Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-07 Thread Stanislav Sedov
On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 11:39:14 +0200 Michel Talon mentioned: > > Your answer is very interesting and allows me to go further in the > reasoning. Indeed the UPDATING file is here to solve edge cases. My > point is that there shouldn't be any edge cases, if there are some it is > because something so

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-07 Thread Stanislav Sedov
On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 15:33:02 +0200 "Julian H. Stacey" mentioned: > Hi, > Suggestion: pkgdb is too cryptic even with -v, > it needs more explanation what it is up to & > particularly what decisions it asks from user > Hi, Julian! Thanks for the great suggestions, I will try to improve the mess

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-03 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Sep 03, 2011 at 11:26:07AM +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: > > I'd support a motion to replace "dependency" by "requisite" in port and > package management tools to remove the ambiguity. I think that's a terrible idea. If we are going to change the terms used for such things, we should ang

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-03 Thread Jos Backus
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Lars Eighner wrote: > On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > > The correct word for what computer people call a dependency is >>> 'requisite.' >>> Perl is a requisite of my script. My script is a dependency of perl. >>> >> >> If somebody decides to "fix" t

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-03 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > ... but I am a > non-native user of the English language). ... > Correct English is good, but but plain, simple and common English is better. Yes :-) (I'm native English, but in Germany). I also believe shorter sentences work better (in either language). Easy to forge

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-03 Thread Lars Eighner
On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: The correct word for what computer people call a dependency is 'requisite.' Perl is a requisite of my script.  My script is a dependency of perl. If somebody decides to "fix" the language of these tools (or any tools for that matter), they should ke

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-03 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello, On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Lars Eighner wrote: > I am a little hurt that my own authority does not suffice for both the New > York Times Book Review and the Time Literary Supplement (that's in London, > y'all) have remarked on my mastery of the English language.  But much more > than

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-03 Thread Matthias Andree
Am 03.09.2011 09:56, schrieb Lars Eighner: > The correct word for what computer people call a dependency is 'requisite.' > Perl is a requisite of my script. My script is a dependency of perl. > ... > Because programmers are such geniuses, the > idea of consulting working writers before they begi

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-03 Thread Janketh Jay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/03/2011 01:56 AM, Lars Eighner wrote: > On Fri, 2 Sep 2011, Doug Barton wrote: > >> On 09/02/2011 14:58, Lars Eighner wrote: > >>> The main thing here, of course, is that ports uses "dependency" in >>> the >>> exact opposite of its normal Englis

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-03 Thread Lars Eighner
On Fri, 2 Sep 2011, Doug Barton wrote: On 09/02/2011 14:58, Lars Eighner wrote: The main thing here, of course, is that ports uses "dependency" in the exact opposite of its normal English sense (just as twitter uses "following" in the exact opposite of its normal English sense). In normal En

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-03 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/03/2011 07:09, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: > In normal English, I would not expect hence my recommendation to go do some research. :) -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of kn

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-03 Thread perryh
Doug Barton wrote: > On 09/02/2011 14:58, Lars Eighner wrote: > > The main thing here, of course, is that ports uses "dependency" > > in the exact opposite of its normal English sense (just as > > twitter uses "following" in the exact opposite of its normal > > English sense). > > > > In normal

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/02/2011 14:58, Lars Eighner wrote: > The main thing here, of course, is that ports uses "dependency" in the > exact > opposite of its normal English sense (just as twitter uses "following" in > the exact opposite of its normal English sense). > > In normal Engish 'X is a dependency of Y' mea

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-02 Thread Lars Eighner
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Hi, Suggestion: pkgdb is too cryptic even with -v, it needs more explanation what it is up to & particularly what decisions it asks from user Of course you never see messages from pkgdb unless something has gone wrong. Some things go wrong in common

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-02 Thread Chris Rees
On 2 Sep 2011 20:53, "Mark Linimon" wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 11:39:14AM +0200, Michel Talon wrote: > > My point is that there shouldn't be any edge cases > > In a perfect world: yes. > > > I certainly don't have any precise idea of the things which should be > > changed so that edge case

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-02 Thread Mark Linimon
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 11:39:14AM +0200, Michel Talon wrote: > My point is that there shouldn't be any edge cases In a perfect world: yes. > I certainly don't have any precise idea of the things which should be > changed so that edge cases disappear Well, then, we're right back where we started

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/02/2011 02:39, Michel Talon wrote: > Your answer is very interesting and allows me to go further in the > reasoning. Indeed the UPDATING file is here to solve edge cases. My > point is that there shouldn't be any edge cases, if there are some it is > because something somewhere has been ill d

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-02 Thread Michel Talon
Robert Huff said: >Michel TALON writes: > >> Finally >> the file UPDATING should be forcefully removed from the system > > While I support all reasonable efforts to get automation to >always Do The Right Thing(tm), my reaction to this is: absolutely >not. > Until you can show there

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-01 Thread Robert Huff
Michel TALON writes: > Finally > the file UPDATING should be forcefully removed from the system While I support all reasonable efforts to get automation to always Do The Right Thing(tm), my reaction to this is: absolutely not. Until you can show there are no, and will never aga

Re: suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-01 Thread Michel TALON
Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Suggestion: pkgdb is too cryptic even with -v, > it needs more explanation what it is up to & > particularly what decisions it asks from user > . This is a point i have studied a long time, notably i have read the ruby code doing that. There are a lot of heuristics

suggestion for pkgdb from ports-mgmt/portupgrade: add more explanation

2011-09-01 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Hi, Suggestion: pkgdb is too cryptic even with -v, it needs more explanation what it is up to & particularly what decisions it asks from user (I started with 8.2-Release pkgdb then moved to current pkgdb, some fragments of run examples below): % pkgdb -F -v Checking for