Re: Vinum stripe size (was: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server)

2001-03-27 Thread Greg Lehey
On Wednesday, 28 March 2001 at 1:40:27 +0100, Brian Somers wrote: >> On Tuesday, 27 March 2001 at 9:39:36 +0100, Brian Somers wrote: On Tuesday, 20 March 2001 at 11:11:44 -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > [Lengthy email, bear with me please, it is quite interesting. > This box averages

Re: Vinum stripe size (was: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server)

2001-03-27 Thread Greg Lehey
On Tuesday, 27 March 2001 at 16:38:33 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Greg Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010327 16:21] wrote: >> On Tuesday, 27 March 2001 at 17:59:23 -0500, Brandon Gale wrote: > Do you think it'd be worth it to have vinum carp about what may > be a non optimal stripe size

Re: Vinum stripe size (was: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server)

2001-03-27 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Greg Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010327 16:21] wrote: > On Tuesday, 27 March 2001 at 17:59:23 -0500, Brandon Gale wrote: > >>> Do you think it'd be worth it to have vinum carp about what may > >>> be a non optimal stripe size? > >>> > >>> "Warning N is probably a bad idea for a stripe size, see

Re: Vinum stripe size (was: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server)

2001-03-27 Thread Brian Somers
> On Tuesday, 27 March 2001 at 9:39:36 +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > >> On Tuesday, 20 March 2001 at 11:11:44 -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > >>> [Lengthy email, bear with me please, it is quite interesting. > >>> This box averages 30.0 load with no problems.] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Average file

Re: Vinum stripe size (was: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server)

2001-03-27 Thread Greg Lehey
On Tuesday, 27 March 2001 at 15:15:17 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 05:16:53PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> No, there's no requirement for it to be a prime number. The only >> problem is that with 32 MB cylinder groups and a power of two stripe >> size and subdisk count, yo

Re: Vinum stripe size (was: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server)

2001-03-27 Thread Greg Lehey
On Tuesday, 27 March 2001 at 17:59:23 -0500, Brandon Gale wrote: >>> Do you think it'd be worth it to have vinum carp about what may >>> be a non optimal stripe size? >>> >>> "Warning N is probably a bad idea for a stripe size, see docs" >> >> Only if it can recognize the fact correctly. > > How

Re: Vinum stripe size (was: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server)

2001-03-27 Thread Greg Lehey
On Tuesday, 27 March 2001 at 9:39:36 +0100, Brian Somers wrote: >> On Tuesday, 20 March 2001 at 11:11:44 -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: >>> [Lengthy email, bear with me please, it is quite interesting. >>> This box averages 30.0 load with no problems.] >>> >>> >>> >>> Average file size is about 4K

Re: Vinum stripe size (was: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server)

2001-03-27 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 05:16:53PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > No, there's no requirement for it to be a prime number. The only > problem is that with 32 MB cylinder groups and a power of two stripe > size and subdisk count, you end up with all the superblocks on one > subdisk, The change I made

RE: Vinum stripe size (was: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server)

2001-03-27 Thread Brandon Gale
:> Do you think it'd be worth it to have vinum carp about what may :> be a non optimal stripe size? :> :> "Warning N is probably a bad idea for a stripe size, see docs" : :Only if it can recognize the fact correctly. How about even having vinum recommend something? Brandon To Unsubscribe: se

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-27 Thread Karsten W. Rohrbach
Greg Lehey([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 05:07:09PM +0930: > One of the reasons this question came up is because dumps weren't > enabled. If they had been, we would have seen the problem. That's > why I'd recommend at least as much swap as memory, even if it doesn't > get touched. when

Re: Vinum stripe size (was: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server)

2001-03-27 Thread Greg Lehey
On Tuesday, 27 March 2001 at 0:05:03 -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Greg Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010326 23:47] wrote: >> On Tuesday, 20 March 2001 at 11:11:44 -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: >>> [Lengthy email, bear with me please, it is quite interesting. >>> This box averages 30.0 load with

Re: Vinum stripe size (was: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server)

2001-03-27 Thread Brian Somers
> On Tuesday, 20 March 2001 at 11:11:44 -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > > [Lengthy email, bear with me please, it is quite interesting. > > This box averages 30.0 load with no problems.] > > > > > > > > Average file size is about 4K. /home/bbsusers* is on a vinum > > stripe'd volume with 3 Ultra1

Re: Vinum stripe size (was: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server)

2001-03-26 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Greg Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010326 23:47] wrote: > On Tuesday, 20 March 2001 at 11:11:44 -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > > [Lengthy email, bear with me please, it is quite interesting. > > This box averages 30.0 load with no problems.] > > > > > > > > Average file size is about 4K. /home/bb

Vinum stripe size (was: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server)

2001-03-26 Thread Greg Lehey
On Tuesday, 20 March 2001 at 11:11:44 -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > [Lengthy email, bear with me please, it is quite interesting. > This box averages 30.0 load with no problems.] > > > > Average file size is about 4K. /home/bbsusers* is on a vinum > stripe'd volume with 3 Ultra160 9G 1RPM d

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-26 Thread Greg Lehey
On Tuesday, 20 March 2001 at 11:04:16 -0800, Matt Dillon wrote: >>> SWAP is never touched. :) >>> >>> last pid: 23395; load averages: 2.08, 2.92, 3.60up 0+01:29:58 02:03:27 >>> 1529 processes:24 running, 1505 sleeping >>> CPU states: 40.5% user, 0.0% nice, 46.4% system, 1.1% interrupt,

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-24 Thread dannyman
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:50:51AM -0800, Matt Dillon wrote: > One thing that comes to mind is that you can smarthost your outgoing > email to another host so the queues don't build up. This should > greatly reduce mail load. In fact, I would recommend offloading email > entirely

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Paul Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010320 13:02] wrote: > On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Matt Dillon wrote: > > > :We have 'vmstat 5' available at http://zoo.ee.ntu.edu.tw/~keichii/ > > :Fresh hot vmstat 1 log at > > :http://zoo.ee.ntu.edu.tw/~keichii/vmstat_1.log > > > > I usually don't increase 'maxu

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Paul Herman
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Matt Dillon wrote: > :We have 'vmstat 5' available at http://zoo.ee.ntu.edu.tw/~keichii/ > :Fresh hot vmstat 1 log at > :http://zoo.ee.ntu.edu.tw/~keichii/vmstat_1.log > > I usually don't increase 'maxusers' above 256 myself, but > 512 should be fine. Everything else

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Matt Dillon
:> SWAP is never touched. :) :> :> last pid: 23395; load averages: 2.08, 2.92, 3.60up 0+01:29:58 02:03:27 :> 1529 processes:24 running, 1505 sleeping :> CPU states: 40.5% user, 0.0% nice, 46.4% system, 1.1% interrupt, 12.0% idle :> Mem: 705M Active, 1369M Inact, 332M Wired, 99M Cache,

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread David Scheidt
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Michael C . Wu wrote: : :SWAP is never touched. :) Your vmstat output shows page out activity. I can't tell if it's to swap or to file backed memory, but it's happening. You know this isn't happening when your box blows up? : :last pid: 23395; load averages: 2.08, 2.92

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Matt Dillon
:We have 'vmstat 5' available at http://zoo.ee.ntu.edu.tw/~keichii/ :Fresh hot vmstat 1 log at :http://zoo.ee.ntu.edu.tw/~keichii/vmstat_1.log : :-- :+---+ :| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Your vmstat output indi

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Michael C . Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010320 10:27] wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:50:51AM -0800, Matt Dillon scribbled: > > sysctl -a always crashes the system. It happens on other similiarly > loaded BBS'es in Taiwan. WHY ARE THERE NO TRACEBACKS BEING POSTED TO THE LISTS? THIS IS THE WH

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Michael C . Wu
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:50:51AM -0800, Matt Dillon scribbled: | One thing that comes to mind is that you can smarthost your outgoing | email to another host so the queues don't build up. This should | greatly reduce mail load. In fact, I would recommend offloading email | enti

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Ted Faber
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 12:03:14PM -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:48:37AM -0800, Ted Faber scribbled: > | Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but how much swap is there on > | this machine? Is the combination of the packed MFS and high process > | load exhausting y

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Michael C . Wu
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:48:37AM -0800, Ted Faber scribbled: | On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:38:18AM -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: | > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:27:17AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein scribbled: | > | * Michael C . Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010320 09:11] wrote: | > | > Physical memory is 2.5

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Matt Dillon
:md0/MFS is used for caching the articles that BBS users read. :They often read the same articles over and over again, :and we find that a 128MB MFS/md0 will have 70% hitrate : :When our MFS/md0 fills up after long usage, the box easily :dies. (We crontab clean the mfs, but sometimes the load :sh

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Matt Dillon
One thing that comes to mind is that you can smarthost your outgoing email to another host so the queues don't build up. This should greatly reduce mail load. In fact, I would recommend offloading email entirely if possible... email always hits disks hard. Definitely get rid

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Ted Faber
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:38:18AM -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:27:17AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein scribbled: > | * Michael C . Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010320 09:11] wrote: > | > Physical memory is 2.5 GB. We do MFS and it croaks/crashes > | > at midnight, our peak load

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Michael C . Wu
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:27:17AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein scribbled: | * Michael C . Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010320 09:11] wrote: | > [Lengthy email, bear with me please, it is quite interesting. | > This box averages 30.0 load with no problems.] | | cool.. | FreeBSD zoo.ee.ntu.edu.tw 4.2-STAB

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread David Scheidt
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Michael C . Wu wrote: : :This box is rather a FreeBSD advocacate itself, as you will see why. Indeed. : :It runs an self-wrote PERL SMTP daemon. (Sendmail and Postfix croaks) How do sendmail and postfix croak? How much mail are you transporting? If you really can't use

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Michael C . Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010320 09:11] wrote: > [Lengthy email, bear with me please, it is quite interesting. > This box averages 30.0 load with no problems.] cool.. > system stats at > http://zoo.ee.ntu.edu.tw/~keichii/ Where's the crashdump/traceback? > Physical memory is 2.5 G

Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Michael C . Wu
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:11:44AM -0600, Michael C . Wu scribbled: | system stats at | http://zoo.ee.ntu.edu.tw/~keichii/ | It runs an self-wrote PERL SMTP daemon. (Sendmail and Postfix croaks) | SMTPD pipes the mail to "bbsmail" that delivers the mail to | BBS users. SMTPd averages about $

tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded server

2001-03-20 Thread Michael C . Wu
[Lengthy email, bear with me please, it is quite interesting. This box averages 30.0 load with no problems.] system stats at http://zoo.ee.ntu.edu.tw/~keichii/ Hello Everyone, I have a friend who admins a very heavily loaded BBS server. (In Taiwan, BBS'es are still very popular, because they