Re: Solving the great resource problem, take 42 (Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?)

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:06:15PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Royce Williams > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon wrote: > >>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wr

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Jun 14, 2012 5:52 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> Friends, >> >> I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1 listed - can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ? > > > does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are done constantly. > just sometime somebody decide to change

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On 6/14/12 9:09 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > On Jun 14, 2012 5:52 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" > wrote: >>> >>> Friends, >>> >>> I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1 listed > - can anyone confirm or deny 8.4 ? >> >> >> does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are done co

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 06:50:34AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are done constantly. > just sometime somebody decide to change number :) The difference is the freeze-and-test work that goes between "random date" and "release time". This requir

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Jun 14, 2012 9:30 AM, "Damien Fleuriot" wrote: > > On 6/14/12 9:09 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2012 5:52 AM, "Wojciech Puchar" < woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> > > wrote: > >>> > >>> Friends, > >>> > >>> I am looking at the upcoming release schedule, and I only see 9.1 listed > > - ca

Re: src builds and STDERR

Hello! On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Eygene Ryabinkin wrote: > Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 09:38:06AM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Chris Rees wrote: >> > On 1 Mar 2012 16:31, "Garrett Cooper" wrote: >> >> See: >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-curren

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:49:18 -0500, Damien Fleuriot wrote: I for one, as a fbsd admin on corporate servers ( read not commiter), would dearly like less releases but a more aggressive MFC approach. Less releases such as less frequent MAJOR releases (7.0, 8.0, 9.0...) or less MINOR release

Re: FreeBSD Boot Times

Thanks for the information -- I got scared by "SysV init". This actually does look very nice. -Nathan On 06/13/12 13:35, Richard Yao wrote: The OpenRC is sysvinit compatible, but it has few of sysvinit's flaws. It has named runlevels, the presence of an init script does not cause it to start an

groups and directories

assume we have timesharing system and multiple users. everyone have his/her home directory and here - the access right and ownership is simple. assume we need two shared directories - a and b directory a must be for user1,user2 and user3, directory b for user3,user4 and user5. things are s

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:30:19 am Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: > >> The only way that this would really work is if there were dedicated > >> sustaining engineers working on actively backpor

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 08:20:02AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:30:19 am Adrian Chadd wrote: > > On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: > > >> The only way that this would really work is if ther

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:29:22AM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > Whoever said STABLE is no good for production ? > > I used to make us stick to 8.2-RELEASE here at work, but some bugfixes > are just too important to skip (we're running firewalls and had a > problem with a CARP bug). In theory w

Re: FreeBSD Boot Times

On 6/13/12 6:29 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Russell Cattelan > wrote: > > On 6/13/12 2:16 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message > >

Re: FreeBSD Boot Times

Brandon writes: > Booting into Ubuntu minimal or my own custom Linux distro, > literally takes 0.5-2 seconds to boot up to shell 0.5-2 seconds from power-on to a shell prompt?  How do you get through the firmware that fast, much less firmware plus an OS? Which reminds me, back when I was triple-b

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

> does it matter. cvsup RELENG_8 and you see updates are done constantly. > just sometime somebody decide to change number :) Except STABLE is no good for production, and the problem is EoL- updates and support stop. using RELENG_8 everywhere except my private laptop with 9.

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

I used to make us stick to 8.2-RELEASE here at work, but some bugfixes are just too important to skip (we're running firewalls and had a problem with a CARP bug). I've moved us to 8.3-STABLE recently and am quite happy with it, so far. as most people do who needs FreeBSD to perform crucial work

Re: FreeBSD Boot Times

Linux does this by keeping a list of driver id's and corresponding driver modules. The installers can then generate of list of modules to load based on a scan done at install time. what a problem to compile custom kernel? ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.o

Re: FreeBSD Boot Times

That is a fairly common response. I would appreciate suggestions on how I can convey that OpenRC is a good init system. Also, I am certain that the OpenRC developers would be thrilled if FreeBSD adopted OpenRC. If FreeBSD core is interested in OpenRC, feel free to contact the OpenRC and/or the Gen

Import crt{begin,end}.S from NetBSD

NetBSD has replacements for GCC's crt{begin,end}.S: http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/lib/csu/arch/?only_with_tag=MAIN This would complement compiler-rt and libstdc++. We intend to import it in downstream Gentoo FreeBSD. Could this be imported into FreeBSD-CURRENT?

Re: Solving the great resource problem, take 42 (Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?)

On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:06:15 -0700 Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Royce Williams > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Adrian Chadd > > wrote: > >> On 13 June 2012 21:26, Mark Linimon wrote: > >>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 08:50:24AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote

Re: Solving the great resource problem, take 42 (Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?)

On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:32:08 -0800 Royce Williams wrote: > Even one item from my wish list would lower the branches so that more > people could reach the fruit. :-) Well... maybe this year for the crashdump auto-submit part. For the rest I suggest to provide some text suitable for the ideas list

Re: Solving the great resource problem

Spending resources to create more releases is pointless when the PRs aren't getting fixed.  "Oh, Look!  Release 9.2.2.2.2.2 is out!  The system still crashes every 5 seconds, but a typo on the true(1) man page is fixed." We need a more global discussion about all the things that resources are spen

Re: Solving the great resource problem

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:23:11 -0500, Dieter BSD wrote: Replacing perfectly good components simply because they are GPL. The purpose of BSD is supposed to be creating a great OS, not providing software hoarders with a supply of free code to abuse. You realize that companies like Juniper have

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

All I have an partial solution to this issue I was thinking about this on my morning train ride, so its a bit bumpy. Here are my solutions they are not complete but I think its a good start. 1. When official errata and security updates hit the tree . Providing updated install media could be step

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On 14 Jun 2012, at 15:13, Mark Felder wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:49:18 -0500, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > >> >> I for one, as a fbsd admin on corporate servers ( read not commiter), would >> dearly like less releases but a more aggressive MFC approach. > > Less releases such as less frequ

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

On 14 Jun 2012, at 16:41, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:29:22AM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> Whoever said STABLE is no good for production ? >> >> I used to make us stick to 8.2-RELEASE here at work, but some bugfixes >> are just too important to skip (we're running firew

Re: Import crt{begin,end}.S from NetBSD

On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:54:28 -0400 Richard Yao wrote: > NetBSD has replacements for GCC's crt{begin,end}.S: > > http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/lib/csu/arch/?only_with_tag=MAIN > > This would complement compiler-rt and libstdc++. We intend to import > it in downstream Gentoo FreeBSD. >

Re: Import crt{begin,end}.S from NetBSD

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/12 20:51, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:54:28 -0400 > Richard Yao wrote: > >> NetBSD has replacements for GCC's crt{begin,end}.S: >> >> http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/lib/csu/arch/?only_with_tag=MAIN >> >> This wo

Re: Import crt{begin,end}.S from NetBSD

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:00:18 -0400 Richard Yao wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/14/12 20:51, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:54:28 -0400 > > Richard Yao wrote: > > > >> NetBSD has replacements

Re: Upcoming release schedule - 8.4 ?

Hi, 9 will mature as people use it and report bugs/regressions. It would be really great if you could try some of your workload on -9 and provide feedback and file PRs. Engaging with the community (and hiring developers :) is by far the best way to get things to mature quickly. 2c, Adrian ___

Re: Import crt{begin,end}.S from NetBSD

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/12 22:24, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:00:18 -0400 Richard Yao > wrote: > > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > >> On 06/14/12 20:51, Alexander Kabaev wrote: >>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:54:28 -0400 Richard

Re: Import crt{begin,end}.S from NetBSD

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/14/12 22:24, Alexander Kabaev wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:00:18 -0400 Richard Yao >> wrote: >> >> >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >>> On 06/14/12 20:51, Alexan