Re: Thoughts on IPv6, was: Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-23 Thread Barney Wolff
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 05:25:42PM -0400, Charles Swiger wrote: > On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 03:43 PM, Barney Wolff wrote: > >My expectation is the same as yours, but I strongly believe that > >anyone doing a new design that deliberately ignores IPv6 is being very > >shortsighted. "Quite so

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-23 Thread Wes Peters
On Thursday 23 October 2003 12:39, Charles Swiger wrote: > > Also, Barney's comments here: > ...make sense to me as well, for whatever that may be worth :-) Worth a lot, actually. If we can get 4 people looking at the problem from such diverse viewpoints and come to a point where we all agr

Thoughts on IPv6, was: Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-23 Thread Charles Swiger
On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 03:43 PM, Barney Wolff wrote: My expectation is the same as yours, but I strongly believe that anyone doing a new design that deliberately ignores IPv6 is being very shortsighted. "Quite some time" is now only years, not decades. It might be useful to consider ano

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-23 Thread Charles Swiger
On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 03:43 PM, Barney Wolff wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 02:23:57PM -0400, Charles Swiger wrote: What are you going to do when IPv6 comes into more general use, since it has no broadcast address? Are you asking what a IPv4-to-IPv6 translator (like gif?) should do, o

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-23 Thread Barney Wolff
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 02:23:57PM -0400, Charles Swiger wrote: > >What are you going to do when IPv6 comes into more general use, since > >it has no broadcast address? > > Are you asking what a IPv4-to-IPv6 translator (like gif?) should do, or > are you worried about the case of a machine config

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-23 Thread Charles Swiger
On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 02:45 PM, Wes Peters wrote: The all-ones broadcast is supposed to go to all physically connected network segments, regardless of whether a particular interface is ifconfig'ured with an IP that is part of a particular layer-3 subnet. You should be able to send the b

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-23 Thread Wes Peters
On Thursday 23 October 2003 11:23 am, Charles Swiger wrote: > On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 11:52 AM, Barney Wolff wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 01:55:55AM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > > [ ... ] > > > What are you going to do when IPv6 comes into more general use, since > > it has no broadca

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-23 Thread Wes Peters
On Thursday 23 October 2003 08:52 am, Barney Wolff wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 01:55:55AM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > > To me it's not a matter of "boot code" vs. general usefulness so much > > as it's just obviously the right way to do it. We use all-ones > > packets well after boot to have o

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-23 Thread Charles Swiger
On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 11:52 AM, Barney Wolff wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 01:55:55AM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: [ ... ] What are you going to do when IPv6 comes into more general use, since it has no broadcast address? Are you asking what a IPv4-to-IPv6 translator (like gif?) should do,

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-23 Thread Barney Wolff
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 01:55:55AM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > > To me it's not a matter of "boot code" vs. general usefulness so much as > it's just obviously the right way to do it. We use all-ones packets well > after boot to have our appliances identify each other on the network and > share

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-23 Thread Wes Peters
On Tuesday 21 October 2003 03:23 pm, Barney Wolff wrote: > Bruce M Simpson wrote pointing > out AODV (RFC 3561) as an example of a routing protocol needing to > send to 255.255.255.255 on multiple interfaces at once. I withdraw > my scorn of kernel mods to facilitate this. To me it's not a matter

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-21 Thread Barney Wolff
Bruce M Simpson wrote pointing out AODV (RFC 3561) as an example of a routing protocol needing to send to 255.255.255.255 on multiple interfaces at once. I withdraw my scorn of kernel mods to facilitate this. -- Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf I'm available by contract o

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-21 Thread Bruce M Simpson
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:42:50PM -0400, Barney Wolff wrote: > And of course any application that actually needs to send such a packet > on every interface can loop through the interfaces, using the technique > on each one, getting the reply, removing the 255.0.0.0/8 alias, and > moving on to the

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-20 Thread Barney Wolff
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 03:21:26PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > > But does it send the packet to all attached interfaces on a multi-homed > host? This is the type of bug that has typically bitten such hackish > solutions in the past. One real solution is worth much more than the > sum of the so

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-20 Thread Wes Peters
On Monday 20 October 2003 12:49, Barney Wolff wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:00:19PM +0100, Bruce M Simpson wrote: > > Undirected broadcasts will only work if you do the following:- > > I've pointed out before that the gross hack of assigning IP address > 255.0.0.0/8 to the desired interface s

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-20 Thread Barney Wolff
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:00:19PM +0100, Bruce M Simpson wrote: > > Undirected broadcasts will only work if you do the following:- I've pointed out before that the gross hack of assigning IP address 255.0.0.0/8 to the desired interface should work. I've just confirmed that doing that, on RELENG

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-20 Thread Bruce M Simpson
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:47:51AM -0700, sarat chandra Annadata wrote: > I am need of some urgent techinical help to pull me out of a little problem. I have > been > trying to broadcast a UDP packet(actually it is a DHCP offer packet) but > havent' successfully done it sofar. The following is t

Re: Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-20 Thread Lars Eggert
W. Richard Stevens UNIX Network Programming Prentice Hall sarat chandra Annadata wrote: Hai, I am need of some urgent techinical help to pull me out of a little problem. I have been trying to broadcast a UDP packet(actually it is a DHCP offer packet) but havent' successfully done it sofar. The

Help Broadcasting a UDP packet on the LAN:URGENT

2003-10-20 Thread sarat chandra Annadata
Hai, I am need of some urgent techinical help to pull me out of a little problem. I have been trying to broadcast a UDP packet(actually it is a DHCP offer packet) but havent' successfully done it sofar. The following is the descripttion about how I have been trying to do it. 1) I am creating