Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-13 Thread John E Hein
Doug Barton wrote at 13:45 -0800 on Jan 12, 2008: > I have actually advocated in the past that ALL ports should have version > numbers, and that we then create virtual ports (symlinks, whatever) that > point to whatever is the "current" version of that software. Different > developers dislik

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-13 Thread Frank J. Laszlo
Doug Barton wrote: Dominic Fandrey wrote: Paul Schmehl wrote: 1) You can't build a dependent port and first set the config for the options that you want. So, when you select sasl in postfix, you never get the chance to check the saslauthd option, for example. As the ports man page states: #

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-12 Thread Doug Barton
RW wrote: Whilst this is a little irritating, and it would be nice to have it fixed, in practice it's not all that much of a problem. I didn't say it was. I just want to be sure that people understand the limitations of config-recursive, and at worst that they offer the same suggestion you

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-12 Thread RW
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:28:19 -0800 Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dominic Fandrey wrote: > > As the ports man page states: > > > > # make config-recursive > > > > does what you want. It's surprising how often people claim this > > feature is missing, even though it has been there ever

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-12 Thread Doug Barton
Paul Schmehl wrote: --On January 11, 2008 9:24:36 PM -0800 Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: First, thanks for you answer. Second, a clarification. I started this thread from the viewpoint of a port maintainer (I maintain about 10 ports) who is concerned about confusing users. Thank

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-12 Thread Doug Barton
Dominic Fandrey wrote: Paul Schmehl wrote: 1) You can't build a dependent port and first set the config for the options that you want. So, when you select sasl in postfix, you never get the chance to check the saslauthd option, for example. As the ports man page states: # make config-recursi

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-12 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Let me retract the comment about the OP contacting me privately I just looked back at my archived mail and relized the names where simelar but it was not the same person. Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > M. L. Dodson wrote: >> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>> -

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-12 Thread Mark Linimon
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 09:24:36PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > If you're not keen to learn the SGML there are people who can help > you with that, but coming up with good content that covers the needs > of people like you can (somewhat ironically) be done most easily by > people like you. I hope th

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-12 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M. L. Dodson wrote: > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> Dominic Fandrey wrote: >>> Paul Schmehl wrote: 1) You can't build a dependent port and first set the config for the options that you want.

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-12 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On January 11, 2008 9:24:36 PM -0800 Doug Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm going to try to combine your two posts so that I can answer in one, my apologies if I scramble something. First, thanks for you answer. Second, a clarification. I started this thread from the viewpoint of a

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-12 Thread M. L. Dodson
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dominic Fandrey wrote: Paul Schmehl wrote: 1) You can't build a dependent port and first set the config for the options that you want. So, when you select sasl in postfix, you never get the chance to check the saslauthd op

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-12 Thread Gerard
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:38:30 +0100 Dominic Fandrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Schmehl wrote: > > 1) You can't build a dependent port and first set the config for the > > options that you want. So, when you select sasl in postfix, you > > never get the chance to check the saslauthd option,

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-12 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dominic Fandrey wrote: > Paul Schmehl wrote: >> 1) You can't build a dependent port and first set the config for >> the options that you want. So, when you select sasl in postfix, >> you never get the chance to check the saslauthd option, for >> examp

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-12 Thread Dominic Fandrey
Paul Schmehl wrote: > 1) You can't build a dependent port and first set the config for the > options that you want. So, when you select sasl in postfix, you never > get the chance to check the saslauthd option, for example. As the ports man page states: # make config-recursive does what you wan

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-11 Thread Doug Barton
I'm going to try to combine your two posts so that I can answer in one, my apologies if I scramble something. Paul Schmehl wrote: Some of this has been discussed ad infinitum, but, in an off-list conversation, I came up with this list of suggested improvements for port. I'd like to see these

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-11 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Friday, January 11, 2008 12:23:31 -0600 Mark Linimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 11:10:45AM -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: The porters handbook seems written from the standpoint of a guide more than a manual. That's something that I was going to work on, um, last year

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-11 Thread M. L. Dodson
Guido Falsi wrote: Mark Linimon wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 06:40:35PM +0100, Guido Falsi wrote: I think that too much formalization in the porting rules would harm the system. That seems to have been the community consensus in the past. Nevertheless, the PH could use some improvement. M

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-11 Thread Guido Falsi
Mark Linimon wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 06:40:35PM +0100, Guido Falsi wrote: I think that too much formalization in the porting rules would harm the system. That seems to have been the community consensus in the past. Nevertheless, the PH could use some improvement. Most of what I've tri

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-11 Thread Mark Linimon
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 11:10:45AM -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote: > The porters handbook seems written from the standpoint of a guide more > than a manual. That's something that I was going to work on, um, last year :-) We need both. Right now we have this hybrid which isn't a completely satisfactor

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-11 Thread Mark Linimon
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 06:40:35PM +0100, Guido Falsi wrote: > I think that too much formalization in the porting rules would harm the > system. That seems to have been the community consensus in the past. Nevertheless, the PH could use some improvement. Most of what I've tried to put in there

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-11 Thread Scot Hetzel
On 1/11/08, Paul Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --On Friday, January 11, 2008 10:34:15 -0600 Scot Hetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > n 1/11/08, Paul Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Some of this has been discussed ad infinitum, but, in an off-list > >> conversation, I came up wi

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-11 Thread Boris Samorodov
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:29:14 -0600 Paul Schmehl wrote: Seems that some answers (well, maybe some not obvious, some lack examples, etc.) are already at the Porters Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/index.html > Some of this has been discussed ad infinitum

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-11 Thread Guido Falsi
Paul Schmehl wrote: Is this how it should always be done? This is my point. On many of these criteria there is an uncomfortable amount of "squishyness" so that port maintainers, *especially* new ones, are unsure what the "right" thing to do is. The porters handbook seems written from the s

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-11 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Friday, January 11, 2008 10:34:15 -0600 Scot Hetzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: n 1/11/08, Paul Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some of this has been discussed ad infinitum, but, in an off-list conversation, I came up with this list of suggested improvements for port. I'd like to see th

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-11 Thread Scot Hetzel
n 1/11/08, Paul Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some of this has been discussed ad infinitum, but, in an off-list > conversation, > I came up with this list of suggested improvements for port. I'd like to see > these things done, but I'm not sure how. Improve the docs? Create a > checklis

Re: Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-11 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Schmehl wrote: > Some of this has been discussed ad infinitum, but, in an off-list > conversation, I came up with this list of suggested improvements > for port. I'd like to see these things done, but I'm not sure how. > Improve the docs? Creat

Suggested improvements for ports

2008-01-11 Thread Paul Schmehl
Some of this has been discussed ad infinitum, but, in an off-list conversation, I came up with this list of suggested improvements for port. I'd like to see these things done, but I'm not sure how. Improve the docs? Create a checklist? 1) You can't build a dependent port and first set the co