Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Bob Bishop
Hi, Here's a hint: "The Apollo Domain and XNS networking protocols will no longer be offered after Cisco IOS Release 12.2. Information about these protocols will not appear in future releases of the Cisco IOS software documentation set." http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1835/pr

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Bob Bishop wrote: > Here's a hint: > > "The Apollo Domain and XNS networking protocols will no longer be offered > after Cisco IOS Release 12.2. Information about these protocols will not > appear in future releases of the Cisco IOS software documentation set." > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/product

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-03-05 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version ] > On the other hand, there's no compelling reason to dike it out, > if it can be made to work. I would argue that ISA support is > more or less just as obsolete, as

Re: Performance tuning hints of gigabit networking?

2003-03-05 Thread CHOI Junho
That's 2GB machine. How much RAM I need more? mbuf clusters is full(observed by netstat -m) at peak time(3-4 hours). netstat -m output below is when the connection is low, but please see the peak value of mbuf clusters. From: Bosko Milekic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Performance tuning hint

Re: Performance tuning hints of gigabit networking?

2003-03-05 Thread Doug Barton
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, CHOI Junho wrote: > > That's 2GB machine. How much RAM I need more? The statistics clearly show that you do. -- This .signature sanitized for your protection To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message

Re: Transparent Proxy

2003-03-05 Thread soheil soheil
I think if you add the following rule to the ipfw rules on 192.168.0.1 ( the squid-running host ) you can have your proxy working. skipto 510 tcp from 192.168.0.1 to any dst-port 80 From: Darcy Buskermolen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Transparent Proxy Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2

route pointing to a gateway that's not on net

2003-03-05 Thread J. W. Ballantine
I was recently following a thread on tech-netbsd that was discussing the routing tables when the gateway address was on a 10.x.x.x network while the machine was assigned a 209.122.66.x address. The long and short of the discussion (as I understand the discussion) was that this was that while it c

Re: Transparent Proxy

2003-03-05 Thread Darcy Buskermolen
I thank everybody who took the time to reply to me, and I found the problem, my fwd/skipto rules needed to be after the divert rules. On Wednesday 05 March 2003 03:19, soheil soheil wrote: > I think if you add the following rule to the ipfw rules on 192.168.0.1 ( > the squid-running host ) you

Re: route pointing to a gateway that's not on net

2003-03-05 Thread Kevin Stevens
> > I was recently following a thread on tech-netbsd that was discussing the > routing tables when the gateway address was on a 10.x.x.x network while > the machine was assigned a 209.122.66.x address. The long and short of > the discussion (as I understand the discussion) was that this was that >

Re: route pointing to a gateway that's not on net

2003-03-05 Thread J. W. Ballantine
Well it's not the way I wanted it, but it's the way I have to try and work with. I tried the route add net 10.0.0.0 -interface (whatever) and that didn't work for me. -- In Response to your message - > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:57:55 -0800 (PST) > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: route pointing to a gateway that's not on net

2003-03-05 Thread Kevin Stevens
> Well it's not the way I wanted it, but it's the way I have to try and > work with. > > I tried the route add net 10.0.0.0 -interface (whatever) > and that didn't work for me. That's not the syntax I gave you, and obviously it needs to have your local interface information inserted. I can confi

Re: route pointing to a gateway that's not on net

2003-03-05 Thread J. W. Ballantine
Sorry, my typo. I did try route add -net 10.0.0.0 -interface xl0 and route add -net 10.17.47.37 -interface xl0 As I recall both didn't respond with a error message, but when I tried to get out it didn't work. I'll try again tonight and see what happens. Thanks -- In Response to

UDP socket receive size

2003-03-05 Thread David Myer
Hi, I am setting SO_RCVBUF for UDP socket to 64000 using setsockopt, when sending 8K data using sendto, and recvfrom back from inetd echo service, the length returned from recvfrom is always 4K, why is this ?How can I read a large data back from UDP ( > 4K ) then ? Appreciate the help Dave

Bluetooth stack for FreeBSD

2003-03-05 Thread Maksim Yevmenkin
Dear Hackers, I'm very pleased to announce that another release is available for download at http://www.geocities.com/m_evmenkin/ngbt-fbsd-20030305.tar.gz The Bluetooth sockets layer has been cleaned up. People should not see any WITNESS complains with new code. Locking issues have

Re: [PATCH 5.x] netns

2003-03-05 Thread Pedro F. Giffuni
Guys; I have to agree with Terry that the fixes for netns should be committed, and furthermore they should be MFC (using his first patch perhaps). It's a nightmare to try to rescue anything from the Attic, at least it would be nice to have it in better shape before killing it. The flame fest on r

Re: [PATCH 5.x] netns

2003-03-05 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 04:03:49AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Peter Wemm wrote: > > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Here are two patches. The first fixes missing pieces in /sys/conf/files > > > and /sys/conf/options, the second fixes all the files that need it in > > > /sys/netns/. > > > > You seem

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Mark Murray
Terry Lambert writes: > Mark Murray wrote: > > Only if it kills this _really_ dumb debate. In time, it will no longer > > compile, and then the situation will be the same as just punting to the > > Attic without the "fix". > > Only if some idiot breaks the API contract again. > > Whatever happene

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Mark Murray
Terry Lambert writes: > Let' start wth the libalias/natd incremental checksum update code; > the code is based on RFC1141, instead of RFC1624. As a result, > it get updated incorrectly occasionally, because it's using two's > complement instead of one's complement math. Per RFC1642: > >RFC 1

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Bob Bishop
Hi At 08:53 5/3/03, Terry Lambert wrote: [...] The code is still useful as a simple implementation, much more easily understood by the student than the current TCP/IP stack, for certain. The same is true for netipx (wc -l *.[ch] is almost identical). -- Bob Bishop +44 (0)118 97

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2003-03-05 Thread Mark Linimon
> On the other hand, there's no compelling reason to dike it out, > if it can be made to work. work == "not just compiled, but QAed against known-working implementations and correctly documented". Have fun. Looking forward to the patches and logs. mcl To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROT

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Doug Barton
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > The code is still useful as a simple implementation, much more > easily understood by the student than the current TCP/IP stack, > for certain. And it will still be available. It'll just be available in the Attic. The fact that it will get more broken in

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Juli Mallett wrote: > * De: Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-03-05 ] > [ Subjecte: Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version ] > > On the other hand, there's no compelling reason to dike it out, > > if it can be made to work. I would argue that ISA support is > > mor

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2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Mark Linimon wrote: > > On the other hand, there's no compelling reason to dike it out, > > if it can be made to work. > > work == "not just compiled, but QAed against known-working implementations > and correctly documented". > > Have fun. Looking forward to the patches and logs. Just to be pe

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Barton wrote: > On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > The code is still useful as a simple implementation, much more > > easily understood by the student than the current TCP/IP stack, > > for certain. > > And it will still be available. It'll just be available in the Attic. The > fact

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Doug Barton
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > If you want to make it about "failure to attract a maintainer", then > do that. Actually several people have made this argument, along with the corollary "failure to attract a userbase." -- This .signature sanitized for your protection To Unsubsc

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Randy Bush
> It took about 3 years for the updates to get out there so IPv6 > was usable i have yet to see a cisco ios image supporting ipv6 that was usable in production environment. and i have tried hard. but i will admit to not having seen apollo networking for over a decade. but i probably have not be

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Doug Barton wrote: > On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > If you want to make it about "failure to attract a maintainer", then > > do that. > > Actually several people have made this argument, along with the corollary > "failure to attract a userbase." I would claim that non-working code

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Doug Barton
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > Doug Barton wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > The code is still useful as a simple implementation, much more > > > easily understood by the student than the current TCP/IP stack, > > > for certain. > > > > And it will still be avai

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Mark Murray
Terry Lambert writes: > Peter Wemm wrote: > > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Is there a compelling reason for removing this working code to > > > the Attic? > > > > Terry: will you please check your facts? It takes around 30 seconds > > to find out that it doesn't even compile. > > [ ... lots of tri

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Mark Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-03-05 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version ] > Terry Lambert writes: > > Peter Wemm wrote: > > > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > Is there a compelling reason for removing this working code to > > > > the Attic? > >

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Petri Helenius
> > i have yet to see a cisco ios image supporting ipv6 that was usable > in production environment. and i have tried hard. This is getting OT but on the subject of repelling users, they´re probably trying hard to repel their users to the vendor J boxen. > > but i will admit to not having seen ap

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Mark Murray
Juli Mallett writes: > > > This crap is *s* trivial to fix, it's easier to fix than > > > to watch you guys bitch about it not being fixable. > > > > Will it be runnable (as in tested), rather than a compile-only fix? > > compile-only would be a good state to leave the code in the attic. O

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Mark Murray wrote: > Terry Lambert writes: > > Peter Wemm wrote: > > > Terry: will you please check your facts? It takes around 30 seconds > > > to find out that it doesn't even compile. > > > > [ ... lots of trivial to fix warnings and errors ... ] > > > > Tell you what, I'll fix these and post a

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Mark Murray
Terry Lambert writes: > Mark Murray wrote: > > Will it be runnable (as in tested), rather than a compile-only fix? > > Is "tested" a requirement fo code to be committed or to have it > stay in the tree? Both. > Be careful of your answer, unless you are willing to remove all > code that does not

Re: [PATCH 5.x] netns

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Peter Wemm wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > Here are two patches. The first fixes missing pieces in /sys/conf/files > > and /sys/conf/options, the second fixes all the files that need it in > > /sys/netns/. > > You seem to have posted the wrong patch. > > This is against 4.x, not -current, and

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Petri Helenius wrote: > > seems to me that one useful question is whether the netns code > > being there non-trivially complicates maintenance and/or > > reliability of other code, and can i compile or module it out if > > the bits it occupies really bothers me? > > > This is probably the right que

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Mark Murray wrote: > Only if it kills this _really_ dumb debate. In time, it will no longer > compile, and then the situation will be the same as just punting to the > Attic without the "fix". Only if some idiot breaks the API contract again. Whatever happened to "you broke it, you fix it"? Hop

Re: [PATCH 5.x] netns

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
David O'Brien wrote: > > Here is a single patch vs. 5.x. > > > > I believe this makes it actually work. >^ >huh? This is untested? Will you accept interoperability between two FreeBSD boxes? A FreeBSD box and a NetBSD box? > > Please apply this to the code, even if you are inte

Re: [PATCH 5.x] netns

2003-03-05 Thread Steve Kargl
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:24:39PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > For heaven's sake! *It has only been 3 days* since the code > was threatened! What do you expect *in 3 days*!?! > The code has been broken for 7 years. You've had ample time to fix and *maintain* this code. Points moot, anywa

Re: [PATCH 5.x] netns

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Steve Kargl wrote: > On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 12:24:39PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > For heaven's sake! *It has only been 3 days* since the code > > was threatened! What do you expect *in 3 days*!?! > > > > The code has been broken for 7 years. You've > had ample time to fix and *maintain* t

Re: [PATCH 5.x] netns

2003-03-05 Thread Peter Wemm
"=?iso-8859-1?q?Pedro=20F.=20Giffuni?=" wrote: > Guys; > > I have to agree with Terry that the fixes for netns > should be committed, and furthermore they should be > MFC (using his first patch perhaps). It's a nightmare > to try to rescue anything from the Attic, at least it > would be nice to ha

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Mark Murray wrote: > Terry Lambert writes: > > Mark Murray wrote: > > > Will it be runnable (as in tested), rather than a compile-only fix? > > > > Is "tested" a requirement fo code to be committed or to have it > > stay in the tree? > > Both. Cool. Then I have a long list of things that can be

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread M. Warner Losh
De: Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-03-05 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version ] > On the other hand, there's no compelling reason to dike it out, > if it can be made to work. I would argue that ISA support is > more or less just as obsolete, as i

Re: Removal of netns - politically correct version

2003-03-05 Thread Petri Helenius
M. Warner Losh wrote: ISA support is not obsolete. All new PCs still have ISA busses. They might not have ISA Expansion Bus Slots, but they all[*] still connect their serial ports, parallel ports, and mouse/keyboard ports via ISA. Not to mention i8254 which gets to be major pain if ACPI would

libalias/NAT incremental checksum (was Re: Removal of netns)

2003-03-05 Thread Terry Lambert
Mark Murray wrote: > > How long can this remain unfixed before the code is diked out, > > and the checksum is recalculated fully, instead? > > Terry, you sound rather foolish when you argue like this. This > is semantic tomfoolery and off topic. End of thread. This is not a argument over mere imp