Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 11:49:48AM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Reference:
> > > From: "Julian H. Stacey" =20
> > > Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 03:07:40 +0200=20
> > > Message-id: <201109020107.p8217efj089...@fire.js.berklix.net>=2
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 12:04:01PM +0200, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > > http://pkgin.net/
> [...]
> > > pkgin is known to work and have been tested under the following platforms
> [...]
> > So, what do you actually mean by this?
>
> Probably just this: What about trying to port pkgin for FreeB
On Fri, Sep 02, 2011 at 11:49:48AM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> Hi,
> Reference:
> > From: "Julian H. Stacey"
> > Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 03:07:40 +0200
> > Message-id: <201109020107.p8217efj089...@fire.js.berklix.net>
>
> I wrote:
> > Microsoft must grin at all
Kurt Jaeger wrote:
> Probably just this: What about trying to port pkgin for FreeBSD,
> so that pkgin can also be used on FreeBSD ?
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On 09/02/2011 06:25, Warren Block wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Sep 2011, Doug Barton wrote:
>
>> On 09/02/2011 02:24, Oliver Fromme wrote:
>>> Finally, I recommend to install ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves and
>>> run it regularly after updates
>>
>> portmaster -s does the same thing.
>
> Well, sorta. How it ch
Alexander Leidinger wrote:
> Quoting Oliver Fromme (from Fri, 2 Sep 2011
> 11:24:16 +0200 (CEST)):
>
> > The other extreme are people who run a cron job every night
> > that updates /usr/ports (*) and runs "400.status-pkg" (from
> > /etc/periodic/weekly), possibly even followed by an aut
Quoting Oliver Fromme (from Fri, 2 Sep 2011
11:24:16 +0200 (CEST)):
The other extreme are people who run a cron job every night
that updates /usr/ports (*) and runs "400.status-pkg" (from
/etc/periodic/weekly), possibly even followed by an automated
update (**). Of course this will sometimes
Doug Barton wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 02:24, Oliver Fromme wrote:
> > Finally, I recommend to install ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves and
> > run it regularly after updates
>
> portmaster -s does the same thing.
No. pkg_cutleaves finds ports that I have installed at some
point in the past and then f
On Fri, 2 Sep 2011, Doug Barton wrote:
On 09/02/2011 02:24, Oliver Fromme wrote:
Finally, I recommend to install ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves and
run it regularly after updates
portmaster -s does the same thing.
Well, sorta. How it chooses what to offer to remove is different.
portmaster -s o
> > No /pub/FreeBSD/branches/-current/ports/ports-mgmt/pkgin .
> > I'm not familiar with pkgin, but nice to see OS co-operation.
>
> So, what do you actually mean by this?
Re-read:
] Microsoft must grin at all us BSD, Linux,
] ... reinventing similar old ports shims for same old 3rd party
On 09/02/2011 12:04, Kurt Jaeger wrote:
Hi!
http://pkgin.net/
[...]
pkgin is known to work and have been tested under the following platforms
[...]
So, what do you actually mean by this?
Probably just this: What about trying to port pkgin for FreeBSD, so that
pkgin can also be used on Fre
Hi!
> > http://pkgin.net/
[...]
> > pkgin is known to work and have been tested under the following platforms
[...]
> So, what do you actually mean by this?
Probably just this: What about trying to port pkgin for FreeBSD, so that
pkgin can also be used on FreeBSD ?
If this solves the binary pkg-
On 2 Sep 2011 10:50, "Julian H. Stacey" wrote:
> FYI:
> http://www.minix3.org ->
> http://wiki.minix3.org/en/UsersGuide/InstallingBinaryPackages ->
> http://pkgin.net/
> "
> pkgin is known to work and have been tested under the following platforms
:
>* NetBSD 4.0
>* NetBSD 5.{0,1}
>* N
Hi,
Reference:
> From: "Julian H. Stacey"
> Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 03:07:40 +0200
> Message-id: <201109020107.p8217efj089...@fire.js.berklix.net>
I wrote:
> Microsoft must grin at all us BSD, Linux, maybe Solaris & presumably
> even now http://www.minix3.org free source enthu
On 09/02/2011 02:24, Oliver Fromme wrote:
> Finally, I recommend to install ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves and
> run it regularly after updates
portmaster -s does the same thing.
FYI,
Doug
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B
(Not replying to any particular post in this thread.)
I think the current ports system in FreeBSD is not bad.
Sure, it could be better (but this would probably require
more manpower, which is a problem in a volunteer project),
but it also could be a *lot* worse.
I know of several people who are t
Michal,
Nice analogy !
> Nobody is really steering this ship anymore and it just happily
> rams icebergs along the way, with volunteers occasionally throwing
> buckets of water (and sometimes pieces of furniture) overboard to
> somehow keep it afloat for a while longer.
Furniture like sysutils/di
On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:47:40 +0200
Michal Varga wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 04:23 -0500, Mark Linimon wrote:
> > In that case, you should not be updating that rapidly.
>
> I've covered that aspect earlier in the discussion. There is no option
> to 'upgrade less rapidly', as at any single poin
On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 04:23 -0500, Mark Linimon wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 07:34:56AM +0200, Michal Varga wrote:
> > - While nobody probably cares much about that guy and his missing
> > browser images, what would you tell to the GIMP guy? That he should have
> > waited longer before upgradin
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 07:34:56AM +0200, Michal Varga wrote:
> - While nobody probably cares much about that guy and his missing
> browser images, what would you tell to the GIMP guy? That he should have
> waited longer before upgrading the (for him, 30 levels deep) "Foo"
> dependency? With furiou
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:13:58AM +0200, Michel Talon wrote:
> Chad Perrin wrote:
> >
> >Of course, your goal is apparently to
> >convince me that yours are the "correct" priorities.
>
> Indeed i think having the correct priorities is essential when choosing
> between different options, and i am
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:13:58AM +0200, Michel Talon wrote:
> i went to a store to buy a new laptop, i went with two CDROMs, an Ubuntu
> one and a FreeBSD one. Guess which of the two supported the network
> controllers in the laptops i tried?
And guess which of them ran binary blobs.
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On 30 Aug 2011 10:15, "Michel Talon" wrote:
>
> Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> >Of course, your goal is apparently to
> >convince me that yours are the "correct" priorities.
>
> Indeed i think having the correct priorities is essential when choosing
> between different options, and i am sincerely convince
Chad Perrin wrote:
>Of course, your goal is apparently to
>convince me that yours are the "correct" priorities.
Indeed i think having the correct priorities is essential when choosing
between different options, and i am sincerely convinced that my choices
are shared by a lot more people than your
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:44:27PM +0200, Michel Talon wrote:
> >Chad Perrin said:
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:17:12AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
> >> FreeBSD needs to get better in this area, but I seriously doubt it
> >> will
> >> ever be as easy and painless as something like ubuntu.
> >
>
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Michel Talon wrote:
>
>
> Any discussion on such subjects should begin by switching off the reality
> distortion field. For *my own experience* Ubuntu works perfectly OK, in
> particular all the hardware on my laptop works, suspend works, i have
> zero problem keepi
>Chad Perrin said:
>
>On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:17:12AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
>> FreeBSD needs to get better in this area, but I seriously doubt it
>> will
>> ever be as easy and painless as something like ubuntu.
>
>For a great many use cases, Ubuntu is one of the most painful "desktop"
>user
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:17:12AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
> On 08/29/2011 00:07, Michal Varga wrote:
> > On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 23:30 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
> >>> Testing only for "Does it still build?" won't help much anymore if
> >>> the new version silently broke one of the APIs and while A
on 29/08/2011 10:55 Michal Varga said the following:
> On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 00:17 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
>> are unlikely to ever get to that point. I would also point out that from
>> a project management standpoint developers rarely make good QA people.
>> To do this right you really would wan
Am 29.08.2011 02:24, schrieb Jerry:
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:26:29 -0700
> Doug Barton articulated:
>> You seem to be operating under the assumption that we owe you
>> something, and that by failing to provide that thing we owe you we
>> have wronged you somehow. You may wish to take a step back
On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 00:17 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
> are unlikely to ever get to that point. I would also point out that from
> a project management standpoint developers rarely make good QA people.
> To do this right you really would want separate teams.
As I said, that's not something that's
On 08/29/2011 00:07, Michal Varga wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 23:30 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
>>> Testing only for "Does it still build?" won't help much anymore if the
>>> new version silently broke one of the APIs and while Apache still runs
>>> with it fine
>>
>> Believe it or not, I understa
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 23:30 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
> > Testing only for "Does it still build?" won't help much anymore if the
> > new version silently broke one of the APIs and while Apache still runs
> > with it fine
>
> Believe it or not, I understand that. :) The problem is that extensive
>
On 08/28/2011 22:34, Michal Varga wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 21:00 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
>> I think it would be a mistake to believe that we don't have any quality
>> control at all. I do think it's reasonable to ask whether what we have
>> is adequate, and if not, how can it be improved. T
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:01 AM, Micheas Herman wrote:
> This is just a brainstorm, but considering the pain that debian QA causes
> debian developers, and the orders of magnitude larger task that QAing
> the FreeBSD ports tree would be makes me wonder if self reporting wouldn't
> be a direction
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Michal Varga wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 21:00 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
>> I think it would be a mistake to believe that we don't have any quality
>> control at all. I do think it's reasonable to ask whether what we have
>> is adequate, and if not, how can it
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 21:00 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
> I think it would be a mistake to believe that we don't have any quality
> control at all. I do think it's reasonable to ask whether what we have
> is adequate, and if not, how can it be improved. That's why I'm
> suggesting the stable ports tr
On 08/28/2011 19:43, Michal Varga wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 14:43 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
>
>> If you're talking about the recent ruby update, an enormous amount of
>> work went into that prior to the trigger being pulled in an effort to
>> make it as smooth as possible. It's unfortunate th
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 08:24:52PM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> You have also asked for and I assume received monetary compensation
> for your services.
In Doug's case: a small percentage of his contributions over the years
(e.g. for improvements to portmaster, which he had already written).
I'm sure he'
On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 14:43 -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
> If you're talking about the recent ruby update, an enormous amount of
> work went into that prior to the trigger being pulled in an effort to
> make it as smooth as possible. It's unfortunate that in spite of that
> effort there were still so
On 08/28/2011 17:24, Jerry wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:26:29 -0700
> Doug Barton articulated:
>
>> Including postmaster@ on this since IMO Jerry has earned himself a
>> short vacation from posting privileges.
>
> Perhaps you would care to tell me yourself. It could be arranged.
E ... huh
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:26:29 -0700
Doug Barton articulated:
> Including postmaster@ on this since IMO Jerry has earned himself a
> short vacation from posting privileges.
Perhaps you would care to tell me yourself. It could be arranged.
> On 8/28/2011 3:40 PM, Jerry wrote:
> > On Sun, 28 Aug 201
--On August 28, 2011 6:40:58 PM -0400 Jerry wrote:
I have no problem with that. No one should be forced to update their
system if they choose not to. However, to carry your statement to its
logical conclusion, you should issue a warning that attempting to
update your system carries dire risks s
Including postmaster@ on this since IMO Jerry has earned himself a short
vacation from posting privileges.
On 8/28/2011 3:40 PM, Jerry wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:43:14 -0700
> Doug Barton articulated:
>
>> On 8/28/2011 1:54 PM, Michal Varga wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 15:30 -0400, Sahil
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:43:14 -0700
Doug Barton articulated:
> On 8/28/2011 1:54 PM, Michal Varga wrote:
> > On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 15:30 -0400, Sahil Tandon wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >> Criminal? Indifference? This sort of troll-ish hyperbole is
> >> decidedly unhelpful.
>
> FWIW, I agree with Sa
On 8/28/2011 1:54 PM, Michal Varga wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-08-28 at 15:30 -0400, Sahil Tandon wrote:
>
> [...]
>> Criminal? Indifference? This sort of troll-ish hyperbole is decidedly
>> unhelpful.
FWIW, I agree with Sahil that this post of Jerry's was over the top, as
several of his have been o
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