Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-11 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 11:33:49AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > I'm guessing that, even though you are not saying it, that the DTR > drop occurs *immediately* after the probe and attach, and not some > short time after the init scripts have fully rung, and the getty's > are s

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-11 Thread Terry Lambert
Leo Bicknell wrote: > The software is clearly lowering DTR on the console briefly between > the kernel probes and init running. That is the issue here. Yes, > it can be hacked around, breaking other things in the process. > I'd like to zero in on why the software is doing this and fix it > thoug

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-11 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 09:48:10AM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > Okay, on the terminal server side wire DSR, DTR, and CD together. This > should let you open the port at any time ragardless of the state of > the remote sio port. But this will break the 'type exit and the c

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-10 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:58:58PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > If you could describe *exactly* what behaviour you wanted and > *exactly* when you wanted it, someone could probably give you > a better approach to what you are trying to do thatn futzing > with the gettytab. O

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-10 Thread Terry Lambert
Leo Bicknell wrote: > > Or just wire CD to DTR on the offending device. > > For reference, I'm 96% sure the problem in this case is the termainal > server paying attention to DTR, I believe the way it's configured > now it ignores CD. Uh, DTR is the termial equivalent of a modem's DSR + DCD. Yo

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-10 Thread Terry Lambert
Leo Bicknell wrote: > So that leaves getty. I'm a bit confused here, but it appears getty > (for the console) looks like this: > > initialize to getty defaults > initialize to configured values (from gettytab) > log in user > > I believe the problem is occuring with the initalize to defaults.

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-10 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:49:56PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > No dammit, tell your stupid serial console device thingy to ignore > > carrier detection :P > > Or just wire CD to DTR on the offending device. For reference, I'm 96% sure the problem in this case is the t

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-10 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:16:07PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > Yes, that's what most of us do. :) ~. in tip/cu isn't but so bad, and > ^E c . in conserver is fairly quick. No no no. We need to improve the system! :) I did some digging. init does nothing with the terminal

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-10 Thread John Baldwin
On 11-Jan-02 Leo Bicknell wrote: > In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:08:48PM -0800, Alfred > Perlstein wrote: >> No dammit, tell your stupid serial console device thingy to ignore >> carrier detection :P > > But then when I log out I'll have to disconnect separately. :-) Yes, that

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-10 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:08:48PM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > No dammit, tell your stupid serial console device thingy to ignore > carrier detection :P But then when I log out I'll have to disconnect separately. :-) I want to have my cake and eat it too! -- Le

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-10 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Leo Bicknell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020110 16:07] wrote: > In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:23:22PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > > > Setting nohup means that when I log out it won't hangup though, > > > right? I like that behavior, what I don't like is the hangup on > > > the switch

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-10 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:23:22PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > > Setting nohup means that when I log out it won't hangup though, > > right? I like that behavior, what I don't like is the hangup on > > the switch from kernel mode to {single,multi}-user mode. > > You can't hav

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-10 Thread John Baldwin
On 10-Jan-02 Leo Bicknell wrote: > In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 12:47:44PM -0800, John Baldwin > wrote: >> > As as aside, I'm also thinking it might be useful to have a prompt >> > at that point (on serial console anyway) asking if you want to go >> > into single user mode, since

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-10 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 12:47:44PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > > As as aside, I'm also thinking it might be useful to have a prompt > > at that point (on serial console anyway) asking if you want to go > > into single user mode, since you don't get to select that earlier > >

RE: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-10 Thread John Baldwin
On 10-Jan-02 Leo Bicknell wrote: > > I have a few machines configured for serial consoles (my first), > and have found an oddity. > > Basically I did the "-P" boot.config thing, and the 'set > console=comconsole' in loader.rc. This works fine. I then run a > getty on the 'console' in ttys. W

Re: serial console + boot blip

2002-01-10 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Leo Bicknell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020110 12:26] wrote: > > I have a few machines configured for serial consoles (my first), > and have found an oddity. > > Basically I did the "-P" boot.config thing, and the 'set > console=comconsole' in loader.rc. This works fine. I then run a > getty on th