Re: w3 web browser on freebsd v6.2-R

2007-08-09 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:31:58 +1000 jonathan michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 01:40:55PM +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:27:41 +1000 > > jonathan michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libintl.so.8"

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Boosten
Norberto Meijome wrote: > On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:07:53 +0200 > Peter Boosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes, I think you're right. Most FreeBSD users are used to do things the >> 'command line way'. > > I think it is more a 'Unix users' rather than FBSD users thing. The fact > remains that u

Re: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Supported ???

2007-08-09 Thread Alain G. Fabry
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 09:15:51PM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: > Alain G. Fabry wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Is the following audio '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio' > > supported on FreeBSD6.2? > > > > If so, which device do I need to load in the kernel or how can I get it to > > work.

Highpoint rr2300 on pci-e not recognized

2007-08-09 Thread Steve Franks
Anyone got this to work? I suspect it's due to it being in a pci-e slot, but maybe not, since it does show up in dmesg. Hipoint makes their own freebsd drivers, so I figured 'slam-dunk', but no such luck. dmesg: ... pci2: on pcib2 pci2: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) ... rr2310_00: Rocket

Re: cheap (supported) wifi card

2007-08-09 Thread Steve Franks
On 8/9/07, Don Hinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi: > > I recently purchased a new HP dv9500t laptop. Unfortunately, the > Intel 4965AGN wireless card it came with isn't supported (yet). I > tried to use ndisgen, but it caused a panic (both 6.2 and > 7.0-current). I'm afraid you are in big tr

Re: OT:: anybody on-list use "PC-BSD"? or "bSD-PC"?

2007-08-09 Thread Steve Franks
My experience with PC-BSD was that it was just different enough to break alot of FreeBSD's documentation, and they don't have enough of their own. I was a newbie, of course, but I went with vanilla FreeBSD because of the handbook and freebsd-questions, and I've no regrets. Been at least 9 months.

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:07:53 +0200 Peter Boosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Pollywog wrote: > > > > I hope I do not get flamed for saying this... > > FreeBSDers don't flame :-) > > > > > I am a new arrival to *BSD though I have used Linux

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:22:26 -0500 Latitude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, Hello Robert, I don't think I'll tell you what to do - i think most contributors to this thread have done a pretty good job @ pointing you in the right direction (w

Re: Convince me

2007-08-09 Thread Adam J Richardson
Hi Latitude. Latitude wrote: you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. What, us? The users? As Mary said, we don't care how you get your everyday tasks done. Why should we present any arguments at all? The switch isn't easy. It's damn

SOLVED: Re: What's the secret to gnome-terminal "open link?"

2007-08-09 Thread David Benfell
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:35:47 +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote: > On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 19:12 -0700, David Benfell wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I would really like the "open link" function to work under > > gnome-terminal. But I can't find any relevant configuration > > and a Google search comes up empty

Re: w3 web browser on freebsd v6.2-R

2007-08-09 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:27:41 +1000 jonathan michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libintl.so.8" not found, required by > "amaya-gtk" G'day Jonathan :) in my box (6.2 STABLE) , it was installed by gettext: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Fri Aug 10 13:36:21 2007] /usr/ho

Re: How can i import Corel Draw vectorial files?

2007-08-09 Thread Nikola Lecic
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 17:08:27 -0400 "Hakan K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/9/07, Damian Vicino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I am getting CDR files form another department (and they dont know > > how or dont want to export as .ps). > > I just need to open them to show my boss and give oks

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Mario Lobo
On Friday 10 August 2007 00:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 08/08/07, Latitude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > > users of how easy the switch may be. S

Re: OT:: anybody on-list use "PC-BSD"? or "bSD-PC"?

2007-08-09 Thread Kurt Buff
On 8/9/07, Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Guys, > >close. Has anybody on this list used the PC version of BSD? >What about a "desktop-BSD"?? > >suggestion? advice? I've used PC-BSD, and agree with Jonathan - it's package management system is a bit funky.

Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background

2007-08-09 Thread Valentin Bud
On Friday 10 August 2007 12:13 am, Jonathan Horne wrote: > On Thursday 09 August 2007 15:31:01 Bill Moran wrote: > > In response to Reid Linnemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Written by Sean Murphy on 08/09/07 15:15>> > > > > > > > How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used > > >

Re: OT:: anybody on-list use "PC-BSD"? or "bSD-PC"?

2007-08-09 Thread Jonathan Horne
On 8/9/07 8:16 PM, "Gary Kline" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anybody on this list used the PC version of BSD? > What about a "desktop-BSD"?? I gave them both a try when I first got into FreeBSD. I didn't particularly care for their package management system. DesktopBSD has a really cool li

OT:: anybody on-list use "PC-BSD"? or "bSD-PC"?

2007-08-09 Thread Gary Kline
Guys, A couple years ago I got a hold of Ubuntu and until recent months thought it was the best thing since [[ fill-in ]]. Long-story-shot, I am wedged at 6.06 (a Long Term Support) version, and because the *next* "LTS" isn't due until 2009 and *mo

w3 web browser on freebsd v6.2-R

2007-08-09 Thread jonathan michaels
greetings all just installed a compaq proliant 5500 with freebsd v6.2-release, works quite well in most respects. except for one small item. i installed from ports the w3.org web browser amaya, just did the basic "make install" and ater teh fetch and build, which didn't throw up any errors or co

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 08/08/07, Latitude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. It is not all that easy, but most people don't remember what a pai

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Modulok
> I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. For someone with zero Unix experience. It's not easy. > I need to see an overwhelming argument that FreeBSD is a p

Re: Sending test messages (was Re: don't read it)

2007-08-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 09/08/07, Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:59:44AM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: > > > In response to Jean-Pierre Trophardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Duane Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messag

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Aug 9, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Reid Linnemann wrote: Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:30>> On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... Try it,

Re: Utility to change a byte in a binary file?

2007-08-09 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:25:17PM +, V.I.Victor wrote: > > It sure seems that this should be simple, but my searches have only > turned up inter-active hex/disk editors. I'm probably "asking" wrong. > > I have a large binary file (>700 meg) and I know that there is a > single wrong byte.

Re: reconfigure a port after install

2007-08-09 Thread Harry Jensen
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 05:46:43PM -0400, Pablo Mora wrote: > On 8/9/07, Harry Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > /usr/ports/mail/postfix and simply "make configure". > > is "make config" Aaah, yes, sorry ;-) Brgds Harry ___ freebsd-questions@freeb

Re: reconfigure a port after install

2007-08-09 Thread Pablo Mora
On 8/9/07, Harry Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:57:46PM -0600, Miguel wrote: > > Hi, i have installed postfix + sasl2 support, so far so good but now i > > want to enable mysql auth and sasl2 was not compiled with mysql support, > > i tried desinstalling it but it cl

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 12:30:32PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > >For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. > > > > a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... > > Try it, you will find o

Re: Issues while authenticating a user over openLDAP using PAM_ldap [cured]

2007-08-09 Thread Noah
see below Andy Harrison wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/9/07, Noah wrote: running FreeBSD 6.2 Stable we have openLDAP installed on a server called access1. Users on access1 appear to not be able to ssh to access1. The ssh authentication method uses PAM ldap. PA

Re: IDE ultraDMA problem

2007-08-09 Thread Mario Lobo
On Wednesday 08 August 2007 22:00, you wrote: > > use some FAST WM without unneeded things (eg. icewm) just to run your > music program. Point taken ! > > please show me dmesg lines about your disk and controller, when running > with DMA. > > possibly IDE driver needs patching. > The attached ID

Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background

2007-08-09 Thread Jonathan Horne
On Thursday 09 August 2007 15:31:01 Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Reid Linnemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Written by Sean Murphy on 08/09/07 15:15>> > > > > > How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used > > > > > > cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 > > > make install clean & > > > >

Re: How can i import Corel Draw vectorial files?

2007-08-09 Thread Hakan K
*XnView* http://perso.orange.fr/pierre.g/xnview/enhome.html I hope it helps... Thanks Hakan http://primoris.com On 8/9/07, Damian Vicino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am getting CDR files form another department (and they dont know how

How can i import Corel Draw vectorial files?

2007-08-09 Thread Damian Vicino
I am getting CDR files form another department (and they dont know how or dont want to export as .ps). I just need to open them to show my boss and give oks about the work they doing. Do you know any software in the port collection or somewhere else that can open these files or at least export t

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RE: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Michael K. Smith - Adhost
Hello Some Person who may Be "Robert" > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Latitude > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:22 PM > To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Convince me, please! > > I'm interested in changi

Re: What's the secret to gnome-terminal "open link?"

2007-08-09 Thread David Benfell
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:22:08 +1000, Norberto Meijome wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 19:12:22 -0700 > David Benfell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would really like the "open link" function to work under > > gnome-terminal. But I can't find any relevant configuration > > and a Google search comes

Re: Utility to change a byte in a binary file?

2007-08-09 Thread Nikola Lecic
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:25:17 + "V.I.Victor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It sure seems that this should be simple, but my searches have only > turned up inter-active hex/disk editors. I'm probably "asking" wrong. > > I have a large binary file (>700 meg) and I know that there is a > single w

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread David Kelly
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:34:47PM -0500, Reid Linnemann wrote: > Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:56>> > > > >What "standard utility" in FreeBSD didn't start somewhere outside of > >BSD? > > I'm not talking about origins, I'm talking about maintainers. The > software you've listed are mainta

Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background

2007-08-09 Thread Harry Jensen
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:15:12PM -0700, Sean Murphy wrote: > How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used > > cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 > make install clean & It is in the background, but if there is output from the process, you will see it. A solution could be "make install

cheap (supported) wifi card

2007-08-09 Thread Don Hinton
Hi: I recently purchased a new HP dv9500t laptop. Unfortunately, the Intel 4965AGN wireless card it came with isn't supported (yet). I tried to use ndisgen, but it caused a panic (both 6.2 and 7.0-current). Since I'd like to continue using FreeBSD as my desktop (laptop) OS, and need wireless ac

Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background

2007-08-09 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Reid Linnemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Written by Sean Murphy on 08/09/07 15:15>> > > How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used > > > > cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 > > make install clean & > > > > it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground > > > > Wh

Re: reconfigure a port after install

2007-08-09 Thread Harry Jensen
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:57:46PM -0600, Miguel wrote: > Hi, i have installed postfix + sasl2 support, so far so good but now i > want to enable mysql auth and sasl2 was not compiled with mysql support, > i tried desinstalling it but it claims postfix depends on it, so how do > i add mysql supp

Re: reconfigure a port after install

2007-08-09 Thread Nikola Lecic
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:57:46 -0600 Miguel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, i have installed postfix + sasl2 support, so far so good but now > i want to enable mysql auth and sasl2 was not compiled with mysql > support, i tried desinstalling it but it claims postfix depends on > it, so how do i add

Utility to change a byte in a binary file?

2007-08-09 Thread V.I.Victor
It sure seems that this should be simple, but my searches have only turned up inter-active hex/disk editors. I'm probably "asking" wrong. I have a large binary file (>700 meg) and I know that there is a single wrong byte. I also know it's exact location in the file. Is there a command-line u

Re: How do I make install clean a port in the background

2007-08-09 Thread Reid Linnemann
Written by Sean Murphy on 08/09/07 15:15>> How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 make install clean & it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground What am I doing wrong? ___ freebsd-questi

How do I make install clean a port in the background

2007-08-09 Thread Sean Murphy
How do I make install clean a port in the background? I used cd /usr/ports/www/apache22 make install clean & it returns the pid but then compiles in the foreground What am I doing wrong? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.fr

py2[45]-dbus package oddity

2007-08-09 Thread Tim Judd
I'm not sure where this message is better directed, to either the port maintainer or the questions list. The answer is probably the ports list.. [Crossposted] There are two packages that are indicated as installed, py24-dbus and py25-dbus. Both of these look like identical packages, same versio

Re: Issues while authenticating a user over openLDAP using PAM_ldap

2007-08-09 Thread Andy Harrison
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/9/07, Noah wrote: > running FreeBSD 6.2 Stable > > we have openLDAP installed on a server called access1. Users on access1 > appear to not be able to ssh to access1. The ssh authentication method > uses PAM ldap. PAM_ldap reports "Invalid cr

reconfigure a port after install

2007-08-09 Thread Miguel
Hi, i have installed postfix + sasl2 support, so far so good but now i want to enable mysql auth and sasl2 was not compiled with mysql support, i tried desinstalling it but it claims postfix depends on it, so how do i add mysql support to the installed sasl2 port? Im using portinstall btw, than

Issues while authenticating a user over openLDAP using PAM_ldap

2007-08-09 Thread Noah
running FreeBSD 6.2 Stable we have openLDAP installed on a server called access1. Users on access1 appear to not be able to ssh to access1. The ssh authentication method uses PAM ldap. PAM_ldap reports "Invalid credentials" in /var/log/messages We have another server called access2 that authe

Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI"

2007-08-09 Thread Erik Osterholm
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:20:13PM +0200, Rolf G Nielsen wrote: > >My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She saw > >my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know why i > >was using such an "old" computer. She had the visual aspect of the user > >interfac

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Reid Linnemann
Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:56>> On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 12:33:20PM -0500, Reid Linnemann wrote: Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:30>> On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. a very little unix (few t

Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI"

2007-08-09 Thread Rolf G Nielsen
Reid Linnemann wrote: My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She saw my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know why i was using such an "old" computer. She had the visual aspect of the user interface ingrained as a measure of the capabilities of t

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Re: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Supported ???

2007-08-09 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Alain G. Fabry wrote: > Hello, > > Is the following audio '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio' supported > on FreeBSD6.2? > > If so, which device do I need to load in the kernel or how can I get it to > work. > > Many thanks, > > Alain > ___ > f

Re: upgrading FBSD6-1-R==>6.2-R

2007-08-09 Thread meevans
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Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread David Kelly
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 12:33:20PM -0500, Reid Linnemann wrote: > Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:30>> > >On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>>For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. > >>a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky ov

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Reid Linnemann
Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:30>> On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works wit

Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI"

2007-08-09 Thread Nikola Lecic
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:15:08 -0500 Reid Linnemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My ten year old niece has been brainwashed by the GUI quagmire. She > saw my FreeBSD 6-STABLE console on my amd64 3000+ and wanted to know > why i was using such an "old" computer. [...] Granted, it could be > only beca

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread David Kelly
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > >For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. > > a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without hassle. MacOS X comes with more

Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI"

2007-08-09 Thread Nikola Lecic
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:04:50 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > desktop system should be, so FreeBSD with GUI apps _is_ > > -- or can be if you want -- a "perfect desktop system". > > i don't use GUI. it takes a lot and gives nothing. i use both text > and graphic (X) base

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Robert C Wittig
Brian Astill wrote: On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:02:55 pm Bob Middaugh wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. The switch will not be particularly easy. Yo

Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI"

2007-08-09 Thread Reid Linnemann
Written by Wojciech Puchar on 08/09/07 12:04>> desktop system should be, so FreeBSD with GUI apps _is_ -- or can be if you want -- a "perfect desktop system". i don't use GUI. it takes a lot and gives nothing. i use both text and graphic (X) based apps and no gui. i use fvwm2 with my config, t

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri
On 8/9/07, Latitude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Adam Vande More
It's already been mentioned, but I would strongly recommend PCBSD for the windows convert. Having PCBSD allows me to easily setup friends and family with systems that function more like they're used while maintaining all FreeBSD funtionality including the ports tree, blessed be the FreeBSD maintai

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On August 8, 2007 11:22:26 PM -0500 Latitude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the secon

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I deeply disagree here. Any comparison between FreeBSD and window$ in that field is bogus. What an "excellent job" is windows$ doing? washes hundreds millions of brains, to produce constant wide enough stream of cash to microsoft ___ freebsd-questio

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. Simple, Use a live CD. RoFreesbie, Knoppix, Ubuntu, and several knoppix DVD is very nice. it's actually useful with not very modern (damn cheap) computer without hard disk+pendrive or with very small hard disk. excellent for desktop

Re: Convince me, please! - too much about "GUI"

2007-08-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
desktop system should be, so FreeBSD with GUI apps _is_ -- or can be if you want -- a "perfect desktop system". i don't use GUI. it takes a lot and gives nothing. i use both text and graphic (X) based apps and no gui. i use fvwm2 with my config, there are plenty of nice other wm's good for tha

Re: Sending test messages (was Re: don't read it)

2007-08-09 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:59:44AM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Jean-Pierre Trophardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Duane Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe > > > to it and use it for test message sending. > >

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Windows does an excellent job of running on almost any hardware. (how well it runs is up for debate) because hardware manufacturers make drivers. only because of that. very little drivers was coded by microsoft by itself, contrary to FreeBSD which has LOTS of drivers included. and running

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I don't know that such a claim is ever made from within FreeBSD. FreeBSD is Unix, for and by those who know and love Unix. Linux is the one that's wwhy i switched from linux to NetBSD then FreeBSD few years ago. wanting to be a better Windows than Windows. and getting worse windows actually

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Nikola Lecic
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:22:51 -0400 Mark Moellering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Windows does an excellent job of running on almost any hardware. > (how well it runs is up for debate) > FreeBSD is also pretty good at running on just about any hardware, > however, you may need to do some file manipu

Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out

2007-08-09 Thread Bram Schoenmakers
Op donderdag 09 augustus 2007, schreef Alex Zbyslaw: Hello, > Bram Schoenmakers wrote: > ># /sbin/dump -0uan -L -h 0 -f - / | /usr/bin/bzip2 | /usr/bin/ssh > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] \ > >dd of=/backup/webserver/root.0.bz2 > > bzip2 is darned slow and not always much better than gzip -9. It mi

[solved] Re: How do I change atime/noatime on mounted filesystem?

2007-08-09 Thread Karol Kwiatkowski
Karol Kwiatkowski wrote: > Hi all, > > this is probably a silly question but... how do I change mount options > to get atime back (after setting 'noatime') on mounted filesystem? > > I can't see option 'atime' in mount(8) but there's no 'suid' either. > Here's what I'm trying to do: > > # mount

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Brian Astill
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:02:55 pm Bob Middaugh wrote: > > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but > > I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful > > argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. Simple, Use a live CD. RoFreesbie, Knoppix, Ubuntu, and

Re: don't read it

2007-08-09 Thread Duane Hill
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 at 16:50 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] confabulated: Duane Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe to it and use it for test message sending. As you guest it was just for test message sending to THIS ONE. Sorry for the

Sending test messages (was Re: don't read it)

2007-08-09 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Jean-Pierre Trophardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Duane Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe > > to it and use it for test message sending. > > > > As you guest it was just for test message sending to THIS ONE. > >

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Nikola Lecic
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > a "perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have > > previously known only Windows." It's not, and it never will be. > > never say never, but i wish too it will never be. Please note that

Re: don't read it

2007-08-09 Thread Duane Hill
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 at 15:44 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] confabulated: Duane Hill wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe to it and use it for test message sending. Don't even need to subscribe:-) You can view the archives at http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/arch

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Mark Moellering
There is a lot to your question that you may not realize. I think before answering your question, a brief discussion of computers is appropriate. A computer is a phenomenally complex system of parts. If you go to the website of a major Motherboard manufacturer, you will see a huge list of spe

Re: don't read it

2007-08-09 Thread Jean-Pierre Trophardy
Duane Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe > to it and use it for test message sending. > As you guest it was just for test message sending to THIS ONE. Sorry for the inconvenience. -- Jean-Pierre Trophardy

upgrading FBSD6-1-R==>6.2-R

2007-08-09 Thread luizbcampos
I'm one of subscribers of FreeBSD mailing lists and I saw your announce at one of these lists about your online book. You have made a magnific work and despite of being a linux user for nearly ten years I decided to use FBSD too. The system is well documented and I've learned to love it. Thanks to

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Rogelio Bastardo
Latitude wrote: but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I suggest you not change from Windows to BSD. It looks like you're best off with an operating system that requires little to no input on your part to set up.

Re: don't read it

2007-08-09 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Duane Hill wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine for sending test messages. Subscribe to it and use it for test message sending. Don't even need to subscribe:-) You can view the archives at http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/freebsd-test.html or http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-

Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out

2007-08-09 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: Keep in mind that dump(8) uses UFS2 snapshots. I don't know the current status, but in the past, snapshots were not working that good. This statement is far too general and IMHO does a disservice to those who worked on snapshots. There were (and maybe even are, but I

Re: don't read it

2007-08-09 Thread Duane Hill
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don't read it, test

2007-08-09 Thread trphfreebsdquestions
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don't read it

2007-08-09 Thread Jean-Pierre Trophardy
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Re: 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Supported ???

2007-08-09 Thread Nikos Vassiliadis
On Thursday 09 August 2007 09:50, Alain G. Fabry wrote: > Hello, > > Is the following audio '82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio' > supported on FreeBSD6.2? It's merged to RELENG_6 also known as FreeBSD-STABLE. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/modules/sound/driver/hda/Makefile

Re: Convince me

2007-08-09 Thread Mary Evans
Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon > the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelm

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread DAve
Latitude wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argum

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread David Kelly
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 11:22:26PM -0500, Latitude wrote: > I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have > to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows > users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD > jargon the second I get to y

Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out

2007-08-09 Thread Nikos Vassiliadis
On Thursday 09 August 2007 16:43, Bram Schoenmakers wrote: > Op donderdag 09 augustus 2007, schreef u: > > Try using a much lower MTU, something like 1400 or perhaps lower, > > just for testing. You should configure this, on both client and > > server. > > > > I'm not familiar with ipf to give the

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Warren Block
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Latitude wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, Why? but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. FreeBSD finds users by being a quality operating system, not by trying

Re: Problem with dump over SSH: Operation timed out

2007-08-09 Thread Bram Schoenmakers
Op donderdag 09 augustus 2007, schreef u: > Try using a much lower MTU, something like 1400 or perhaps lower, > just for testing. You should configure this, on both client and server. > > I'm not familiar with ipf to give the exact rule, but I would allow > ALL ICMP traffic, at least for testing p

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Bart Silverstrim
Latitude wrote: I'm interested in changing over to FreeBSD from Windows, but I'll have to say, you guys don't really present a forceful argument to Windows users of how easy the switch may be. I get knee-deep in FreeBSD jargon the second I get to your webpage. I need to see an overwhelming argum

Re: Convince me, please!

2007-08-09 Thread Wojciech Puchar
a "perfectly acceptable alternative for home desktop users who have previously known only Windows." It's not, and it never will be. never say never, but i wish too it will never be. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.o

Re: Partitioning question

2007-08-09 Thread Alain G. Fabry
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:11:19AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 08:57:36AM +0200, Alain G. Fabry wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I've partitioned my HD into 3 partitions. > > > > One is currently running FreeBSD6.2, the second has my data files (home > > directories). >

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