to serve" Might one reasonably surmise that "the power to serve" implies doing a good job of running server software? Like mail servers, FTP servers, web

Re: send performance of rl(4)

2008-12-14 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:42:31 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > realtek cards are not bad by design. this particular was broken I always found Realtek cards okay because they would work everywhere, nearly every OS supported them. But especially the RTL8139, if I remember correctly, was so bus

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:18:47 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> There are some of us here who are interested in all things related to >> Unicode and complex scripts questions; we are interested to have such >> things working on FreeBSD. The OP's question was very interesting to me >> _as a Fr

Re: send performance of rl(4)

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
:-( :-( :-) Swapping the rl(4) card for a xl(4) card did the trick. I can now saturate the line in both directions. I think I'm going to scrap the other rl(4) card in my machine as well and replace it with an fxp(4) card. no. realtek cards are not bad by desi

Re: send performance of rl(4)

2008-12-14 Thread Polytropon
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:25:01 +0100, Roland Smith wrote: > Swapping the rl(4) card for a xl(4) card did the trick. I can now > saturate the line in both directions. I think I'm going to scrap the > other rl(4) card in my machine as well and replace it with an fxp(4) card. Yeah... something I did s

Re: send performance of rl(4)

2008-12-14 Thread Roland Smith
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 04:34:17PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> > >> it may be problem with autoconfiguration of speed and half/full duplex. > >> try setting it manually on one or both sides. > > > > Both were showing 100baseTX full-duplex on autoselect. Setting both > > manually with 'ifconf

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Charlie Kester
On Sun 14 Dec 2008 at 11:17:27 PST Nikola Le??i?? wrote: There are some of us here who are interested in all things related to Unicode and complex scripts questions; we are interested to have such things working on FreeBSD. The OP's question was very interesting to me _as a FreeBSD user_. You are

Re: Cluster-wide installation of FreeBSD

2008-12-14 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:12:21 +0100, Nikola Knežević wrote: > Hi, > > I have a machine running FreeBSD 7.1, and now I would like to > "replicate" it to other machines in our cluster. Other machines have > smaller disks, and a different processor, but all are amd64. > > Is there a way to do t

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
There are some of us here who are interested in all things related to Unicode and complex scripts questions; we are interested to have such things working on FreeBSD. The OP's question was very interesting to me _as a FreeBSD user_. You are of course not obliged to reply at all. The fact that peo

Re: Disk Errors

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
ad2: FAILURE - READ_DMA timed out LBA=0 ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (1 retry left) LBA=1 ad2: TIMEOUT - READ_DMA retrying (0 retries left) LBA=1 The flash drive is detected with 3940272 sectors. Is there a way to control the LBA= parameter? Does it matter if I try? no. How can I contr

Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? NTG. Found a new hobby? Cyber Police? even more NTG ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-quest

Re: Quite Stumped here, need suggestions

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Where to look? What to try? I am truly stumped here. at logs. it look like SOMETHING (or someone ;) initiates such shutdown. i don't remember case where FreeBSD would shutdown itself the way you said - cleanly, closing all programs etc - in case of panic/kernel error. __

Re: Re[2]: can not start SVNserve

2008-12-14 Thread David Weintraub
So, just to clarify... On one machine: $ su svn Will change you to the "svn" user while on another machine: $ su svn Will output: su: Sorry The problem would be the configuration of the two machines and not a Subversion issue. You may want to try the BSD list about why you have these

Re: GPL version 4

2008-12-14 Thread Mark Kirkwood
valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:15 +0800, Morton Harrow said: I see with pain in my heart that the GPLv3 doesn't actually give the users of GPLv3 software the liberty and freedom the FSF has been fighting for. Instead they are forced to play by the strict set of term

Re: Quite Stumped here, need suggestions

2008-12-14 Thread Roger Olofsson
Robert Richards skrev: Hi All: I am running: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p5 #3: Sun Oct 5 15:31:05 EDT 2008 On a Sager 8800 Laptop. I have had FreeBSD installed for about a year, and all is working perfectly. I can bring up KDE, run many apps, all without a problem, except for ONE recent development.

Re: Quite Stumped here, need suggestions

2008-12-14 Thread Paul B. Mahol
On 12/14/08, Robert Richards wrote: > Hi All: > > I am running: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p5 #3: Sun Oct 5 15:31:05 EDT 2008 > On a Sager 8800 Laptop. I have had FreeBSD installed for about a year, > and all is working perfectly. I can bring up KDE, run many apps, all > without a problem, except for ON

Quite Stumped here, need suggestions

2008-12-14 Thread Robert Richards
Hi All: I am running: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p5 #3: Sun Oct 5 15:31:05 EDT 2008 On a Sager 8800 Laptop. I have had FreeBSD installed for about a year, and all is working perfectly. I can bring up KDE, run many apps, all without a problem, except for ONE recent development. Every so often FreeBSD ini

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Nikola Lečić
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:03:18 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > NTG > please do ask on imagemagick support! Interestingly, he did (and, as it appears, before you replied): http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-14 Thread Matthew Seaman
andrew clarke wrote: On Sat 2008-12-13 19:05:35 UTC+, Matthew Seaman (m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk) wrote: Ports aren't actually frozen at the moment. Neither are they completely open for any sort of updates. Instead they're in a 'slush' -- no sweeping changes permitted, no major chan

Re: imagemagick convert: japanese text broken in freebsd

2008-12-14 Thread Nikola Lečić
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:20:23 -0800 (PST) cuongvt wrote: > Hi, > I know that IM support japanese text. > On Freebsd 7.0 with latest imagemagick built from port (6.4.7) and > msgothic.ttc copied from windows partition, > imagick extension of PHP i

Disk Errors

2008-12-14 Thread Jason C. Wells
I am working on installing 6.4-RELEASE on a Motorola CPN5360 which is an industrial CompactPCI computer. The system boots via PXE. That much is good. The host has two storage devices. This is a 16MB boot flash device that is soldered to the board. ad0: FAILURE - SETFEATURES SET TRANSFER MOD

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread prad
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:54:19 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > in my practice rejecting part of customers (those who are really > "idiots") make sense. you get say 20% less money for 10 times less > work. > exactly! proper advocacy on a 'free' (or otherwise) system doesn't mean accommodating r

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Dan
Julien Cigar(jci...@ulb.ac.be)@2008.12.11 16:23:04 +0100: > "except when i forgot to unmount" -> yep, the problem lies here, it's so > natural to just unplug an USB device That's not an excuse for the kernel panic. The real problem is the kernel code rot. They can't fix the problem because the cod

Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?

2008-12-14 Thread andrew clarke
On Sun 2008-12-14 16:50:09 UTC+0100, Wojciech Puchar (woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) wrote: >> Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among >> freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? > NTG. I had to look up what NTG stood for. Not This Group? Is freebsd-questions a "group"? NEHTBAA

Cluster-wide installation of FreeBSD

2008-12-14 Thread Nikola Knežević
Hi, I have a machine running FreeBSD 7.1, and now I would like to "replicate" it to other machines in our cluster. Other machines have smaller disks, and a different processor, but all are amd64. Is there a way to do this kind of installation (either by copying content, or installing and

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-14 Thread andrew clarke
On Sat 2008-12-13 19:05:35 UTC+, Matthew Seaman (m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk) wrote: > Ports aren't actually frozen at the moment. Neither are they > completely open for any sort of updates. Instead they're in a 'slush' > -- no sweeping changes permitted, no major changes to the > infra

Re: is there a way to get an ACK from the mutt version of FBSD?

2008-12-14 Thread andrew clarke
On Sat 2008-12-13 17:02:48 UTC-0500, Glen Barber (glen.j.bar...@gmail.com) wrote: > >i did something to evolution (or mail) so it sends a "your mail was > > opened > >on u...@foo.com". i've been hunting thru the mutt docs; i do not > > see how to > >get a similar ack fr

Re: freebsd-update killed my /var

2008-12-14 Thread andrew clarke
On Sun 2008-12-14 19:28:16 UTC+0500, FuLLBLaSTstorm (fullblastst...@gmail.com) wrote: > Recently I've run freebsd-update on my desktop machine, but it failed > saying that it cannot save its files anymore to /var because the > filesystem is full. If you are short on disk space then from what I c

Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?

2008-12-14 Thread Charlie Kester
On Sun 14 Dec 2008 at 07:43:38 PST Toms Rodriguez wrote: Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? Wikipedia has articles on all three of these. You might want to start there in order to get an overview and to get some familiarity with the si

Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?

2008-12-14 Thread Chris
On Dec 14, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Tomás Rodriguez wrote: Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? Your question is too broad for a meaningful answer. You could ask it more specifically based on what you are trying to decide. It would be a mass

Detecting network memory leaks using netstat -m

2008-12-14 Thread Yony Yossef
Hi All, I'm trying to find out whether my ethernet driver is leaking. I just found out about netstat -m, but I don't understand some of it's output. Can somebody explain me what is "mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use" ? My output shows it raised significantly during equilibrium a

Detecting network memory leaks using netstat -m

2008-12-14 Thread Yehonatan Yossef
Hi All, I'm trying to find out whether my ethernet driver is leaking. I just found out about netstat -m, but I don't understand some of it's output. Can somebody explain me what is "mbuf+clusters out of packet secondary zone in use" ? My output shows it raised significantly during equilibrium aft

Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?

2008-12-14 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:50:09 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among > > freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? > NTG. Found a new hobby? Cyber Police? -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D + http://nagual.nl/ | SunOS sxce snv103 ++

Re: Canonical way for DHCP->IP->/etc/hosts

2008-12-14 Thread Roger Olofsson
Jeff Laine skrev: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:00:12PM +0100, Roger Olofsson wrote: Dear mailing list, I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives referrer errors for me. Pre-conditions. Dualho

Re: wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? NTG. simply read webpages on FreeBSD, NetBSD and HPUX and compare. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/f

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS. I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants it to do isn't a FreeBSD topic. exactly... when is something part of FBSD and when not? what is "base system" all the ports aren't? port system (script and Makefiles) are part of FreeB

wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX?

2008-12-14 Thread Tomás Rodriguez
Hi everybody somebody cand explain me wich are the difference among freebsd, NetBsd and HPUX? thanks Tomas - Original Message > From: Tomás Rodriguez > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:31:03 AM > Subject: I need Install DB2 in Freebsd with a t

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread FBSD UG
SO - please just stop ALL NTG topics here. this group really lacks moderator. not someone that will remove posts he considers "lame" but all that is off topic. Off topic=not about FreeBSD OS. I'm amazed that you seem to think that making FreeBSD do what one wants it to do isn't a FreeBSD

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Your talking about things without providing any evidence as usual. It's just bollocks. NVidia has fabulous 3dgraphics cards and their drivers work very very well. At least they do on solaris (32/64bit). ...and Mac OSX and Linux and even Windows well is said too much at least compared to adver

Re: send performance of rl(4)

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
it may be problem with autoconfiguration of speed and half/full duplex. try setting it manually on one or both sides. Both were showing 100baseTX full-duplex on autoselect. Setting both manually with 'ifconfig [rl1|xl0] media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex' didn't improve things. try half-dup

Re[4]: can not start SVNserve

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
P> (3) Regarding su, check for wheel group inclusion. wrong. wheel group is needed to su to root,not from root ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "

Re[4]: can not start SVNserve

2008-12-14 Thread KES
Здравствуйте, Polytropon. Вы писали 14 декабря 2008 г., 15:11:35: P> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar P> wrote: >> > su: Sorry >> > >> > >> > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash >> > kes# pw user show svn >> > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash >> > kes#

Re: send performance of rl(4)

2008-12-14 Thread Roland Smith
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 03:45:35PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Transferring files from my desktop to my laptop with rsync (over a > > point-to-point netowork connection) is extremely slow, maxing out at > > around 50 kB/s and often dropping to 0. Both systems show hardly any > > activity. Is

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread FBSD UG
On 12 dec 2008, at 21:54, dick hoogendijk wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar wrote: They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true reason they do this. With new hardware produced every year it MUST be buggy and certainly there are thousand

Re: Canonical way for DHCP->IP->/etc/hosts

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives referrer errors for me. Pre-conditions. Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other dynamical IP from ISP. Question: What is the can

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread FBSD UG
On 12 dec 2008, at 20:32, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I disagree. I believe, rather, that support for closed hardware specs isn't *as* important -- but is still at least somewhat important. My reservation to the 3D driver thing is it is setting a very dangerous precedent if the solution inv

Re: send performance of rl(4)

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Transferring files from my desktop to my laptop with rsync (over a point-to-point netowork connection) is extremely slow, maxing out at around 50 kB/s and often dropping to 0. Both systems show hardly any activity. Is this normal for rsync running over a network? There is a no. rsync daemon r

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Robert Huff
Da Rock writes: > I'm sorry, but the only image I could conjure up for a > pointy-haired boss was Bart Simpson in a suit (or Lisa as > President) :D > > Do you have another image in mind? You are obviously not familiar with the comic strip "Dilbert" written by Scott Adams. Please

send performance of rl(4)

2008-12-14 Thread Roland Smith
Transferring files from my desktop to my laptop with rsync (over a point-to-point netowork connection) is extremely slow, maxing out at around 50 kB/s and often dropping to 0. Both systems show hardly any activity. Is this normal for rsync running over a network? There is a rsync daemon running on

freebsd-update killed my /var

2008-12-14 Thread FuLLBLaSTstorm
Hey all, Recently I've run freebsd-update on my desktop machine, but it failed saying that it cannot save its files anymore to /var because the filesystem is full. now df shows something like this: # df /dev/ad0s1d253678 250630 -17248 107% /var I'm in the middle of solving the problem,

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-14 Thread Eitan Adler
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: > Thank you Jonathan - I cannot give much to FBSD as I am not a > programmer either but - again - if I can be of any use > communication-wise, I am happy to join the community and serve. Actually, you could give a lot to the project. I could think of a few things and I'm su

Re: Canonical way for DHCP->IP->/etc/hosts

2008-12-14 Thread Roger Olofsson
Roger Olofsson skrev: Dear mailing list, I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives referrer errors for me. Pre-conditions. Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other dynam

Re: Canonical way for DHCP->IP->/etc/hosts

2008-12-14 Thread Jeff Laine
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 02:00:12PM +0100, Roger Olofsson wrote: > Dear mailing list, > > I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however > the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives > referrer errors for me. > > Pre-conditions. > Dualhomed fire

Re: Re[2]: can not start SVNserve

2008-12-14 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:58:55 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > su: Sorry > > > > > > kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash > > kes# pw user show svn > > svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash > > kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start > > Starting svnserve. > > su: Sorry > try to

Canonical way for DHCP->IP->/etc/hosts

2008-12-14 Thread Roger Olofsson
Dear mailing list, I am sorry if this question has been asked over and over again - however the htdig search interface for the lists is somewhat shaky and gives referrer errors for me. Pre-conditions. Dualhomed firewalled FreeBSD7.1. One nic is LAN and the other dynamical IP from ISP. Ques

Re[2]: can not start SVNserve

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
su: Sorry kes# pw user mod svn -s /bin/bash kes# pw user show svn svn:*:1005:1005::0:0:SVN user:/nonexistent:/bin/bash kes# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/svnserve start Starting svnserve. su: Sorry try to change directory to existent ___ freebsd-questions@freeb

Re: Centralized DB of "system" users

2008-12-14 Thread Da Rock
On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 17:59 +0700, Outback Dingo wrote: > > Wouldn't kerberos be a better alternative? One server (maybe a > > replicated backup), and all services authenticate with that. Saves > > shadow on the wire... > > > > I think the ulitimate question is going to be at what level of pain do

Re[2]: can not start SVNserve

2008-12-14 Thread KES
Здравствуйте, David. I have home# uname -a FreeBSD home.kes.net.ua 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Tue Aug 12 02:11:24 EEST 2008 k...@kes.net.ua:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KES_KERN_v7 i386 on this machine sveserve startsup normally >My confusion comes from the output of PW home# pw user show sv

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
with "secret" drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. Actually that sounds like a very close approximation of what is going on. It explains why cpu usage can go up some times during use. another example. Part of

Re: Centralized DB of "system" users

2008-12-14 Thread Outback Dingo
> Wouldn't kerberos be a better alternative? One server (maybe a > replicated backup), and all services authenticate with that. Saves > shadow on the wire... > I think the ulitimate question is going to be at what level of pain does the person wish to suffer to achieve his goals there are numerous

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
are thousands of hardware bugs. with "secret" drivers - they can easily hide them. AFAIK at least half of their driver code are to do workaround of their hardware bugs. Actually that sounds like a very close approximation of what is going most "high end" popular products are just buggy. as lo

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:05:26 +1000 Da Rock wrote: >On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 13:05 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 10:46:55AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> > >>>I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. >> > >> >> > >>exactly what i wrote. the problem is

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
related things. Ideally developers are self-motivated. They do it because they want to, not because they have to or because they won't get paid if they don't[+]. It's not an entirely black and white distinction -- after all, employees aren't slaves. If they really can't stand being nice to t

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-14 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Matthew Seaman < m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote: > Glen Barber wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Wojciech Puchar >> wrote: >> >>> You remind me of a tech I once worked with who thought all customers were stupid. Maybe they were... >>>

Plan9

2008-12-14 Thread Da Rock
Hope this deosn't upset the purists... I literally stumbled on a reference to plan9 in the freebsd ports- completely by accident, mind- and so I ran a search for what it was on google. I found an article on wikipedia and from there a link to download the latest iso. Unfortunately the .iso.gz is em

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