Re: Lizard...

1999-07-09 Thread Wilko Bulte
As John-Mark Gurney wrote ... > Adrian Filipi-Martin scribbled this message on Jul 4: > > On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Anthony Kimball wrote: > > > > > > > > Lizard has a tetris game built in for those long waits... > > > Now THAT is cool. > > > > Using the "holistic emergency shell" on vty4 when doi

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-09 Thread Wilko Bulte
As John-Mark Gurney wrote ... > Adrian Filipi-Martin scribbled this message on Jul 4: > > On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Anthony Kimball wrote: > > > > > > > > Lizard has a tetris game built in for those long waits... > > > Now THAT is cool. > > > > Using the "holistic emergency shell" on vty4 when do

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-08 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Adrian Filipi-Martin scribbled this message on Jul 4: > On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Anthony Kimball wrote: > > > > > Lizard has a tetris game built in for those long waits... > > Now THAT is cool. > > Using the "holistic emergency shell" on vty4 when doing a network > install is more fun. At the

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-08 Thread John-Mark Gurney
Adrian Filipi-Martin scribbled this message on Jul 4: > On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Anthony Kimball wrote: > > > > > Lizard has a tetris game built in for those long waits... > > Now THAT is cool. > > Using the "holistic emergency shell" on vty4 when doing a network > install is more fun. At the

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-04 Thread Adrian Filipi-Martin
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Anthony Kimball wrote: > > Lizard has a tetris game built in for those long waits... > Now THAT is cool. Using the "holistic emergency shell" on vty4 when doing a network install is more fun. At the very least it has been useful during evangelical installations.

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-04 Thread Adrian Filipi-Martin
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Anthony Kimball wrote: > > Lizard has a tetris game built in for those long waits... > Now THAT is cool. Using the "holistic emergency shell" on vty4 when doing a network install is more fun. At the very least it has been useful during evangelical installations.

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-03 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Brian F. Feldman" writes: : It's a better idea to not have people waiting for a long time. CDROMs and Disks are only so fast... And network downloads are not going to be as snappy as even a 2x cdrom anytime soon... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PR

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-03 Thread Warner Losh
In message "Brian F. Feldman" writes: : It's a better idea to not have people waiting for a long time. CDROMs and Disks are only so fast... And network downloads are not going to be as snappy as even a 2x cdrom anytime soon... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "u

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-02 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Anthony Kimball wrote: > > Lizard has a tetris game built in for those long waits... > Now THAT is cool. > It's a better idea to not have people waiting for a long time. Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ __

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-02 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Anthony Kimball wrote: > > Lizard has a tetris game built in for those long waits... > Now THAT is cool. > It's a better idea to not have people waiting for a long time. Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ ___ gr...@freebsd.org _ __ _

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-02 Thread Anthony Kimball
Lizard has a tetris game built in for those long waits... Now THAT is cool. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-02 Thread Anthony Kimball
Lizard has a tetris game built in for those long waits... Now THAT is cool. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Wilko Bulte
As Mike Smith wrote ... > > > > Everyone should take a peak at http://www.troll.no/announce/lizard.html > > if you haven't already. Definately take a look at the screenshots. > > > > Lizard is a fully graphical Linux installation for Caldera Systems > > Open Linux. IMO, having an easy, reliable

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Wilko Bulte
As Mike Smith wrote ... > > > > Everyone should take a peak at http://www.troll.no/announce/lizard.html > > if you haven't already. Definately take a look at the screenshots. > > > > Lizard is a fully graphical Linux installation for Caldera Systems > > Open Linux. IMO, having an easy, reliable a

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Alex Zepeda
> Feel free, just don't ask me questions about it since I honestly don't > have time right now to explain to many hundreds of people how to build > this stuff. In a nutshell, use egcs to compile everything from the > following list: turbovision 0.7, qt 1.42, libh 0.1 (see below). > > libh is th

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Josef Grosch wrote: > I have done installs on FreeBSD, Redhat, HP/UX, and Solaris and I have to > say that Redhat is very confusing. FreeBSD does have it's warts but it is > better than Redhat. HP/UX and Solaris also have their problems, just ask > Nicole Harrington how she li

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Alex Zepeda
> Feel free, just don't ask me questions about it since I honestly don't > have time right now to explain to many hundreds of people how to build > this stuff. In a nutshell, use egcs to compile everything from the > following list: turbovision 0.7, qt 1.42, libh 0.1 (see below). > > libh is the

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Josef Grosch wrote: > I have done installs on FreeBSD, Redhat, HP/UX, and Solaris and I have to > say that Redhat is very confusing. FreeBSD does have it's warts but it is > better than Redhat. HP/UX and Solaris also have their problems, just ask > Nicole Harrington how she lik

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Josef Grosch
On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 03:18:00PM -0700, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote: > On Thu, 01 Jul 1999, Matthew Jacob was heard blurting out: > > > > > > That being said... I've heard some of my ex-coworkers (who were all > > > FreeBSD people when they worked here) come up to me in this impressed >

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Josef Grosch
On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 03:18:00PM -0700, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote: > On Thu, 01 Jul 1999, Matthew Jacob was heard blurting out: > > > > > > That being said... I've heard some of my ex-coworkers (who were all > > > FreeBSD people when they worked here) come up to me in this impressed > >

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> Would it be possible to have this code put up for www/ftp or > something, so that anyone who is interested could have a look? Feel free, just don't ask me questions about it since I honestly don't have time right now to explain to many hundreds of people how to build this stuff. In a nutshell,

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> Would it be possible to have this code put up for www/ftp or > something, so that anyone who is interested could have a look? Feel free, just don't ask me questions about it since I honestly don't have time right now to explain to many hundreds of people how to build this stuff. In a nutshell,

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Thomas David Rivers
> > > That being said... I've heard some of my ex-coworkers (who were all > > FreeBSD people when they worked here) come up to me in this impressed > > tone: "You wouldn't believe how much easier it is to install RedHat!'. > > *sigh* I'm not bitching... just being loyal :) > > That's ridiculous.

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Thomas David Rivers
> > > That being said... I've heard some of my ex-coworkers (who were all > > FreeBSD people when they worked here) come up to me in this impressed > > tone: "You wouldn't believe how much easier it is to install RedHat!'. > > *sigh* I'm not bitching... just being loyal :) > > That's ridiculous.

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson
On Thu, 01 Jul 1999, Matthew Jacob was heard blurting out: > > > That being said... I've heard some of my ex-coworkers (who were all > > FreeBSD people when they worked here) come up to me in this impressed > > tone: "You wouldn't believe how much easier it is to install RedHat!'. > > *sigh* I'm

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson
On Thu, 01 Jul 1999, Matthew Jacob was heard blurting out: > > > That being said... I've heard some of my ex-coworkers (who were all > > FreeBSD people when they worked here) come up to me in this impressed > > tone: "You wouldn't believe how much easier it is to install RedHat!'. > > *sigh* I'm

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
> That being said... I've heard some of my ex-coworkers (who were all > FreeBSD people when they worked here) come up to me in this impressed > tone: "You wouldn't believe how much easier it is to install RedHat!'. > *sigh* I'm not bitching... just being loyal :) That's ridiculous. I've used bot

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
> That being said... I've heard some of my ex-coworkers (who were all > FreeBSD people when they worked here) come up to me in this impressed > tone: "You wouldn't believe how much easier it is to install RedHat!'. > *sigh* I'm not bitching... just being loyal :) That's ridiculous. I've used both

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Steve Ames
> > Everyone should take a peak at http://www.troll.no/announce/lizard.html > > if you haven't already. Definately take a look at the screenshots. > > > > Lizard is a fully graphical Linux installation for Caldera Systems > > Open Linux. IMO, having an easy, reliable and attractive installer > >

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Steve Ames
> > Everyone should take a peak at http://www.troll.no/announce/lizard.html > > if you haven't already. Definately take a look at the screenshots. > > > > Lizard is a fully graphical Linux installation for Caldera Systems > > Open Linux. IMO, having an easy, reliable and attractive installer > > i

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Mike Smith
> > Everyone should take a peak at http://www.troll.no/announce/lizard.html > if you haven't already. Definately take a look at the screenshots. > > Lizard is a fully graphical Linux installation for Caldera Systems > Open Linux. IMO, having an easy, reliable and attractive installer > is an exc

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Mike Smith
> > Everyone should take a peak at http://www.troll.no/announce/lizard.html > if you haven't already. Definately take a look at the screenshots. > > Lizard is a fully graphical Linux installation for Caldera Systems > Open Linux. IMO, having an easy, reliable and attractive installer > is an exce

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Nathan Ahlstrom
> My bad, as the current generation says, and it's a major item on my > TODO list to spend about 2 days pouring through his code and > generating a comprehensive set of comments about where to go from > there. Unfortunately, this code is also in the very early stages and > represents about 34,00

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Nathan Ahlstrom
> My bad, as the current generation says, and it's a major item on my > TODO list to spend about 2 days pouring through his code and > generating a comprehensive set of comments about where to go from > there. Unfortunately, this code is also in the very early stages and > represents about 34,000

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
> > What actual marketing information do we actually have that says that in > > order to go after the desktops we aren't currently installed on we have to > > add a lot of engineering effort to the installer? Would it be better to > > Well, just to clear up what looks like a misunderstanding in

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
> > What actual marketing information do we actually have that says that in > > order to go after the desktops we aren't currently installed on we have to > > add a lot of engineering effort to the installer? Would it be better to > > Well, just to clear up what looks like a misunderstanding in t

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> What actual marketing information do we actually have that says that in > order to go after the desktops we aren't currently installed on we have to > add a lot of engineering effort to the installer? Would it be better to Well, just to clear up what looks like a misunderstanding in the making,

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> What actual marketing information do we actually have that says that in > order to go after the desktops we aren't currently installed on we have to > add a lot of engineering effort to the installer? Would it be better to Well, just to clear up what looks like a misunderstanding in the making,

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
>OK, I'll add a few comments to this. And I'll respond... The actual pros and cons of the current installer and what a new one would look like is not the real question to answer here,... I have to say that what we have isn't that bad- it fails only in some areas where it violates the principle

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
>OK, I'll add a few comments to this. And I'll respond... The actual pros and cons of the current installer and what a new one would look like is not the real question to answer here,... I have to say that what we have isn't that bad- it fails only in some areas where it violates the principle o

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> through so-called "spiffy" installs is growing exponentially. Keeping a > simple interface rather than trying to play human engineering with no > real human interfaces lab and a 500K$ testing budget might be better. > Just my 2 cents... I'll shut up now... (I mean, why should *I* beef so > much?

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
> through so-called "spiffy" installs is growing exponentially. Keeping a > simple interface rather than trying to play human engineering with no > real human interfaces lab and a 500K$ testing budget might be better. > Just my 2 cents... I'll shut up now... (I mean, why should *I* beef so > much?

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
> if it gave me lots more diagnostics. Joe Average, on the other hand, > likes a spiffy, clean interface. We try to accomodate both types by > having a simplistic install and then some detail output on a seperate > VTY. This could still be done with an even spiffier graphical installation > on th

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
> if it gave me lots more diagnostics. Joe Average, on the other hand, > likes a spiffy, clean interface. We try to accomodate both types by > having a simplistic install and then some detail output on a seperate > VTY. This could still be done with an even spiffier graphical installation > on the

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Steve Ames
True... But such a configuration doesn't preclude the use of a more detailed listing on vty1 the way we do it now. With our current installation setup its similar to this already. Its text based and some of the menus are not exactly intuitive (No... I don't have a better suggestion just yet). If

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Steve Ames
True... But such a configuration doesn't preclude the use of a more detailed listing on vty1 the way we do it now. With our current installation setup its similar to this already. Its text based and some of the menus are not exactly intuitive (No... I don't have a better suggestion just yet). If s

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
Reminds me of SCO. I personally don't much like it- it makes it harder than hell to figure out what's gone wrong when it doesn't work. On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Steve Ames wrote: > > Everyone should take a peak at http://www.troll.no/announce/lizard.html > if you haven't already. Definately take a l

Re: Lizard...

1999-07-01 Thread Matthew Jacob
Reminds me of SCO. I personally don't much like it- it makes it harder than hell to figure out what's gone wrong when it doesn't work. On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Steve Ames wrote: > > Everyone should take a peak at http://www.troll.no/announce/lizard.html > if you haven't already. Definately take a lo