Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-03-03 Thread Dries Schellekens
ALeine wrote: Algebraic attacks on AES show that AES may indeed be broken sooner than we would hope, at least according to the information at: http://www.cryptosystem.net/aes/ Please stop referring to this website. Sorry, but everybody in the field of cryptology, except Nicolas Courtois, agree tha

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-03-02 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "ALeine" writes: > >I find using a single key for the whole disk less secure and not >very practical when one wants to change the key because it takes >a very long time to re-encrypt the entire disk. However, having >a separate per-sector key which is changed on eve

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-03-01 Thread Roland Dowdeswell
On 1109715311 seconds since the Beginning of the UNIX epoch "Steven M. Bellovin" wrote: > >It's worth noting that there is a very real threat not addressed here: >detecting unauthorized changes to an encrypted disk. For a very >elegant solution, see http://www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/ndss/05/

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-03-01 Thread Roland Dowdeswell
On 1109641515 seconds since the Beginning of the UNIX epoch "ALeine" wrote: > >> And, GBDE is obviously already less secure than a simpler >> approach such as CGD with AES-256 (which is around twice as fast). > >I believe it is not less secure because eventhough it might require >less steps to bru

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-03-01 Thread ALeine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I confess that I still don't see the threat model here. What > sort of cryptanalytic breakthrough would make this a requirement? > I will state categorically that I know of no threat to AES that > would be addressed by this, but wouldn't require replacing AES entirel

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-03-01 Thread ALeine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You would need to maintain some sort of journal. With CGD, I > specifically avoided any strategy which tied the write of one > sector to the write of another sector for this reason. And so, > I use one key to encrypt the disk rather than storing randomly > generated k

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-03-01 Thread Roland Dowdeswell
On 1109628121 seconds since the Beginning of the UNIX epoch "ALeine" wrote: > >Yes, the data sector is written first and then the key sector. >Since, as you pointed out, GBDE is more susceptible to dictionary >attacks than CGD one can then use this advantage (it's a feature, >not a design flaw!) t

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-03-01 Thread ALeine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This does not work. The problem is that in GBDE for sector n > which is written, there are two operations: > > 1. change the key by which sector n is encrypted, and > 2. write sector n ecnrypted with the new key. > > If one of these fails, how could

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-28 Thread Roland Dowdeswell
On 1109635700 seconds since the Beginning of the UNIX epoch Thomas Sparrevohn wrote: > >I could be wrong but I would assume that if it is correctly handled within >softupdates there should be no need for journalling - e.g. If both >transactions are not completed the writes are ignored This does

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-28 Thread Thomas Sparrevohn
On Monday 28 February 2005 00:15, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > Roland Dowdeswell wrote: > > [ cc'ing [EMAIL PROTECTED], because there has been talk > > of GBDE there in the past.] > > So what? If the write fails in the middle, reading sector will just > produce garbage. I don't think that it's differen

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-28 Thread Roland Dowdeswell
On 1109549715 seconds since the Beginning of the UNIX epoch Maxim Sobolev wrote: > >Well, I think that this is quite minor item, since GBDE doesn't govern >transformation of the passphrase into the actual key, so that another >scheme more bullet-prof against dictionary attacks (PKCS#5 or any oth

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-27 Thread Maxim Sobolev
Roland Dowdeswell wrote: [ cc'ing [EMAIL PROTECTED], because there has been talk of GBDE there in the past.] Well, I thought that since I saw this: ALeine wrote a while ago: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't be easier porting cgd* from NetBSD ? * http://www.netbsd.org/guide/en/chap-cgd.html Perha

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-27 Thread ALeine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [ cc'ing [EMAIL PROTECTED], because there has been talk > of GBDE there in the past.] > > Well, I thought that since I saw this: > > ALeine wrote a while ago: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> Wouldn't be easier porting cgd* from NetBSD ? > >> > >> * http://www

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-16 Thread ALeine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What about porting NetBSD's cgd(4) [1] driver ? It *might* be > easier to port since it does not require GEOM. Thanks for the suggestion, but IMHO GBDE is superior to CGD, as I have already explained in detail a couple of weeks ago: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/maila

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-16 Thread Jeremie Le Hen
> The problem with NCryptFS is that so far no code has been released and > since it looks like it might get released a day after Duke Nuke 'em > Forever I thought I would see what I can do about backporting GDBE > to the 4.x branch. :-/ What about porting NetBSD's cgd(4) [1] driver ? It *might* b

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-07 Thread ALeine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The subject of doxygen has come up a few times, and people haven't been > too keen on it: > > http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2003-10/msg00197.html > http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2003-10/msg00199.html > > I'm assuming you'd have to ha

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-06 Thread ALeine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What you may want to do is create a character device driver that > resembles the md(4)/vn(4) mechanism: it consumes another file or > device, forwards I/O from its own device node to the underlying > device after performing the transformation. If possible, you'd > want

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-05 Thread ALeine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This may not be exactly what you are looking for, but I think it > may be important to look at it at least : > > http://www.filesystems.org/ > > The project is named FiST and it uses stackable layers so you > can, for example, encrypt file content. Thanks, I'

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-05 Thread ALeine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I guess the interesting question is why to do this? Thank you for your very thorough and insightful reply. :-) I've already discussed my reasons in detail with Matt Dillon, you can read our exchange at: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2005-02/index.htm

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-04 Thread Jeremie Le Hen
> > Basically, it seems like I should save myself a lot of trouble and just > > deGEOMify GBDE so it can be integrated into FreeBSD 4.x and DragonFly > > BSD. I can live without GEOM GATE, but GBDE (or dGDE as it will probably > > be called once I'm done botching it :->) is something I really reall

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-04 Thread Julian Elischer
Geom requires DEVFS and requires that you DON'T have a static /dev. ALeine wrote: I would hereby like to politely request your comments on backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch. I personally would like to see GEOM backported to the 4.x branch and I would appreciate it if all the developers (especially

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-04 Thread Robert Watson
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, ALeine wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I guess the interesting question is why to do this? <...> > Basically, it seems like I should save myself a lot of trouble and just > deGEOMify GBDE so it can be integrated into FreeBSD 4.x and DragonFly > BSD. I can live witho

Re: RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-04 Thread Robert Watson
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005, ALeine wrote: > I would hereby like to politely request your comments on backporting > GEOM to the 4.x branch. I personally would like to see GEOM backported > to the 4.x branch and I would appreciate it if all the developers > (especially Mr. Poul-Henning Kamp) who are famili

RFC: backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch

2005-02-04 Thread ALeine
I would hereby like to politely request your comments on backporting GEOM to the 4.x branch. I personally would like to see GEOM backported to the 4.x branch and I would appreciate it if all the developers (especially Mr. Poul-Henning Kamp) who are familiar with the inner workings of GEOM could co