Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-11 Thread Stuart Barkley
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 at 01:53 -, David Malone wrote: > > Is 3.freebsd.pool.ntp.org intentionally commented? It does > > resolve. Reminder: if you do uncomment it, remember to change the > > "three servers" to four. > > I've no problem commenting in all 4 if people think that's a better > conf

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-10 Thread David Malone
> > I'll change the commented version, as it shouldn't do any harm. > > As I said, I usually use 14, which is probably almost too low. > I don't see any real added value having 14 instead of 10. At these levels it > can be only a "faked" one. Grand - let's leave it at 10 then. David. ___

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-10 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to David Malone: > I'll change the commented version, as it shouldn't do any harm. > As I said, I usually use 14, which is probably almost too low. I don't see any real added value having 14 instead of 10. At these levels it can be only a "faked" one. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: Th

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-09 Thread David Malone
> I'd tend to suggest stratum 13 so that the inattentive admin > doesn't spread his potentially dodgy clock info too far when > he tries uncommenting the above otherwise I (rather > subjectively) agree with this change :) I'll change the commented version, as it shouldn't do any harm. As I sa

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-09 Thread David Malone
> Is 3.freebsd.pool.ntp.org intentionally commented? It does resolve. > Reminder: if you do uncomment it, remember to change the "three > servers" to four. The pool set up 4 groups (0, 1, 2, 3) for us, but since we only had three in the original file (and three is a commonly recommended number

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-09 Thread John Hay
Hi David, On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 10:20:29AM +0100, David Malone wrote: > The NTP pool guys have set up our vendor domain. I'd like to commit > the patch below to ntp.conf. It does the following: > > 1) Uses our vendor domain at the pool. > 2) Points people at the pool website and enc

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-09 Thread Sean C. Farley
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, David Malone wrote: The NTP pool guys have set up our vendor domain. I'd like to commit the patch below to ntp.conf. It does the following: 1) Uses our vendor domain at the pool. 2) Points people at the pool website and encourages people to provide

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-09 Thread Brian Somers
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:20:29 +0100, David Malone wrote: > The NTP pool guys have set up our vendor domain. I'd like to commit > the patch below to ntp.conf. It does the following: > > 1) Uses our vendor domain at the pool. > 2) Points people at the pool website and encourages >

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-09 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to David Malone: > The NTP pool guys have set up our vendor domain. I'd like to commit > the patch below to ntp.conf. It does the following: Approval from me, thanks. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- robe...@keltia.freenix.fr In memoriam to Ondine : http://ondine

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-09 Thread David Malone
The NTP pool guys have set up our vendor domain. I'd like to commit the patch below to ntp.conf. It does the following: 1) Uses our vendor domain at the pool. 2) Points people at the pool website and encourages people to provide a server in the pool (as a cour

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-07 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Louis Mamakos wrote: > > Shouldn't ntpd have figured out by now that the clock is gone (I > > unplugged it yesterday) and have switched into orphan mode? > > It seems like orphan mode is something that you'd run on an ensemble > of local machines to ensure that they continue to be synchronized w

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-06 Thread Louis Mamakos
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 02:30:19PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > David Malone wrote: > > > (Also, we probably really want people to run in orphan mode rather > > than local clock mode, but we can wait a little longer until orphan > > mode is more commonly deployed, IMHO...) > > I didn't k

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-06 Thread Christian Weisgerber
David Malone wrote: > (Also, we probably really want people to run in orphan mode rather > than local clock mode, but we can wait a little longer until orphan > mode is more commonly deployed, IMHO...) I didn't know about orphan mode, so I had to try it right away. $ cat /etc/ntp.conf server 12

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-02 Thread David Malone
> This is handled by having different local clocks in different strata. > I only use 2 such strata -- 1 for server and another for all clients. > But this is not so easy to set up as a default. Indeed - I use 14 for the server, in the hope that it would limit how far the unsynced time would get in

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-02 Thread Bruce Evans
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, David Malone wrote: The local clock should only be configured on a single server in a NTP domain that might be disconnected from the rest of the tree. Since the default config is a client config, it doesn't make sense to have the local clock configured. Even if it was a serve

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-02 Thread John Hay
On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 09:55:44AM +0100, David Malone wrote: > > > We are supposed to contact the people running the pool and ask for > > > a freebsd.pool.ntp.org subdomain. > > > That's a good idea. > > OK - should I contact the pool guys and ask for freebsd.pool.org? > > > > Second, we should

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-02 Thread David Malone
> > We are supposed to contact the people running the pool and ask for > > a freebsd.pool.ntp.org subdomain. > That's a good idea. OK - should I contact the pool guys and ask for freebsd.pool.org? > > Second, we shouldn't have the local clock configured by default. > Why? When Redhat did this,

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-02 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to David Malone: > We are supposed to contact the people running the pool and ask for > a freebsd.pool.ntp.org subdomain. That's a good idea. > Second, we shouldn't have the local clock configured by default. Why? > The local clock should only be configured on a single server in a >

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-07-02 Thread David Malone
There are several problems with the default ntp.conf that we've committed to -current. First, we have not followed the vendor recommendations for the pool servers at: http://www.pool.ntp.org/vendors.html We are supposed to contact the people running the pool and ask for a freebsd.pool.ntp

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-08 Thread Edwin Groothuis
Hello Richard, On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 09:22:31PM +0100, Richard Tector wrote: > The fact that everyone has different ideas and suggestions with regards > to the contents of this file, and also that it's generally better to use > time servers from your local area (http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/use.

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-08 Thread Richard Tector
The fact that everyone has different ideas and suggestions with regards to the contents of this file, and also that it's generally better to use time servers from your local area (http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/use.html) rather than the global pool, indicates to me that having a default configurati

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-08 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Bruce Evans: > /var/db/ntpd.drift is not documented anywhere in $(find /usr/share/man) > of course. Keep in mind that most of our manpages are reverse-engineered from the HTML files Dave Mills only wanted to support... I'll try to update to the latest version and see if the now bship

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-07 Thread Edwin Groothuis
Please note that it just has been committed. Everybody thanks a lot for your input! Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis Website: http://www.mavetju.org/ ed...@mavetju.org Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ ___ freebsd-net@freebsd.org mailing l

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-06 Thread Bruce Evans
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Doug Barton wrote: Frank Behrens wrote: Edwin Groothuis wrote on 5 Jun 2009 22:44: After pondering at conf/58595, I came with this text. The ntpd is not enabled by default, so the fact that the servers are commented out should not be an issue. ... +# server pool.ntp.org +

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-06 Thread Bruce Evans
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Miroslav Lachman wrote: Bruce Evans wrote: Similarly, the drift file is named ntp.drift except in poorly configured FreeBSD installations. ntp sources in contrib have 80 lines matching Also note that /var/db/ntpd.drift is specified as flags in defaults/rc.conf (I don't k

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Joel Dahl
Doug Barton skrev: Frank Behrens wrote: Edwin Groothuis wrote on 5 Jun 2009 22:44: After pondering at conf/58595, I came with this text. The ntpd is not enabled by default, so the fact that the servers are commented out should not be an issue. ... +# server pool.ntp.org +# server pool.ntp.org

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Randy Bush
>> i believe that you may relying on a behavior of a dns resolver which >> is not specified > While it might not be specified, it is being observed and therefore > an issue when we want to restrict traffic specified by hostname. i do not disagree. randy ___

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Edwin Groothuis
On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 11:01:53AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > > I have "server 0.pool.ntp.org" in my NTP configuration, which still > > only gives me one NTP server in its internals ("dig 0.pool.ntp.org" > > gives me five answers, "ntpq -p" gives me one server). Having the > > "server 0.pool.ntp.or

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Randy Bush
> I have "server 0.pool.ntp.org" in my NTP configuration, which still > only gives me one NTP server in its internals ("dig 0.pool.ntp.org" > gives me five answers, "ntpq -p" gives me one server). Having the > "server 0.pool.ntp.org" in my configuration twice will give it two > NTP servers in its i

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Edwin Groothuis
Hello Frank, On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 04:24:18PM +0200, Frank Behrens wrote: > Edwin Groothuis wrote on 5 Jun 2009 22:44: > > After pondering at conf/58595, I came with this text. > > > > The ntpd is not enabled by default, so the fact that the servers > > are commented out should not be an issue

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Edwin Groothuis
First thanks to everybody who replied, I've read it all. The ntpd.conf in the etc/Makefile was a typo of me. On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 08:52:01AM -0500, Sean C. Farley wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > > >After pondering at conf/58595, I came with this text. > > > >The ntpd is

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Doug Barton
Frank Behrens wrote: > Edwin Groothuis wrote on 5 Jun 2009 22:44: >> After pondering at conf/58595, I came with this text. >> >> The ntpd is not enabled by default, so the fact that the servers >> are commented out should not be an issue. >> ... >> +# server pool.ntp.org >> +# server pool.ntp.org

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Miroslav Lachman
Bruce Evans wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Sean C. Farley wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Edwin Groothuis wrote: Index: etc/ntp.conf === --- etc/ntp.conf(revision 0) +++ etc/ntp.conf(revision 0) @@ -0,0 +1,28 @@ +# +# $FreeBSD$ +#

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Bruce Evans
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Sean C. Farley wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Edwin Groothuis wrote: Index: etc/ntp.conf === --- etc/ntp.conf(revision 0) +++ etc/ntp.conf(revision 0) @@ -0,0 +1,28 @@ +# +# $FreeBSD$ +# +# Default

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Frank Behrens
Edwin Groothuis wrote on 5 Jun 2009 22:44: > After pondering at conf/58595, I came with this text. > > The ntpd is not enabled by default, so the fact that the servers > are commented out should not be an issue. >... > +# server pool.ntp.org > +# server pool.ntp.org > +# server pool.ntp.org Isn'

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Valentin Bud
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Sean C. Farley wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > > After pondering at conf/58595, I came with this text. >> >> The ntpd is not enabled by default, so the fact that the servers >> are commented out should not be an issue. >> >> Any objections ag

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Sean C. Farley: > I would also add restrict lines to it since ntp defaults to being open > to all packets. Now that I think of it, please add also the following lines, which helps when losing the sync on the remote servers. server 127.127.1.0 fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 That add

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Sean C. Farley
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Edwin Groothuis wrote: After pondering at conf/58595, I came with this text. The ntpd is not enabled by default, so the fact that the servers are commented out should not be an issue. Any objections against adding it to the tree? I like it. I would also add restrict line

Re: NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Edwin Groothuis: > After pondering at conf/58595, I came with this text. > > The ntpd is not enabled by default, so the fact that the servers > are commented out should not be an issue. > > Any objections against adding it to the tree? None from me. Go for it thanks. -- Ollivier

NTP - default /etc/ntp.conf

2009-06-05 Thread Edwin Groothuis
After pondering at conf/58595, I came with this text. The ntpd is not enabled by default, so the fact that the servers are commented out should not be an issue. Any objections against adding it to the tree? Index: etc/ntp.conf ===