Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-05-02 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Mon, 2006-May-01 18:01:01 -0400, Allen wrote: >Man I would LOVE to find a good sun box. Nothing huge, just a box I can use to >toy with Solaris and oldschool stuff like early SunOS. This won't be one box. Sun hardware and software has undergone a lot of churn over the years and you will need t

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-05-01 Thread Lucas Holt
Jamie Bowden wrote: SunOS 4.1.4 (aka Solaris 1.1.?(1 maybe? It's been a long time now.)) was the final release of SunOS 4. It was basically 4.1.3_U1 with a couple of other minor fixes merged in. I spent a very long time porting software from SunOS 4 to Solaris 2.3|4|5 during that time as we t

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-05-01 Thread Allen
On Monday 01 May 2006 2:43 pm, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 02:29:31PM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote.. > > > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wilko Bulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > > > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 01:23:40PM +, Maslan wrote.. > > > > > > > On 5/1/06, Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-05-01 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 02:29:31PM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote.. > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wilko Bulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 01:23:40PM +, Maslan wrote.. > > > On 5/1/06, Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-05-01 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wilko Bulte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 01:23:40PM +, Maslan wrote.. > > On 5/1/06, Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> If you watch Revolution OS, Linus points out that his main thing for

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-05-01 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 10:09:36AM -0400, Jamie Bowden wrote.. > On 5/1/06, Lucas Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >On May 1, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Maslan wrote: > >> > >> That's right, but sunos (earlier than solaris) was based on bsd. > >> www : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunos > > >Sun OS is

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-05-01 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 09:47:54AM -0400, Lucas Holt wrote.. > > On May 1, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Maslan wrote: > > > >That's right, but sunos (earlier than solaris) was based on bsd. > >www : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunos > > > > Sun OS is how I got into BSD. My first sparc had sunos 4.21 on it

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-05-01 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 01:23:40PM +, Maslan wrote.. > On 5/1/06, Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> If you watch Revolution OS, Linus points out that his main thing for > >> doing Linux was that he wanted something like he had used at the >

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-05-01 Thread Allen
On Monday 01 May 2006 9:47 am, Lucas Holt wrote: > On May 1, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Maslan wrote: > > That's right, but sunos (earlier than solaris) was based on bsd. > > www : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunos > > Sun OS is how I got into BSD. My first sparc had sunos 4.21 on it. > It was definitely

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-05-01 Thread Jamie Bowden
On 5/1/06, Lucas Holt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On May 1, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Maslan wrote: > > That's right, but sunos (earlier than solaris) was based on bsd. > www : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunos Sun OS is how I got into BSD. My first sparc had sunos 4.21 on it. It was definitely BSD.

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-05-01 Thread Lucas Holt
On May 1, 2006, at 9:23 AM, Maslan wrote: That's right, but sunos (earlier than solaris) was based on bsd. www : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunos Sun OS is how I got into BSD. My first sparc had sunos 4.21 on it. It was definitely BSD. It makes sense considering Bill Joy co- founded

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-05-01 Thread Maslan
On 5/1/06, Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you watch Revolution OS, Linus points out that his main thing for > doing Linux was that he wanted something like he had used at the > university he was at and he says it was SunOS. Sun OS / Solaris,

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-05-01 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you watch Revolution OS, Linus points out that his main thing for > doing Linux was that he wanted something like he had used at the > university he was at and he says it was SunOS. Sun OS / Solaris, are > straight BSD. Wrong. Solaris is SysV with some BSD b

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-04-30 Thread Frank Mayhar
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 00:09 +0300, Iantcho Vassilev wrote: > "incompetent idiots." quote > > What do you think about it? "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak, and remove all doubt." -- Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-04-30 Thread Allen
On Sunday 30 April 2006 5:15 pm, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 12:09:29AM +0300, Iantcho Vassilev wrote.. > > > Hello guys, > > > > > > in bsdnews.com i found this link http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 and > > particulary this: > > > > "I claim that Mach people (and apparently FreeBSD

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-04-30 Thread Scott Long
Iantcho Vassilev wrote: Hello guys, in bsdnews.com i found this link http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 and particulary this: "I claim that Mach people (and apparently FreeBSD) are incompetent idiots. Playing games with VM is bad. memory copies are _also_ bad, but quite frankly, memory copies oft

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-04-30 Thread Iantcho Vassilev
My first impression was as of Kip... But i think Linus attitude isn`t very perfect The big guy is showing muscles... On 5/1/06, Kip Macy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The implementation is > 7 years old, not used by default, and was intended for a specific application. There really isn't

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-04-30 Thread Kip Macy
The implementation is > 7 years old, not used by default, and was intended for a specific application. There really isn't much to say. -Kip On 4/30/06, Iantcho Vassilev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello guys, in bsdnews.com i found this link http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 and particulary t

Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-04-30 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 12:09:29AM +0300, Iantcho Vassilev wrote.. > Hello guys, > > > in bsdnews.com i found this link http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 and > particulary this: > > "I claim that Mach people (and apparently FreeBSD) are incompetent idiots. > Playing games with VM is bad. memory co

Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion

2006-04-30 Thread Iantcho Vassilev
Hello guys, in bsdnews.com i found this link http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 and particulary this: "I claim that Mach people (and apparently FreeBSD) are incompetent idiots. Playing games with VM is bad. memory copies are _also_ bad, but quite frankly, memory copies often have _less_ downside t