Quoting Baptiste Daroussin (from Fri, 6 Oct 2017
15:34:58 +0200):
Speaking solely for myself, I am more than pleased by all the work
Baptiste and fellow developers have put into the ports infrastructure.
THANK YOU! But also, portmaster is a life saver for me with my 4GB
build machine, so I h
On Fri, 6 Oct 2017 18:46:08 +1100 (EST) Dave Horsfall wrote
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2017, Chris H wrote:
>
> >> I'll second that.-- George (old fart w/50 years software experience)
> >
> > WooHoo! another greybeard! I'm at ~50yrs myself!
>
> Only 47 years exp here (the last 42 with Unix).
..and Uni
On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 01:28:59PM +, George Mitchell wrote:
> On 10/06/17 04:20, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:13:42AM +, Steve Kargl wrote:
> >> On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 09:41:28AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 05:15:18PM +, S
On 10/06/17 04:20, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:13:42AM +, Steve Kargl wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 09:41:28AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 05:15:18PM +, Steve Kargl wrote:
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 12:16:49PM -0400, Michael
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 10:08:54PM +, Baho Utot wrote:
>
>
> On 10/05/17 16:27, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
> >
> > On 05/10/2017 19:54, Baho Utot wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/04/17 16:39, Ernie Luzar wrote:
> > >
> > > > Here's my take on that.
> > > >
> > > > The future direction has alrea
On Friday 06 Oct 2017 00:29:17 tech-lists wrote:
> I'd use packages more were it not for the received wisdom that mixing
> packages and ports is a Bad Thing (tm) - is this still the case?
The main thing is to keep your ports tree synchronised with the version used
for the
package repository. I
On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:13:42AM +, Steve Kargl wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 09:41:28AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 05:15:18PM +, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 12:16:49PM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Poudriere real
On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 09:41:28AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 05:15:18PM +, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 12:16:49PM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> > >
> > > Poudriere really needs its own small book. Yes, you can do simple
> > > poudriere ins
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017, Chris H wrote:
I'll second that.-- George (old fart w/50 years software experience)
WooHoo! another greybeard! I'm at ~50yrs myself!
Only 47 years exp here (the last 42 with Unix).
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 05:15:18PM +, Steve Kargl wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 12:16:49PM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> >
> > Poudriere really needs its own small book. Yes, you can do simple
> > poudriere installs, but once you start covering it properly the docs
> > quickly expand. My
On 06/10/2017 00:29, tech-lists wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 12:22:30PM +0100, Mike Clarke wrote:
>
>> the currently available package is built against php56. Using
>> poudriere for this one task would
>> be equivalent to using a steamroller to crack a peanut. Building
>> phpMyAdmin from ports
Hi!
> I'd vote to have Chris H be the maintainer of this port.
> Why knock the guy if he wants to invest his time and
> energy into doing something to help the project?
> Does it cause anyone pain to see someone working on
> maintaining the project? Why would someone say no you cannot maintain thi
I'd vote to have Chris H be the maintainer of this port.
Why knock the guy if he wants to invest his time and
energy into doing something to help the project?
Does it cause anyone pain to see someone working on
maintaining the project? Why would someone say no you cannot maintain this
port,
especia
Hi!
> > a few inquiries regarding taking maintainer for the port. My request
> > was ultimately declined. I was deemed unqualified. That judgement was
> > unfounded. :(
Right now, tz@ is the maintainer of ports-mgmt/portmaster.
If someone wants to become maintainer, the best way is to
look at th
On Thu, 05 Oct 2017 15:37:08 -0700 "Chris H" wrote
> > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:52:51 -0600 Adam Weinberger wrote
---8<---8<---
> > > Seem a reasonable request? If [found] so, I'll solicit for qualified
> > > individuals to work with me on it in a new thread.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your time, and c
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 19:59:51 -0400 George Mitchell
wrote
> On 10/05/17 18:13, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> Seem a reasonable request? If [found] so, I'll solicit for qualified
> >> individuals to work with me on it in a new thread.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your time, and consideration
> >
>
On 10/05/17 18:13, Adam Weinberger wrote:
>> [...]
>> Seem a reasonable request? If [found] so, I'll solicit for qualified
>> individuals to work with me on it in a new thread.
>>
>> Thanks for your time, and consideration
>
> [...]
> Let me know what you need. I'll give you whatever support I can
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 12:22:30PM +0100, Mike Clarke wrote:
the currently available package is built against php56. Using poudriere for
this one task would
be equivalent to using a steamroller to crack a peanut. Building phpMyAdmin
from ports is no
great problem for me and perhaps future deve
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 22:59:31 + Grzegorz Junka wrote
> On 05/10/2017 22:15, Chris H wrote:
> > On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 20:27:19 + Grzegorz Junka wrote
> >
> >> On 05/10/2017 19:54, Baho Utot wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 10/04/17 16:39, Ernie Luzar wrote:
> >>>
> Here's my take on that.
>
> >
On 05/10/2017 22:15, Chris H wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 20:27:19 + Grzegorz Junka wrote
On 05/10/2017 19:54, Baho Utot wrote:
On 10/04/17 16:39, Ernie Luzar wrote:
Here's my take on that.
The future direction has already been decided by the FreeBSD leaders
2 years ago with their devel
On 05/10/2017 22:27, Chris H wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 22:05:05 + Grzegorz Junka wrote
On 05/10/2017 21:53, Chris H wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:52:51 -0600 Adam Weinberger wrote
On 5 Oct, 2017, at 10:28, Steve Kargl
wrote:
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 09:31:41AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wr
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 16:13:36 -0600 Adam Weinberger wrote
> > On 5 Oct, 2017, at 15:53, Chris H wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:52:51 -0600 Adam Weinberger wrote
> >
> >>> On 5 Oct, 2017, at 10:28, Steve Kargl
> >>> wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 09:31:41AM -0600, Adam Weinberger w
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 22:05:05 + Grzegorz Junka wrote
> On 05/10/2017 21:53, Chris H wrote:
> > On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:52:51 -0600 Adam Weinberger wrote
> >
> >>> On 5 Oct, 2017, at 10:28, Steve Kargl
> >>> wrote:
> >>> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 09:31:41AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> > On
On 05/10/2017 22:08, Baho Utot wrote:
On 10/05/17 16:27, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
On 05/10/2017 19:54, Baho Utot wrote:
On 10/04/17 16:39, Ernie Luzar wrote:
Here's my take on that.
The future direction has already been decided by the FreeBSD
leaders 2 years ago with their development of
On 10/05/17 14:53, Chris H wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:52:51 -0600 Adam Weinberger wrote
On 5 Oct, 2017, at 10:28, Steve Kargl
wrote:
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 09:31:41AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote:
On 5 Oct, 2017, at 9:25, Steve Kargl
wrote: Which brings me back to my i686 laptop with lim
> On 5 Oct, 2017, at 15:53, Chris H wrote:
>
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:52:51 -0600 Adam Weinberger wrote
>
>>> On 5 Oct, 2017, at 10:28, Steve Kargl
>>> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 09:31:41AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> On 5 Oct, 2017, at 9:25, Steve Kargl
> wrote: Which bri
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 20:27:19 + Grzegorz Junka wrote
> On 05/10/2017 19:54, Baho Utot wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 10/04/17 16:39, Ernie Luzar wrote:
> >
> >> Here's my take on that.
> >>
> >> The future direction has already been decided by the FreeBSD leaders
> >> 2 years ago with their development
On 10/05/17 16:27, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
On 05/10/2017 19:54, Baho Utot wrote:
On 10/04/17 16:39, Ernie Luzar wrote:
Here's my take on that.
The future direction has already been decided by the FreeBSD leaders
2 years ago with their development of a better pkg system.
[putolin]
Don
On 05/10/2017 21:53, Chris H wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:52:51 -0600 Adam Weinberger wrote
On 5 Oct, 2017, at 10:28, Steve Kargl
wrote:
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 09:31:41AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote:
On 5 Oct, 2017, at 9:25, Steve Kargl
wrote: Which brings me back to my i686 laptop with
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 15:54:32 -0400 Baho Utot wrote
> On 10/04/17 16:39, Ernie Luzar wrote:
>
> > Here's my take on that.
> >
> > The future direction has already been decided by the FreeBSD leaders 2
> > years ago with their development of a better pkg system.
> >
>
> [putolin]
>
> > Don't l
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:52:51 -0600 Adam Weinberger wrote
> > On 5 Oct, 2017, at 10:28, Steve Kargl
> > wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 09:31:41AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> >>> On 5 Oct, 2017, at 9:25, Steve Kargl
> >>> wrote: Which brings me back to my i686 laptop with limited resource
On 05/10/2017 19:54, Baho Utot wrote:
On 10/04/17 16:39, Ernie Luzar wrote:
Here's my take on that.
The future direction has already been decided by the FreeBSD leaders
2 years ago with their development of a better pkg system.
[putolin]
Don't let the few old school die hearts who are
On 05/10/2017 18:41, Steve Kargl wrote:
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 10:52:51AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote:
(courtesy long-line wrap)
You seem to be fully convinced in a conspiracy to destroy
portmaster, and I don't get the impression that I'm going
to change your mind. All I can tell you is tha
On 10/04/17 16:39, Ernie Luzar wrote:
Here's my take on that.
The future direction has already been decided by the FreeBSD leaders 2
years ago with their development of a better pkg system.
[putolin]
Don't let the few old school die hearts who are afraid of any change and
make the most
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 10:52:51AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote:
(courtesy long-line wrap)
> You seem to be fully convinced in a conspiracy to destroy
> portmaster, and I don't get the impression that I'm going
> to change your mind. All I can tell you is that impending
> portmaster breakage is N
> On 5 Oct, 2017, at 10:28, Steve Kargl
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 09:31:41AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote:
>>> On 5 Oct, 2017, at 9:25, Steve Kargl
>>> wrote:
>>> Which brings me back to my i686 laptop with limited resources.
>>> If portmgr makes it impractical/impossible to easily
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 09:31:41AM -0600, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> > On 5 Oct, 2017, at 9:25, Steve Kargl
> > wrote:
> > Which brings me back to my i686 laptop with limited resources.
> > If portmgr makes it impractical/impossible to easily install ports
> > without a sledge hammer, then testing
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 08:25:20AM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 05:59:41PM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 07:51:16AM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 11:35:58AM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Oct 04, 201
> On 5 Oct, 2017, at 9:25, Steve Kargl
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 05:59:41PM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 07:51:16AM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 11:35:58AM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 05:27:11P
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 05:59:41PM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 07:51:16AM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 11:35:58AM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 05:27:11PM -0700, Don Lewis wrote:
> > > > > The system in quest
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 07:51:16AM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 11:35:58AM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 05:27:11PM -0700, Don Lewis wrote:
> > > > The system in question is my last i686 laptop, which I
> > > > use for libm development and tes
On Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 11:35:58AM +0300, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 05:27:11PM -0700, Don Lewis wrote:
> > > The system in question is my last i686 laptop, which I
> > > use for libm development and testing. Once I cannot use
> > > that laptop (whether hardware failure
On Wednesday 04 Oct 2017 16:39:25 Ernie Luzar wrote:
> Here's my take on that.
>
> The future direction has already been decided by the FreeBSD leaders 2
> years ago with their development of a better pkg system.
>
> The package system with flavors will cover 90% of the user community
> needs. T
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 05:27:11PM -0700, Don Lewis wrote:
> > The system in question is my last i686 laptop, which I
> > use for libm development and testing. Once I cannot use
> > that laptop (whether hardware failure or inability to
> > update the installed ports), I'll stop worrying about a
Quoting Adam Weinberger (from Wed, 4 Oct 2017
19:14:22 -0600):
Portmaster is still very much a part of the current landscape, and
if somebody steps in to fix it (which I have every expectation will
happen eventually), it will continue being a usable alternative.
It would help to have a l
> On 5. Oct 2017, at 9:47 AM, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>
> On 05.10.2017 08:14, Adam Weinberger wrote:
>
>> Poudriere wants to be everything to everybody
>
> First poudriere will have to learn how to run without noticeable overhead
> compared to "just build from ports" before it could became "ev
On 05.10.2017 08:14, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> Poudriere wants to be everything to everybody
First poudriere will have to learn how to run without noticeable overhead
compared to "just build from ports" before it could became "everything to
everybody"
and it needs to became part of base system fo
On 05.10.2017 04:22, Steve Kargl wrote:
> I did not state that the "environment is constrained by poudriere".
> The environment is contrained due to resource limits. If you
> only have 1 Gb of memory and 5-10 GB diskspace, then using poudriere
> with zfs and jails is a nonstarter. Yes, I'm aware
> Why compile ports directly on a box that is so hardware constrained that it
> will take multiple hours to do, when a "pkg update; pkg upgrade" takes only
> a few minutes?
I tried really hard to run small virtual machine (1GB RAM, 25G disk) hosted at
Hetzner
without using ports and can say it's
Interesting thread, I've learned more about FreeBSD build here than almost
anywhere else.
Thanks OP for the email.
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017, 09:14 Adam Weinberger wrote:
> > On 4 Oct, 2017, at 10:16, Michael W. Lucas
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm doing tech edits on the new edition of "Absolute
> On 4 Oct, 2017, at 10:16, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm doing tech edits on the new edition of "Absolute FreeBSD," and
> stumbled into what's apparently a delicate topic.
>
> Some of my reviewers are happy I included portmaster in the book.
>
> Some reviewers beg me not to include
On 4 Oct, Steve Kargl wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 05:29:14PM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote:
>> Please understand that I'm not trying to be obstinate,
>> I'm trying to understand.
>
> Me too.
>
>> Background: years ago I managed the cluster of i386 blades
>> that we used in package building. 93
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 05:29:14PM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote:
> Please understand that I'm not trying to be obstinate,
> I'm trying to understand.
Me too.
> Background: years ago I managed the cluster of i386 blades
> that we used in package building. 933MHz and 512MB IIRC.
> So I am familiar wi
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 09:56:53PM +, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
> portmaster/portupgrade trade off doing less work with
> less resources in an attempt to produce less rigorously
> correct result
That was what I thought I said :-) or at least was trying
to say.
mcl
___
Please understand that I'm not trying to be obstinate,
I'm trying to understand.
Background: years ago I managed the cluster of i386 blades
that we used in package building. 933MHz and 512MB IIRC.
So I am familiar with constraint problems.
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 02:22:25PM -0700, Steve Kargl wr
On 04/10/2017 21:00, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 08:56:00PM +, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
Maybe I am just too ambitious or maybe poudriere is more
idiot-proof?
My possibly incorrect understanding is that poudriere
trades off doing a lot more work in an attempt to produce
more ri
On 04/10/2017 21:22, Steve Kargl wrote:
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 08:30:49PM +, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
On 04/10/2017 19:40, Steve Kargl wrote:
Ahem, yeah, so I'm not allowed to request a short description
on how to use poudiere in a resource constrained environment?
The environment isn't co
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 08:30:49PM +, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
>
> On 04/10/2017 19:40, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > Ahem, yeah, so I'm not allowed to request a short description
> > on how to use poudiere in a resource constrained environment?
> >
>
> The environment isn't constrained by poudriere bu
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
>
> On 04/10/2017 20:43, Mark Linimon wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 08:13:16PM +, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
>>
>>> I was trying
>>> to compile with the system that was being updated at the
>>> same time - this can't possibly work (or can
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 08:56:00PM +, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
> Maybe I am just too ambitious or maybe poudriere is more
> idiot-proof?
My possibly incorrect understanding is that poudriere
trades off doing a lot more work in an attempt to produce
more rigorously correct results.
mcl
__
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 04:39:25PM -0400, Ernie Luzar wrote:
> even the native ports system usage on personal machines
> wwill fade away.
I have seen this claim many times by users but AFAIR that
was never a goal. The feeling was that _most_ users would
migrate to using packages, once using packa
On 04/10/2017 20:43, Mark Linimon wrote:
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 08:13:16PM +, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
I was trying
to compile with the system that was being updated at the
same time - this can't possibly work (or can it?).
It works somewhere between "quite often" to "nearly all
the time".
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 08:13:16PM +, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
> I was trying
> to compile with the system that was being updated at the
> same time - this can't possibly work (or can it?).
It works somewhere between "quite often" to "nearly all
the time". It can vary depending on the complexity
Michael W. Lucas wrote:
Hi,
I'm doing tech edits on the new edition of "Absolute FreeBSD," and
stumbled into what's apparently a delicate topic.
Some of my reviewers are happy I included portmaster in the book.
Some reviewers beg me not to include it.
Unfortunately, people will be reading af3
On 04/10/2017 19:40, Steve Kargl wrote:
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 02:57:08PM -0400, George Mitchell wrote:
On 10/04/17 14:14, Steve Kargl wrote:
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 10:21:26AM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote:
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Steve Kargl <
s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
On 04/10/2017 16:16, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
Hi,
I'm doing tech edits on the new edition of "Absolute FreeBSD," and
stumbled into what's apparently a delicate topic.
Some of my reviewers are happy I included portmaster in the book.
Some reviewers beg me not to include it.
Unfortunately, peop
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 02:57:08PM -0400, George Mitchell wrote:
> On 10/04/17 14:14, Steve Kargl wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 10:21:26AM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote:
> >> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Steve Kargl <
> >> s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Oct 04, 20
On 10/04/17 14:14, Steve Kargl wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 10:21:26AM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Steve Kargl <
>> s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 12:16:49PM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
Poudriere really ne
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 10:21:26AM -0700, Freddie Cash wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Steve Kargl <
> s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 12:16:49PM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> > >
> > > Poudriere really needs its own small book. Yes, you can do
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Steve Kargl <
s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 12:16:49PM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> >
> > Poudriere really needs its own small book. Yes, you can do simple
> > poudriere installs, but once you start covering it properly the
On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 12:16:49PM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
>
> Poudriere really needs its own small book. Yes, you can do simple
> poudriere installs, but once you start covering it properly the docs
> quickly expand. My notes alone are longer than my af3e chapter
> limits. (I'll probably p
On 10/04/17 12:16, Michael W. Lucas wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm doing tech edits on the new edition of "Absolute FreeBSD," and
> stumbled into what's apparently a delicate topic.
>
> Some of my reviewers are happy I included portmaster in the book.
>
> Some reviewers beg me not to include it. [...]
It
Hi,
I'm doing tech edits on the new edition of "Absolute FreeBSD," and
stumbled into what's apparently a delicate topic.
Some of my reviewers are happy I included portmaster in the book.
Some reviewers beg me not to include it.
Unfortunately, people will be reading af3e and considering it
defin
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