Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-08-14 Thread Wes Peters
Julian Stacey wrote: > > Ollivier Robert wrote: > > According to Julian Stacey: > > > 4.1-release produces no /sbin/mount_cfs, & man mount give no hint, > > > If you have patches to test, I volunteer to test on 4.1 or 3.4 :-) > > It is a port. I'd love to import it into CURRENT though. > > Some

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-08-14 Thread Julian Stacey
Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Julian Stacey: > > 4.1-release produces no /sbin/mount_cfs, & man mount give no hint, > > If you have patches to test, I volunteer to test on 4.1 or 3.4 :-) > It is a port. I'd love to import it into CURRENT though. Some friends running vile Micro$oft asked m

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-08-07 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Julian Stacey: > 4.1-release produces no /sbin/mount_cfs, & man mount give no hint, > If you have patches to test, I volunteer to test on 4.1 or 3.4 :-) It is a port. I'd love to import it into CURRENT though. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-08-07 Thread Julian Stacey
Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Julian Stacey: > > just as today I'd use an encrypting file system on my new laptop, > > but such file system don't exist on FreeBSD unfortunately. > > Ahem. Why did I sent an update for security/cfs to green a few months ago? :-) 4.1-release produces no /sb

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-27 Thread Ollivier Robert
According to Julian Stacey: > just as today I'd use an encrypting file system on my new laptop, > but such file system don't exist on FreeBSD unfortunately. Ahem. Why did I sent an update for security/cfs to green a few months ago? :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- [EMA

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-27 Thread Julian Stacey
"Andrew Reilly" wrote: > Well, even if there are/were folk who want tiny disk footprints, > and crunching everything isn't going to do the whole job, wouldn't > a compressed filesystem be a better way to approach this? At least > that way you'd still be able to page from the executable(s), and >

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-27 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Julian Stacey wrote: > That laptop has now gone to 4.0, & aout to elf, & a 1.5G disc, so no > incentive to do it all again to see how much FreeBSD-4 gzipped aout > binary tree might save/waste on a whole tree. BTW I was `strip'ing gzexe(1) is your friend :-) Kris -- In Go

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-26 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Wed, Jul 26, 2000 at 02:00:46PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote: > > No, that's the one case where they help. But people aren't trying to > > squeeze whole systems into small disks anymore; > > Really? News to me... Well, even if there are/were folk who want tiny disk footprints, and crunching

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-26 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Smith writes: : Typically, the loss of the ability to demand-page from a gzipped : executable is a worse detracting factor than the space saving makes up : for. This is one reason that Timing Solutions runs all of its small systems out of uncompressed flash o

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-26 Thread Nate Williams
> > Mike Smith wrote: > > > gzipped binaries are actually a terrible idea; they actually *waste* > > > space in most cases. > > > > Suprising, They saved space for a 200M disc in a 486 laptop with 3.[2,3,or4], > > No, that's the one case where they help. But people aren't trying to > squeeze

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-26 Thread Mike Smith
> > From: Mike Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Mike Smith wrote: > > gzipped binaries are actually a terrible idea; they actually *waste* > > space in most cases. > > Suprising, They saved space for a 200M disc in a 486 laptop with 3.[2,3,or4], No, that's the one case where they hel

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-26 Thread Julian Stacey
> From: Mike Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Smith wrote: > gzipped binaries are actually a terrible idea; they actually *waste* > space in most cases. Suprising, They saved space for a 200M disc in a 486 laptop with 3.[2,3,or4], it was so tight for space I gzipped everything, (entire o

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-25 Thread Mike Smith
> > From: John Polstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > No, there isn't. I don't plan to do anything more with the a.out > > dynamic linker, as I consider it obsolete at this point. I'd > > BTW (last I looked) support of gzipped execs was only available for aout, not > for elf, ... one more residual use

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-25 Thread Julian Stacey
> From: John Polstra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > No, there isn't. I don't plan to do anything more with the a.out > dynamic linker, as I consider it obsolete at this point. I'd BTW (last I looked) support of gzipped execs was only available for aout, not for elf, ... one more residual use for aout, (

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-25 Thread Nate Williams
> Besides, have you even established that dynamically linked programs > load too slowly? I've certainly never heard any complaints along > those lines. Furthermore I would bet that the bulk of the dynamic > linking time comes from opening the shared libraries and mmapping > them, and there's not

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-25 Thread John Polstra
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alex Zepeda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, John Polstra wrote: > > > FreeBSD ELF: It's required by the ELF specification. > > > > FreeBSD a.out: Backward compatibility. > > > > Linux ELF: Because it's part of Linux and that's just

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-24 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, John Polstra wrote: > Glad you liked the idea! :-) Well imagine if Joe user gets a Linux binary or a.out binary to run. Bam, it doesn't run, and one'd have to check each file, and unset the variables. Or forgo any user-feedback. :( > Well, there is a different reason fo

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-24 Thread John Polstra
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alex Zepeda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Uck. Glad you liked the idea! :-) > I'm curious, why do a.out/FreeBSD-elf/Linux-elf programs all respond to > the same variables? Sure it's perhaps a consistant interface, but > wouldn't somthing like LINUX_LD_LIBRARY_

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-24 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, John Polstra wrote: > No, there isn't. I don't plan to do anything more with the a.out > dynamic linker, as I consider it obsolete at this point. I'd > suggest making a script "run_aout" that looks something like this > (untested): Uck. > BTW, it's generally not a good id

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-24 Thread Will Andrews
On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 03:25:07AM -0700, Alex Zepeda wrote: > you're like me and still somewhat attached to the idea of using Navigator > which is an a.out binary (perhaps the only one I still have left), you're Use the BSDI Netscape ports, which are ELF and don't require any emulation. They ar

Re: ELF rtld and environment variables...

2000-07-24 Thread John Polstra
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alex Zepeda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH] > This works great if you're using your average ELF binary. However, if > you're like me and still somewhat attached to the idea of using Navigator > which is an a.out binary (perhaps the onl