State of FreeBSD/xbox

2011-04-03 Thread Chris Rees
Hi all, I've got an xbox running at my parents' house as a backup MX, among other things. Ages ago I updated it from 7.2 -> 8.1, and I ended up with no end of trouble, and finished by restoring a backup. I emailed rink@, although he replied it appears a case of ENOTIME. Am I the last person on t

Utmpx usage

2011-05-22 Thread Chris Rees
Hi all, After removing all kittens from Ed's reach, I'm disclosing that sysutils/runit tried to use utmpx to directly read() and write() the utmpx files directly... I've replaced the offending code with a patch to the port [1], but I wonder if anyone would please review the patch? I don't have a

Re: Active slice, only for a next boot

2011-05-27 Thread Chris Rees
On 27 May 2011 17:47, wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: Alexander Best > To: rank1see...@gmail.com > Cc: hack...@freebsd.org > Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 13:47:54 + > Subject: Re: Active slice, only for a next boot > > > On Fri May 27 11, rank1see...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Idea is .

Re: Active slice, only for a next boot

2011-05-28 Thread Chris Rees
On 28 May 2011 10:04, "Julian Elischer" wrote: > > On 5/27/11 11:34 AM, Warner Losh wrote: >> >> On May 27, 2011, at 10:47 AM, rank1see...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Alexander Best >>> To: rank1see...@gmail.com >>> Cc: hack...@freebsd.org >>> Date: Fri, 27 May 2

Re: compiler warnings (was: Re: [rfc] a few kern.mk and bsd.sys.mk related changes)

2011-05-30 Thread Chris Rees
On 30 May 2011 18:44, Dieter BSD wrote: >> maybe we find some nice -Wwarning options which are reasonable >> to have > > -Wmissing-declarations > -Wimplicit > > FreeBSD's gcc doesn't seem to have  -Wcoercion  ??? > Bugzilla indicates that it was added years ago (2006?). > > It would be really real

CONF class of files

2011-06-17 Thread Chris Rees
Hi all, Macros are being tested for bsd.port.mk that use a new class of files, in the same vein as the BINOWN variables I have introduced CONFOWN, CONFGRP, CONFMODE and CONFDIR. Please would someone review and give an opinion on [1]? I'd _really_ appreciate getting it in before 9-R Chris http:

Re: CONF class of files

2011-06-17 Thread Chris Rees
On 17 Jun 2011 19:53, "Warner Losh" wrote: > > I like it. I think we should get it in ASAP. > > Warner You have a src bit ;) Chris ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, s

Re: CONF class of files

2011-06-19 Thread Chris Rees
On 19 June 2011 09:15, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > Hi Chris, > > On Jun 17, 2011, at 18:40, Chris Rees wrote: >> Macros are being tested for bsd.port.mk that use a new class of files, >> in the same vein as the BINOWN variables I have introduced CONFOWN, >> CO

Re: CONF class of files

2011-06-19 Thread Chris Rees
On 19 June 2011 15:36, Dieter BSD wrote: >> CONFDIR is for base, not ports > > Perhaps ${BASE_CONF_DIR}, ${PORTS_CONF_DIR}, ... Have a look at the surrounding code, it matches the other variables that we have always used. Please don't let this become a bikeshed! Chris __

Re: CONF class of files

2011-06-22 Thread Chris Rees
On 19 June 2011 10:14, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: > On Jun 19, 2011, at 10:50, Chris Rees wrote: >> On 19 June 2011 09:15, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: >>> >>> On Jun 17, 2011, at 18:40, Chris Rees wrote: >>>> Macros are being tested for bsd.port.mk tha

Re: State of FreeBSD/xbox

2011-06-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 3 April 2011 22:11, Ed Schouten wrote: > Hi Chris, Kostik, > > * Kostik Belousov , 20110403 21:26: >> On Sun, Apr 03, 2011 at 07:40:14PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: >> > In short-- FreeBSD/xbox is bitrotted (or so it appears!) > > Well, I did run FreeBSD HEAD on my X

Re: State of FreeBSD/xbox

2011-06-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 June 2011 16:31, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On Sunday 26 June 2011 16:19:14 Chris Rees wrote: >> It was panicking on boot apparently, though kdb doesn't appear to work >> with the USB keyboard I was forced to use. > > If you give USB some time to enumerate I sho

Re: State of FreeBSD/xbox

2011-06-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 Jun 2011 16:51, "Chris Rees" wrote: > > On 26 June 2011 16:31, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > > On Sunday 26 June 2011 16:19:14 Chris Rees wrote: > >> It was panicking on boot apparently, though kdb doesn't appear to work > >> with the USB keyb

Default value for UIDs

2011-06-28 Thread Chris Rees
Hi all, [crees@zeus]~% tail -n 2 /usr/ports/UIDs dbxml:*:949:949::0:0:dbXML user:/nonexistent:/sbin/nologin nobody:*:65534:65534::0:0:Unprivileged user:/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin [crees@zeus]~% grep crees /etc/passwd crees:*:1001:1001:Chris Rees:/home/crees:/bin/tcsh chris:*:1001:1001:Chris

Re: Default value for UIDs

2011-06-28 Thread Chris Rees
On 28 June 2011 17:59, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Jun 28), Chris Rees said: >> Hi all, >> >> [crees@zeus]~% tail -n 2 /usr/ports/UIDs >> dbxml:*:949:949::0:0:dbXML user:/nonexistent:/sbin/nologin >> nobody:*:65534:65534::0:0:Unprivileged user:/nonexi

Re: Default value for UIDs

2011-06-28 Thread Chris Rees
On 28 June 2011 20:50, jhell wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 06:30:23PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: >> On 28 June 2011 17:59, Dan Nelson wrote: >> > In the last episode (Jun 28), Chris Rees said: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> [crees@zeus]~% tail

Re: Default value for UIDs

2011-06-28 Thread Chris Rees
On 28 June 2011 20:57, Chris Rees wrote: > On 28 June 2011 20:50, jhell wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 06:30:23PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: >>> On 28 June 2011 17:59, Dan Nelson wrote: >>> > In the last episode (Jun 28), Chris Rees said: >>> >> H

Re: Default value for UIDs

2011-06-28 Thread Chris Rees
On 28 Jun 2011 21:33, "Greg Lewis" wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 09:11:54PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > > On 28 June 2011 20:57, Chris Rees wrote: > > > On 28 June 2011 20:50, jhell wrote: > > >> Also: (stable/8) /usr/ports/UIDs > > >>

Re: [PATCH] __FreeBSD_kernel__

2011-07-03 Thread Chris Rees
2011/7/3 Alexander Kabaev : > > __linux__ is exactly what __FreeBSD__ is and dies not identify kernel > but rather Linux as whole OS, whatever that might be these days. > > There does not appear to be an universal macro that identifies > environment as using Linux kernel regardless of the rest of c

Re: [PATCH] __FreeBSD_kernel__

2011-07-03 Thread Chris Rees
On 3 July 2011 15:44, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 15:38:41 +0100 > Chris Rees wrote: >> 2011/7/3 Alexander Kabaev : >> > >> > __linux__ is exactly what __FreeBSD__ is and dies not identify >> > kernel but rather Linux as whole OS,

Re: A style proposal for referring to upper-level directories in Makefiles

2011-07-28 Thread Chris Rees
On 28 July 2011 19:47, Mikhail T. wrote: > The most common method to refer to the upper directory in Makefile is as > ${.CURDIR}/.. > > I'd like to propose we begin using ${.CURDIR:H} instead. For one this speeds > up the filesystem-traversal for the invoked tool. And, perhaps more > importantly,

Re: Concurrent execution of rc-scripts with rcorder(8)

2011-08-21 Thread Chris Rees
*** Sorry, emailed from wrong address and it bounced from hackers ***: I might suggest moving this to rc@. I'll try it later, looks interesting. Chris ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hacker

Re: man bzip2 - suggest we add to See Also

2011-09-11 Thread Chris Rees
On 11 September 2011 13:19, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > "b. f." wrote: >> > >> > I suggest we should add a See Also section to man bzip2, >> > >> >         FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE & current man bzip2 >> >                 .../-current/src/contrib/bzip2/bzip2.1 >> > >> > adding URLs >> >         http://ww

Re: /usr/src -> make doesn't recognize target when '-f -' is used

2011-09-27 Thread Chris Rees
On 27 Sep 2011 12:24, wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: h h > To: rank1see...@gmail.com > Cc: hack...@freebsd.org > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 10:03:08 + > Subject: Re: /usr/src -> make doesn't recognize target when '-f -' is used > > > rank1see...@gmail.com writes: > > > > > cd /us

Re: /usr/src -> make doesn't recognize target when '-f -' is used

2011-09-27 Thread Chris Rees
On 27 September 2011 17:23, wrote: > - Original Message - > From: Chris Rees > To: rank1see...@gmail.com > Cc: h h , hack...@freebsd.org > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:16:57 +0100 > Subject: Re: /usr/src -> make doesn't recognize target when '-f -' is us

Re: Does anyone use nscd?

2011-10-07 Thread Chris Rees
On 7 Oct 2011 08:13, wrote: > > Ivan Voras wrote: > > On 05/10/2011 09:38, Trond Endrest??l wrote: > > > On Wed, 5 Oct 2011 12:54+1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > >> In my experience ncsd seems to cache negative hits forever, > > >> regardless of the setting for negative-time-to-live. > > > > > >

Re: cron(8) mis-feature with @reboot long after system startup

2011-11-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 November 2011 07:25, Doug Barton wrote: > On 11/25/2011 23:08, Cy Schubert wrote: >> If average users really do need to run something at boot they're likely >> running some kind of service > > I don't think second-guessing what users are doing is going to be a > useful exercise here. I will

Re: cron(8) mis-feature with @reboot long after system startup

2011-11-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 November 2011 19:00, Jason Hellenthal wrote: > On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 06:43:38AM +0100, Michael Ross wrote: >> Am 26.11.2011, 06:11 Uhr, schrieb Jason Hellenthal : >> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 10:36:40PM +0100, Christian Kastner wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> On 2011-11-25 08:02, Jason Hellen

Re: CPUTYPE and friends, from 'make.conf' benchmark

2011-12-05 Thread Chris Rees
On 5 Dec 2011 17:27, "Freddie Cash" wrote: > > 2011/12/5 > > > I've took machine and installed binary FreeBSD(amd64 8.2-p4 GENERIC) on it. > > Then I've installed 'benchmarks/unixbench' port. > > > > So everything is a default generic binary install ('make.conf' empty - no > > CPU optimization fl

Re: CPUTYPE and friends, from 'make.conf' benchmark

2011-12-06 Thread Chris Rees
On 6 Dec 2011 17:04, wrote: > > # /bin/sh -c "gcc -v -x c -E -mtune=native /dev/null -o /dev/null 2>&1 | grep mtune | sed -e 's/.*mtune=//'" > generic > > For target machine, it returned 'generic' > > Now only with CPUTYPE in 'make.conf': > -- > CPUTYPE?=core2 > -- > > > Also, you should set these

Re: gcc 4.2 miscompilation with -O2 -fno-omit-frame-pointer on amd64

2011-12-09 Thread Chris Rees
On 9 Dec 2011 17:51, "Arnaud Lacombe" wrote: > > Hi, > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Rafal Jaworowski wrote: > > > > On 2011-12-08, at 17:53, Nathan Whitehorn wrote: > > > >> On 12/08/11 03:01, Piotr Nowak wrote: > >>> We're working on PowerPC target using GCC 4.2.1 > >>> and FreeBSD 6.1. It

Checking for other kernel modules on load

2011-12-28 Thread Chris Rees
Hi all, Apologies for the noob question-- I'm trying to stop audio/oss causing panics when loaded on a system that includes DEVICE sound in its kernel config (which has been GENERIC for ~6months now :)) Is there a simple way to check for existence of a driver? I could even check for /dev/sndstat

Re: Checking for other kernel modules on load

2011-12-28 Thread Chris Rees
On 28 December 2011 12:21, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 28/12/2011, at 22:07, Chris Rees wrote: >> Is there a simple way to check for existence of a driver?  I could >> even check for /dev/sndstat, though that doesn't seem elegant to me... > > kldstat -v, but

Re: Checking for other kernel modules on load

2011-12-28 Thread Chris Rees
2011/12/28 Kostik Belousov : > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 12:23:58PM +0000, Chris Rees wrote: >> On 28 December 2011 12:21, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >> > >> > On 28/12/2011, at 22:07, Chris Rees wrote: >> >> Is there a simple way to check for existence of

Re: Checking for other kernel modules on load

2011-12-29 Thread Chris Rees
2011/12/29 Kostik Belousov : > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 12:53:19PM +0000, Chris Rees wrote: >> 2011/12/29 Kostik Belousov : >> > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:46:57AM +, Chris Rees wrote: >> >> 2011/12/28 Kostik Belousov : >> >> > On Wed, Dec 2

Re: Checking for other kernel modules on load

2011-12-29 Thread Chris Rees
2011/12/29 Kostik Belousov : > On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:46:57AM +0000, Chris Rees wrote: >> 2011/12/28 Kostik Belousov : >> > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 02:53:42PM +, Chris Rees wrote: >> >> 2011/12/28 Kostik Belousov : >> >> > On Wed, Dec 2

Re: Checking for other kernel modules on load

2011-12-29 Thread Chris Rees
2011/12/28 Kostik Belousov : > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 02:53:42PM +0000, Chris Rees wrote: >> 2011/12/28 Kostik Belousov : >> > On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 12:23:58PM +, Chris Rees wrote: >> >> On 28 December 2011 12:21, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >> >>

Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-17 Thread Chris Rees
On 17 Jan 2012 13:38, "Atom Smasher" wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Jan 2012, richo wrote: > >> This would be a different argument if all the devs were paid a salary. > > == > > what percentage of linux devs are on salary to develop linux? > You're not comparing like with like. Linux is not a

Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-17 Thread Chris Rees
On 17 January 2012 20:30, Atom Smasher wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jan 2012, Chris Rees wrote: > >> > what percentage of linux devs are on salary to develop linux? >> > >> >> You're not comparing like with like. >> >> Linux is not an OS; FreeBSD i

Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-18 Thread Chris Rees
On 18 Jan 2012 17:12, "Igor Mozolevsky" wrote: > On 18 January 2012 17:06, Devin Teske wrote: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: owner-freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > >> hack...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Julian Elischer > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:56 AM >

Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-22 Thread Chris Rees
On 22 Jan 2012 12:05, "Da Rock" <9phack...@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote: > > On 01/22/12 15:49, Mark Linimon wrote: >> >> As I type this, there are 1122 ports PRs (6272 total PRs). On most days, around 40 come in. > > How do you get that number? I ran a search on pr's and only came up with arou

Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-24 Thread Chris Rees
On 24 January 2012 18:36, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, > > "Mark Linimon" pisze: >> We don't have a way to track emails that various users send to individual >> maintainers.  With a PR open, we have a way to do that.  We also track >> maintainer-timeouts, and these can eventually lead to a maintai

Re: src builds and STDERR

2012-03-01 Thread Chris Rees
On 1 Mar 2012 16:31, "Garrett Cooper" wrote: > > 2012/3/1 : > > When building world and kernel, I was pissed off with endless amount of output, as it also makes my eyes into rolling, thus decided to care only for errors. > > So I've redirected STDOUT to /dev/null. > > Upon error, there is JUST 1

Re: BUG: 9.0 stage 2 boot (/boot/boot)

2012-03-03 Thread Chris Rees
On 2 Mar 2012 15:17, wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: John Baldwin > To: rank1see...@gmail.com > Cc: hack...@freebsd.org, "Roman Divacky" , Andriy Gapon > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 16:14:43 -0500 > Subject: Re: BUG: 9.0 stage 2 boot (/boot/boot) > > > > > However, avg@ might have foun

Re: Fwd: on purpose or forgotten ? hardcoded compiler in basesystem-makefiles

2012-03-05 Thread Chris Rees
On 5 Mar 2012 14:36, "Dr. A. Haakh" wrote: > > As suggested my M. Seaman, i repost my message here. > > Original Message > Subject:on purpose or forgotten ? hardcoded compiler in basesystem-makefiles > Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:12:42 +0100 > From: Dr. A. Haakh > To:

Re: Active slice, only for a next boot

2012-03-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 March 2012 18:10, wrote: > - Original Message - > From: John Baldwin > To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > Cc: rank1see...@gmail.com, hack...@freebsd.org > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:18:53 -0400 > Subject: Re: Active slice, only for a next boot > >> On Sunday, March 25, 2012 2:49:17 p

Re: Reverse engineering; How to...

2012-03-29 Thread Chris Rees
On 28 Mar 2012 21:23, "Chris.H" wrote: > > Greetings, > Over the past year, in an effort to convert my server farm to wireless, I've purchased some half a dozen USB wireless dongles, at a total cost of ~150.00. Unfortunately, none of them are (yet) supported — I know, I know, I've already had thi

Re: Is there any modern alternative to pstack?

2012-04-04 Thread Chris Rees
On 4 Apr 2012 06:41, "Julian Elischer" wrote: > > On 4/2/12 10:12 AM, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On Monday, April 02, 2012 12:39:26 pm Yuri wrote: >>> >>> On 04/02/2012 05:31, John Baldwin wrote: Hmm, I don't know if the port has it, but I did some work on pstack a while ago to make

Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

2012-04-29 Thread Chris Rees
On 29 Apr 2012 16:33, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> >> FreeBSD installation and boot style are very nice . Personally I dislike very much Ubuntu-like installs ( nothing is displayed about >> what is going on ) and I never use it ( in spite of I am installing each release of it ) . > > > Another w

Re: Booting Ubuntu and freebsd side by side

2012-05-20 Thread Chris Rees
On 20 May 2012 15:08, Uffe Jakobsen wrote: > > > Hi, > > > On 2012-05-19 20:59, سید احمد حسینی wrote: >> >> I used boot0 with boot9cfg : boot0cfg -B -b /boot/boot0 ada0 >> And I can see boot0 menu ,but Ubuntu can't boot! >> On May 19, 2012 11:26 PM, "سید احمد حسینی"  wrote: >> > > You should make

Re: PID/UID namespaces

2012-05-21 Thread Chris Rees
On 21 May 2012 14:47, David Windsor wrote: > Hi, > > While doing some research on FreeBSD jails, I came across an item in the > jails' TODO: > > >   - be able to have a separate PID space for it >   - be able to specify a separate UID space for it > > In other projects, these goals have been accom

Re: PID/UID namespaces

2012-05-21 Thread Chris Rees
On 21 May 2012 20:57, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message > > , Chris Rees writes: > >>It would certainly prevent many common problems when setting up jails; >>UID collision is much more common than you'd think, given that the >>default UIDs remain the same.

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 May 2012 15:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> Why? Your laptop have most probably slow CPU and it will make everything >>> too slow if you make everything encrypted. >> >> >> I'd suggest some experiments - create a largish RAMdisk with and without >> GELI and see how the performance compares (t

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 May 2012 16:04, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> use tmpfs and don't fear to add /var/tmp to it. >> >> >> I would fear to add /var/tmp-- /var/tmp should persist across reboots. >> >> Chris >> >> > as i noted - check your case.in my case it is not a problem. it your it may. > > Never blindly fo

Re: reverse USB driver - is it possible?

2012-06-03 Thread Chris Rees
On 3 June 2012 09:25, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > for SCSI/SAS/FC there is targ(4) driver allows you to become SCSI target. > > is it the same possible with USB? > i mean if i can make my laptop to simulate say USB CDROM. > > Yes there are no driver line targ(4) for USB, but it is technically possibl

Re: CD bootcode

2012-06-07 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 7, 2012 2:58 PM, wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: John Baldwin > To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org > Cc: rank1see...@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:21:39 -0400 > Subject: Re: CD bootcode > > > On Wednesday, June 06, 2012 12:15:14 pm rank1see...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Fre

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

2012-06-14 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 14, 2012 5:52 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1 listed - can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ? > > > does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are done constantly. > just sometime somebody decide to change

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

2012-06-14 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 14, 2012 9:30 AM, "Damien Fleuriot" wrote: > > On 6/14/12 9:09 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2012 5:52 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" < woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> > > wrote: > >>> > >>> Friends, > >>>

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

2012-06-15 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 15, 2012 9:39 AM, "Peter Jeremy" wrote: > > On 2012-Jun-14 08:09:30 +0100, Chris Rees wrote: > >Except STABLE is no good for production, and the problem is EoL- updates > >and support stop. > > There's nothing stopping you from from running -stab

Re: BIO_DELETE equivalent for file on FFS filesystem

2012-06-16 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 14, 2012 5:49 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >>> >>> file to take 900MB or... can i call some system function to "punch" >>> holes? >> >> >> I think you can only truncate the file at this time, pretty much like >> brk() works for memory. > > > > BAD. suppose i keep windoze VM image on filesys

Re: BIO_DELETE equivalent for file on FFS filesystem

2012-06-16 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 16, 2012 8:37 PM, "Xin LI" wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Chris Rees wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2012 5:49 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" < woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> > > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> file t

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-06-16 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 16, 2012 8:26 PM, wrote: > > > > And PLEASE DO NOT make this stupid MSDOS style slices. It is not just > > > unneeded but introduces mess and only mess. > > > > > > just have /dev/ad0a not /dev/ad0s1a > > > What FreeBSD devs have to say about this? > ;) I say we have GPT this decade :) Ch

Re: Replacing rc(8) (Was: FreeBSD Boot Times)

2012-06-21 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 20, 2012 11:03 PM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >>> >>> scripts, i deleted most of it and put startup sequence in single file. >>> >>> It was plain horror. >> >> >> You would weep if you saw Solaris's SMF, then. Everything is > > > i don't really know what i've seen. i've installed latest sola

Re: Replacing rc(8) (Was: FreeBSD Boot Times)

2012-06-21 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 21, 2012 5:15 PM, "Jason Hellenthal" wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:22:08PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Lets make a summary. > > > > What functionality would be good to have in FreeBSD that doesn't exist: > > > > 1) "runlevels" with arbitrary names. runlevel change would st

Re: Replacing rc(8) (Was: FreeBSD Boot Times)

2012-06-21 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 22, 2012 7:33 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >>> >>> separate and optional program. >>> that's acceptable, except i have no idea why this fscadm enable/disable. >>> editing config is enough. >> >> >> I don't think I understand >> "i have no idea why this fscadm enable/disable. editing config

Re: MAGIC with HP KVM - someone will help?

2012-06-23 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 23, 2012 7:04 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: > > 100% HIT! > > yes i have on of those that have "PS/2 reset" issues " Unfortunately even good adaptors have their share of problems. I refuse to move from the keyboard I have currently, and occasionally keys get 'stuck' but it's so obvious

Re: sysctl filesystem ?

2012-06-25 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 26, 2012 7:07 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: > > as well as we don't depend of /proc for normal operation we shouldn't for say /proc/sysctl > > improvements are welcome, better documentation is welcome, changes to what is OK - isn't. /proc/sysctl might be useful. Just because Linux uses it

Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-05 Thread Chris Rees
On Jul 5, 2012 11:16 AM, "Jonathan McKeown" wrote: > > On Thursday 05 July 2012 11:03:32 Doug Barton wrote: > > On 07/05/2012 01:28, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > > On 2012-Jul-05 09:22:25 +0200, Jonathan McKeown > > > > > > wrote: > > >> As for the idea that Linux refugees need extra help to migrate,

Re: Gentoo Solution to Nanny Terminal Problem

2012-07-05 Thread Chris Rees
On Jul 5, 2012 4:00 PM, "Sean" wrote: > > > On 05/07/2012, at 10:02 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > > > > The second is the e-file command, which will query that database for > > whatever follows it. For example, if I want to find out which package > > installs repoman, I can do `e-file repoman`. I can a

Re: Better error messages for command not found (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-05 Thread Chris Rees
On Jul 5, 2012 5:37 PM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >>> >>> >>> are you serious that linux distros have such a think now? >>> I didn't use linux for a long time and no plan to use it, but you are joking isn't it? >> >> >> They do, and it's actually very useful in two cases: > > > no it isn't. unless

Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-07 Thread Chris Rees
On Jul 7, 2012 10:25 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> something they probably don't even know about, than to skilled users to >> turn it off. >> >> If this feature is going to prints quite a few extra lines, let's just >> add one more line saying: >> >> To disable this message run: echo

Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-07 Thread Chris Rees
On Jul 7, 2012 10:46 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> This is not 'going down'. This is adding features to help newcomers. You are free to disable them. It will not remove anything > > this doesn't help newcomers. Just like "easy installers", "desktop environments" and so on. > > this only gene

port devel/doxygen failing to test on -CURRENT and -STABLE

2012-07-08 Thread Chris Rees
Hi all / David, doxygen has been failing for a while now on -CURRENT and apparently -STABLE too. The current fix is disabling one of the tests in the build, but obviously it points to a problem with our base system I've trussed [1] the failing code [2], and it looks as though it's hanging on

Re: Better error messages for command not found (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-08 Thread Chris Rees
On 5 July 2012 01:30, Tim Kientzle wrote: > On Jul 4, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Jason Hellenthal wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 03:59:29PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >>> On 07/04/2012 15:55, Jason Hellenthal wrote: Seeing as sudo plays a big part of this >>> >>> No ... not only is sudo not a nec

Re: port devel/doxygen failing to test on -CURRENT and -STABLE

2012-07-12 Thread Chris Rees
On 9 July 2012 02:49, David Xu wrote: > On 2012/07/08 18:21, Chris Rees wrote: >> >> Hi all / David, >> >> doxygen has been failing for a while now on -CURRENT and apparently >> -STABLE too. The current fix is disabling one of the tests in the >> build, bu

Re: Resistance to documentation? (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?)

2012-07-18 Thread Chris Rees
On 18 Jul 2012 09:39, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> >> I think this is unintentionally specious reasoning. No offense intended. :) >> > true > > >> The program itself is fairly trivial to write. > > > i don't need such a tool, but if it would be separate tool, then it is all right if someone like

Re: port devel/doxygen failing to test on -CURRENT and -STABLE

2012-08-11 Thread Chris Rees
On 12 July 2012 18:52, Chris Rees wrote: > On 9 July 2012 02:49, David Xu wrote: >> On 2012/07/08 18:21, Chris Rees wrote: >>> >>> Hi all / David, >>> >>> doxygen has been failing for a while now on -CURRENT and apparently >>> -STABLE too.

Re: FreeBSD Kernel Internals, lecture video

2012-08-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 Aug 2012 13:15, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: > > very expensive.. Training and education generally are. Chris ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "fre

Re: Why fdisk can't open root disk with MBR for writing?

2012-09-16 Thread Chris Rees
On 16 September 2012 10:23, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > This is a resend as Benjamin Kaduk > dropped the > Yuri > from CC line, & Yuri was the original first poster in thread who > my patch would presumably have helped. > > Reference: >> From: Benjamin Kaduk >> Date: Sat,

Re: [RFC] Add *.orig/*.rej to svn:ignore in src?

2012-09-16 Thread Chris Rees
On 16 September 2012 10:11, Garrett Cooper wrote: > I noticed that we have a handful of patterns currently ignored in > svn:ignore (at least at the top-level… the lower levels don't appear to be > set in any particular manner): > > $ svn propget svn:ignore > _.tinderbox.* > _.amd64.* > _

Re: gpart is junk

2012-09-17 Thread Chris Rees
On 17 Sep 2012 12:58, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> IMHO, gpart and GEOM are fantastic. > > > anyway it is MUCH easier and faster to edit disklabels with bsdlabel -e than with gpart. > > Unfortunately since some time bsdlabel cannot edit labels if ANY of partitions are open. You may be more fami

Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD

2012-09-17 Thread Chris Rees
On 17 Sep 2012 17:22, "Tom Evans" wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Zhihao Yuan wrote: > > I definitely agree with this. Sun has a book, "UNIX Essentials > > featuring the Solaris...", and GUI takes a big part in the book. A > > default GUI is essential to a modern UNIX. FreeBSD can no

Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD

2012-09-18 Thread Chris Rees
Can you perhaps read the whole thread and organise your thoughts into just one email? Chris On 18 Sep 2012 09:09, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: > To be succinct: this is not OSX/Windows. True Unix and Unix clones can >> be decoupled from a desktop environment enough that forcing everyone >> to have o

Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD

2012-09-18 Thread Chris Rees
On 18 Sep 2012 09:41, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >>> >>> desktop environment" or similar ideas? >> >> >> Tell you what: >> >> When you have at least 75% of the user population of FreeBSD agreeing >> on which window manager we should offer as the default, we can talk >> about this. > > > so if 76% wo

Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program

2012-10-25 Thread Chris Rees
On 25 October 2012 22:15, David O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 09:11:29AM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >> two independent efforts (ATF & bmake) and there was no indication that >> one would be greatly benefitted from the other. At least not to the >> point of creating a dependency. > >

Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program

2012-10-25 Thread Chris Rees
On 25 October 2012 22:32, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > ... > >> I think there are 2 reasons why not to: >> >> 1. The people working on ATF have not raised this concern and >> have expressed that using the WITH_BMAKE knob is but a small

Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program

2012-10-25 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 Oct 2012 06:01, "Konstantin Belousov" wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 03:53:53PM -0700, Simon J. Gerraty wrote: > > > > On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:01:27 +0100, Chris Rees writes: > > >Is there a Wiki page where the actual benefits of moving to bmake

Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program

2012-10-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 Oct 2012 19:12, "David O'Brien" wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:12:44AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > Do be able to get the ports tree working with bmake asap, I also asked > > him to MFC it to 9.1, from latest reply he got positive answer from re@ > > about this, but was waitin

Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program

2012-10-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 Oct 2012 20:15, "Chris Rees" wrote: > > > On 26 Oct 2012 19:12, "David O'Brien" wrote: > > > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:12:44AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > Do be able to get the ports tree working with bmake asap, I also

Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program

2012-10-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 Oct 2012 21:51, "Simon J. Gerraty" wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:00:26 +0100, Chris Rees writes: > >:L -- seems that bmake's use for this is kinda pointless; returning the > >name of the variable; we could swap that usage over directly. > > A

Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program

2012-10-27 Thread Chris Rees
On 27 Oct 2012 00:35, "Simon J. Gerraty" wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:02:00 +0100, Chris Rees writes: > >In that case we have a switch time on the order of years, not weeks; 8.3 is > >supported until May '14, and unless we get a :tl etc MFC into 8, even

Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program

2012-10-27 Thread Chris Rees
[trim CC list a little to stop people regretting replying to this thread] On 27 October 2012 10:15, Chris Rees wrote: > > On 27 Oct 2012 00:35, "Simon J. Gerraty" wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:02:00 +0100, Chris Rees writes: >> >In that case

Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program

2012-10-27 Thread Chris Rees
On 27 October 2012 15:32, Bryan Drewery wrote: > On 10/27/2012 8:23 AM, Chris Rees wrote: >> [trim CC list a little to stop people regretting replying to this thread] >> >> On 27 October 2012 10:15, Chris Rees wrote: >>> >>> On 27 Oct 2012 00:35, "Sim

Call for review -- rc needs some love!

2012-10-27 Thread Chris Rees
Hi all, I've tried to have a look at some of the lingering issues in our rc [1] as well as kick up some discussion over some other patches, but looking over the archives of the list it seems that no-one is maintaining it or reviewing patches. Because of this, I'm having a hard time working out ho

Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program

2012-10-27 Thread Chris Rees
On 27 October 2012 18:27, Simon J. Gerraty wrote: >>These discussions need backing up with a real roadmap, including detail on >>exactly what 8.3 and 7.4 users will have to do to ensure that the ports >>tree still works. > > I've tested the ports tree converted to bmake - per the "patch" I > menti

Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program

2012-10-27 Thread Chris Rees
On 27 October 2012 19:52, Simon J. Gerraty wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:23:29 +0100, Chris Rees writes: >>We (ab)use the security update mechanism to merge the pmake changes >>(:tl and :tu) into releng/7.4 and releng/8.3 (possibly the earlier > > I originally provid

Re: Porting patch(1) from NetBSD to FreeBSD (was Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!)

2012-10-27 Thread Chris Rees
On 27 October 2012 22:17, hiren panchasara wrote: > [removing the CC list] > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > >> (cc'ing -ports and cutting most of the rest) >> >> > From: Eitan Adler >> .> >> >On 24 October 2012 13:24, Fernando Apesteguía wrote: >> >> Also related to tha

Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program

2012-10-28 Thread Chris Rees
On 27 October 2012 22:10, Simon J. Gerraty wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 19:53:56 +0100, Chris Rees writes: >>I'm saying that it's unacceptable to expect people to change their >>systems just to make the ports tree work after we have broken it on a >>supposedly

Re: [CFT/RFC]: refactor bsd.prog.mk to understand multiple programs instead of a singular program

2012-10-28 Thread Chris Rees
On 28 October 2012 19:11, Simon J. Gerraty wrote: > > On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 14:06:41 +, Chris Rees writes: >>Are we planning to replace /usr/bin/make with bmake in the near future? > > That was what I heard, but any such move is dependent on dealing with > ports. The ~sjg/

Re: Ports cross-compiling

2012-11-14 Thread Chris Rees
On 5 September 2012 07:40, Alexander Yerenkow wrote: > Hello all. > I'm currently trying to make poudriere cross compile some ports for arm > arch. > I'm using such command (as example): > > env TARGET=arm TARGET_ARCH=armv6 TARGET_CPUARCH=armv6 > PATH=/usr/obj/arm.armv6/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin:${PATH}

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