Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-15 Thread Bryan Venteicher
- Original Message - > From: "Konstantin Belousov" > To: "Bryan Venteicher" > Cc: "John Baldwin" , "Peter Jeremy" , > freebsd-net@freebsd.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 4:42:16 AM > Subject: Re: To SMP or not t

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-15 Thread Konstantin Belousov
remy" > > > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:57:58 PM > > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > > > > On Monday, January 14, 2013 4:07:56 pm Konstantin Belousov wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 03:07:50PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: &g

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-14 Thread Bryan Venteicher
- Original Message - > From: "John Baldwin" > To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org > Cc: "Konstantin Belousov" , "Bryan Venteicher" > , "Peter Jeremy" > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 3:57:58 PM > Subject: Re: To SMP or not

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-14 Thread John Baldwin
"John Baldwin" > > > > To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org > > > > Cc: "Barney Cordoba" , "Peter Jeremy" > > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 9:39:17 AM > > > > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > > > &g

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-14 Thread Konstantin Belousov
rney Cordoba" , "Peter Jeremy" > > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 9:39:17 AM > > > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > > > > > > On Thursday, January 10, 2013 02:36:59 PM Peter Jeremy wrote: > > > > On 2013-Jan-

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-14 Thread John Baldwin
On Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:15:13 am Bryan Venteicher wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "John Baldwin" > > To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org > > Cc: "Barney Cordoba" , "Peter Jeremy" > > > > Sent: Friday, January 11,

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-13 Thread Bryan Venteicher
- Original Message - > From: "John Baldwin" > To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org > Cc: "Barney Cordoba" , "Peter Jeremy" > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 9:39:17 AM > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > > On Thursday, January 10, 2013

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-11 Thread John Baldwin
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 02:36:59 PM Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2013-Jan-07 18:25:58 -0800, Barney Cordoba wrote: > >I have a situation where I have to run 9.1 on an old single core > >box. Does anyone have a handle on whether it's better to build a non > >SMP kernel or to just use a standard

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-10 Thread John Baldwin
; > From: sth...@nethelp.no > > > > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > > > > To: erichsfreebsdl...@alogt.com > > > > Cc: barney_cord...@yahoo.com, freebsd-net@freebsd.org, > > > > jack.vo...@gmail.com, atkin...@gmail.com > > > > >

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-10 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2013-Jan-07 18:25:58 -0800, Barney Cordoba wrote: >I have a situation where I have to run 9.1 on an old single core >box. Does anyone have a handle on whether it's better to build a non >SMP kernel or to just use a standard SMP build with just the one >core? Another input for this decision is

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-09 Thread Barney Cordoba
--- On Wed, 1/9/13, Barney Cordoba wrote: > From: Barney Cordoba > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > To: "Mark Atkinson" > Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org > Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 1:08 PM > > > --- On Tue, 1/8/13, Mark Atkinson > wrote: >

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-09 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 16:25:41 -0800 Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Erich Dollansky > wrote: > > > SMP goes into the applications. A single-CPU kernel must still run > > these kind of applications. > > Applications may be multithreaded - and on a host with more tha

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-09 Thread Michael Sierchio
On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > SMP goes into the applications. A single-CPU kernel must still run > these kind of applications. Applications may be multithreaded - and on a host with more than one (real or virtual) CPU, those threads may run concurrently. De quoi s'agi

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-09 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 06:35:33 -0800 (PST) Barney Cordoba wrote: > > This explanation defies the possibility of a GENERIC kernel, which > of course is an important element of a GPOS. Its too bad that smp > support can't be done with logic rather than a kernel option. > it seems to me that y

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-09 Thread Konstantin Belousov
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 03:54:43PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > On Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:00:31 am Barney Cordoba wrote: > > > > --- On Wed, 1/9/13, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: > > > > > From: sth...@nethelp.no > > > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SM

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-09 Thread John Baldwin
On Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:00:31 am Barney Cordoba wrote: > > --- On Wed, 1/9/13, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: > > > From: sth...@nethelp.no > > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > > To: erichsfreebsdl...@alogt.com > > Cc: barney_cord...@yahoo.com,

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-09 Thread Barney Cordoba
--- On Tue, 1/8/13, Mark Atkinson wrote: > From: Mark Atkinson > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org > Date: Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 11:29 AM > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 01/07/2013 18:25, Barney Cordoba wrote

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-09 Thread Barney Cordoba
--- On Wed, 1/9/13, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: > From: sth...@nethelp.no > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > To: erichsfreebsdl...@alogt.com > Cc: barney_cord...@yahoo.com, freebsd-net@freebsd.org, jack.vo...@gmail.com, > atkin...@gmail.com > Date: Wednesday, Januar

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-09 Thread sthaug
> > 4BSD runs pretty well with an SMP kernel. I can test ULE and compare > > easily. A no SMP kernel is problematic as the igb driver doesn't seem > > to work and my onboard NICs are, sadly, igb. > > > this is bad luck. I know of the kernels as I have had SMP and single > CPU machines since 4.x t

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-09 Thread Barney Cordoba
--- On Wed, 1/9/13, Erich Dollansky wrote: > From: Erich Dollansky > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > To: "Barney Cordoba" > Cc: "Mark Atkinson" , freebsd-net@freebsd.org, > jack.vo...@gmail.com > Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 9:14 AM > Hi, &g

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-09 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 05:40:13 -0800 (PST) Barney Cordoba wrote: > --- On Wed, 1/9/13, Erich Dollansky > wrote: > > From: Erich Dollansky > > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > > To: "Mark Atkinson" > > Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org > > Da

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-09 Thread Barney Cordoba
--- On Wed, 1/9/13, Erich Dollansky wrote: > From: Erich Dollansky > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > To: "Mark Atkinson" > Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org > Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 1:01 AM > Hi, > > On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:29:51 -0800 > Mark Atk

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-08 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:29:51 -0800 Mark Atkinson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 01/07/2013 18:25, Barney Cordoba wrote: > > I have a situation where I have to run 9.1 on an old single core > > box. Does anyone have a handle on whether it's better to build a

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-08 Thread Barney Cordoba
--- On Tue, 1/8/13, Ian Smith wrote: > From: Ian Smith > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > To: "Garrett Cooper" > Cc: "Barney Cordoba" , "Erich Dollansky" > , freebsd-net@freebsd.org > Date: Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 11:34 AM > On Tue

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-08 Thread Ian Smith
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:57:04 -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:50 AM, Barney Cordoba wrote: > > > --- On Mon, 1/7/13, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > >> From: Erich Dollansky > >> Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > >>

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-08 Thread Mark Atkinson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/07/2013 18:25, Barney Cordoba wrote: > I have a situation where I have to run 9.1 on an old single core > box. Does anyone have a handle on whether it's better to build a > non SMP kernel or to just use a standard SMP build with just the > one co

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-08 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:50 AM, Barney Cordoba wrote: > --- On Mon, 1/7/13, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >> From: Erich Dollansky >> Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP >> To: "Barney Cordoba" >> Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org >> Date: Monday, January 7, 2013

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-08 Thread Adrian Chadd
The only weird crap I've seen with SMP versus non-SMP these days is some assumptions that it's cheap to alternate between two tasks in a preemptive kernel. That behaviour sucks on MIPS. On SMP machines with enough CPUs/hardware threads, you don't see the context switch overhead because you have e

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-08 Thread Barney Cordoba
--- On Mon, 1/7/13, Erich Dollansky wrote: > From: Erich Dollansky > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > To: "Barney Cordoba" > Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org > Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 10:56 PM > Hi, > > On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 18:25:58 -0800 (PST) > Bar

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-07 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 18:25:58 -0800 (PST) Barney Cordoba wrote: > I have a situation where I have to run 9.1 on an old single core box. > Does anyone have a handle on whether it's better to build a non SMP > kernel or to just use a standard SMP build with just the one core? > Thanks. I ran a

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-07 Thread Barney Cordoba
--- On Mon, 1/7/13, Garrett Cooper wrote: > From: Garrett Cooper > Subject: Re: To SMP or not to SMP > To: "Barney Cordoba" > Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org > Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 9:38 PM > On Jan 7, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Barney > Cordoba wrote: > >

Re: To SMP or not to SMP

2013-01-07 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Jan 7, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Barney Cordoba wrote: > I have a situation where I have to run 9.1 on an old single core box. Does > anyone have a handle on whether it's better to build a non SMP kernel or to > just use a standard SMP build with just the one core? Thanks. Non-SMP. I don't s