Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-19 Thread Jean-Baptiste Quenot
* Roman Bogorodskiy: > 2. Port tree is unstable > > IMO, port tree is not very stable. I mean: we're all human and > more or less often make mistakes and inaccurate commits. So you > cannot be sure that if you cvsup/portsnap your tree, it will not > break something (e.g. because of some typo

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-18 Thread Mark Linimon
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 04:21:38PM +0400, Roman Bogorodskiy wrote: > > There are severe logistical problems: Ports are currently expected to > > build for at least 3 different src branches, with between 2 and 6 > > different architectures in each. Multiply this by over 15,000 ports > > and that pr

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-18 Thread Roman Bogorodskiy
Peter Jeremy wrote: > > There are severe logistical problems: Ports are currently expected to > build for at least 3 different src branches, with between 2 and 6 > different architectures in each. Multiply this by over 15,000 ports > and that process isn't going to work. And this ignores inte

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-18 Thread Dmitry Marakasov
* Roman Bogorodskiy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > 2. Port tree is unstable > > IMO, port tree is not very stable. I mean: we're all human and more or > less often make mistakes and inaccurate commits. So you cannot be sure > that if you cvsup/portsnap your tree, it will not break something > (e.g.

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-18 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 02:21:38PM +0400, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > When/if we get a new VCS, where branching is not as painful > as it is now, I expect it to be used extensively by developers. > > Projects can be then brought back into our main repo from > marcuscom, p4 and other local repos. We

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-18 Thread Andrew Pantyukhin
When/if we get a new VCS, where branching is not as painful as it is now, I expect it to be used extensively by developers. Projects can be then brought back into our main repo from marcuscom, p4 and other local repos. We often work on some things together and/or from multiple locations. It feels

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-18 Thread (LI Xin)
在 2006-08-18五的 10:50 +0400,Roman Bogorodskiy写道: > Paul Schmehl wrote: > > > As a maintainer of several ports, I can assure you that I would not be > > interested in doing *more* work on the ports than I already am. And my > > ports are relatively simple ones. Imagine the guys who do KDE and

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-18 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 10:45:37AM +0400, Roman Bogorodskiy wrote: > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > > If this comes up every few months, then it's really needed, isn't it? > > > > No, it means that a handful of people think that it would be great if > > the rest of the people all started doing more

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-18 Thread Christopher Vance
On 8/18/06, Roman Bogorodskiy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not the only person who wants to have stable ports tree and binary packages. Actually, about 90% people whom I asked about that said it would be nice. OpenBSD does exactly what you want - a branched, stable ports tree, and a preferenc

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-17 Thread Roman Bogorodskiy
Paul Schmehl wrote: > As a maintainer of several ports, I can assure you that I would not be > interested in doing *more* work on the ports than I already am. And my > ports are relatively simple ones. Imagine the guys who do KDE and Gnome > and Xorg being asked to at least double their wor

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-17 Thread Roman Bogorodskiy
Kris Kennaway wrote: > > If this comes up every few months, then it's really needed, isn't it? > > No, it means that a handful of people think that it would be great if > the rest of the people all started doing more work to support their > idea. I'm not the only person who wants to have stabl

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-17 Thread Paul Schmehl
Kris Kennaway wrote: I'm not going to support this effort as part of the CVS ports tree (for the usual reasons when this comes up every few months), but If this comes up every few months, then it's really needed, isn't it? No, it means that a handful of people think that it would be great if

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-17 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 09:39:55AM +0400, Roman Bogorodskiy wrote: > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 04:33:35PM +0400, Roman Bogorodskiy wrote: > > > > > II Solutions > > > > > > Yeah, I'm going to talk about ports tree

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-17 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Wed, 2006-Aug-16 16:33:35 +0400, Roman Bogorodskiy wrote: >Yeah, I'm going to talk about ports tree tagging again :-). So what I >propose: having HEAD and STABLE (or whatever you want't to call it, >so e.g. not to confuse with src/) branches. Committers commit all >patch

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-16 Thread Roman Bogorodskiy
Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 04:33:35PM +0400, Roman Bogorodskiy wrote: > > > II Solutions > > > > Yeah, I'm going to talk about ports tree tagging again :-). So what I > > propose: having HEAD and STABLE (or whatever you want't to c

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-16 Thread Roman Bogorodskiy
Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 01:28:36PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > I think someone (kuriyama?) was in fact already doing this, so getting > > the project started would not involve much work. > > Yes, that was already set up, but does not appear to be active. I don't > kno

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-16 Thread Roman Bogorodskiy
t deal with on a stable system. > > There's always something that can go wrong, especially if you deal with > messy ports that require a compatibility layer. But native builds cause > problems very rarely. > > > II Solutions > > > > Yeah, I'm going to talk about p

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-16 Thread Jean-Yves Lefort
sure > that if you cvsup/portsnap your tree, it will not break something > (e.g. because of some typo). It's OK to have such errors in general, and > we can do nothing with it, but there are a lot of silly errors which > could be avoided and you definitely don't deal with on a sta

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-16 Thread Mark Linimon
On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 01:28:36PM -0400, Kris Kennaway wrote: > I think someone (kuriyama?) was in fact already doing this, so getting > the project started would not involve much work. Yes, that was already set up, but does not appear to be active. I don't know if the link was supposed to be br

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-16 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 04:33:35PM +0400, Roman Bogorodskiy wrote: > II Solutions > > Yeah, I'm going to talk about ports tree tagging again :-). So what I > propose: having HEAD and STABLE (or whatever you want't to call it, > so e.g. not to confuse with src/) branch

Re: ports tree tagging again

2006-08-16 Thread [LoN]Kamikaze
errors which > could be avoided and you definitely don't deal with on a stable system. There's always something that can go wrong, especially if you deal with messy ports that require a compatibility layer. But native builds cause problems very rarely. > II Solutions > > Yeah,

ports tree tagging again

2006-08-16 Thread Roman Bogorodskiy
it, but there are a lot of silly errors which could be avoided and you definitely don't deal with on a stable system. II Solutions Yeah, I'm going to talk about ports tree tagging again :-). So what I propose: having HEAD and STABLE (or whatever you want't to call it, so e.g. no