Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-06-19 Thread Warren Block
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Sunday, June 17, 2012 a las 09:16:12PM -0600, Warren Block escribió: On Sat, 16 Jun 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: OK, but I wanted to have most of the space of the 4 GB SSD encrypted with geli(8); so I should make there some slice containing /b

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-06-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
future disk layout. /dev/ada0p1freebsd-boot /dev/ada0p2freebsd-ufs /boot 256 Mbyte /dev/ada0p3freebsd-ufs /private 3.5 GByte (geli encrypted) over 200 MB wasted for /boot. what do you want to but there? except this it is all right. /dev/ada1p1freebsd-boot /dev/ada1p2

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-06-19 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Sunday, June 17, 2012 a las 09:16:12PM -0600, Warren Block escribió: > On Sat, 16 Jun 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > OK, but I wanted to have most of the space of the 4 GB SSD encrypted > > with geli(8); so I should make there some slice containing /boot > > (unencrypted) and a second s

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-06-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar
OK, but I wanted to have most of the space of the 4 GB SSD encrypted with geli(8); so I should make there some slice containing /boot (unencrypted) and a second slice which later will contain my HOME and encrypted; wrong? right. but do not forget bootloader requires things to be in /boot directo

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-06-17 Thread Warren Block
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: OK, but I wanted to have most of the space of the 4 GB SSD encrypted with geli(8); so I should make there some slice containing /boot (unencrypted) and a second slice which later will contain my HOME and encrypted; wrong? That's correct: http://forums

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-06-16 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 16, 2012 8:26 PM, wrote: > > > > And PLEASE DO NOT make this stupid MSDOS style slices. It is not just > > > unneeded but introduces mess and only mess. > > > > > > just have /dev/ad0a not /dev/ad0s1a > > > What FreeBSD devs have to say about this? > ;) I say we have GPT this decade :) Ch

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-06-16 Thread rank1seeker
> > And PLEASE DO NOT make this stupid MSDOS style slices. It is not just > > unneeded but introduces mess and only mess. > > > > just have /dev/ad0a not /dev/ad0s1a What FreeBSD devs have to say about this? ;) > OK, but I wanted to have most of the space of the 4 GB SSD encrypted > with geli

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-06-16 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, May 30, 2012 a las 07:44:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar escribió: > > from; one has to go (by pressing ESC) to the boot menu to pick it up as > > current boot device; any idea how this could be changed? > > boot from 4GB. just put /boot here and add > > vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:XXX

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-30 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Concerning your hint installing the systen on the second SSD of around 16 GByte (marketing GBytes :-)), the BIOS by itself is unable to boot right. 16 billion bytes. A simple marketing trick to cheat you for 7.6% I think, it's only 7.3% $ bc (16*1024*1024*1024-160)/160*100 7.3

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-30 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, May 30, 2012 a las 07:44:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar escribió: > > Concerning your hint installing the systen on the second SSD of around > > 16 GByte (marketing GBytes :-)), the BIOS by itself is unable to boot > right. 16 billion bytes. > > A simple marketing trick to cheat yo

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-30 Thread Wojciech Puchar
... # geli attach /dev/md1 Enter passphrase: # dd if=/dev/md1.eli of=/dev/null bs=128k count=4k 536868864 bytes transferred in 35.093015 secs (15298454 bytes/sec) # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/md1.eli bs=128k count=4k 536868864 bytes transferred in 38.044995 secs (14111419 bytes/sec) # geli detach /de

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-27 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Saturday, May 26, 2012 a las 04:01:54PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar escribió: > >> Why? Your laptop have most probably slow CPU and it will make everything > >> too slow if you make everything encrypted. > > > > I'd suggest some experiments - create a largish RAMdisk with and without > > GELI an

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 May 2012 16:04, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> use tmpfs and don't fear to add /var/tmp to it. >> >> >> I would fear to add /var/tmp-- /var/tmp should persist across reboots. >> >> Chris >> >> > as i noted - check your case.in my case it is not a problem. it your it may. > > Never blindly fo

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-26 Thread Wojciech Puchar
use tmpfs and don't fear to add /var/tmp to it. I would fear to add /var/tmp-- /var/tmp should persist across reboots. Chris as i noted - check your case.in my case it is not a problem. it your it may. Never blindly follow "rules", "good practices" etc.. _

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-26 Thread Chris Rees
On 26 May 2012 15:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> Why? Your laptop have most probably slow CPU and it will make everything >>> too slow if you make everything encrypted. >> >> >> I'd suggest some experiments - create a largish RAMdisk with and without >> GELI and see how the performance compares (t

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-26 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Why? Your laptop have most probably slow CPU and it will make everything too slow if you make everything encrypted. I'd suggest some experiments - create a largish RAMdisk with and without GELI and see how the performance compares (this will be a lot faster than converting your SSD as well as sa

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-25 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2012-May-25 22:46:10 +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Should I split /dev/ada1 into two separate partitions, one for real >> /usr/local and one for my HOME and only crypt this with geli(8)? > >i would make / on 16GB SSD (including /usr, /usr/local, don't divide >to partitions) and geli encryp

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-25 Thread Warren Block
On Fri, 25 May 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: Talking about another question, related to file systems on SSD: My netbook with the two SSD has file systems mounted as: $ df -kh Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ada0s1a3.7G567M3.1G15%/ /dev/ada1s1a

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-25 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Talking about another question, related to file systems on SSD: My netbook with the two SSD has file systems mounted as: $ df -kh Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ada0s1a3.7G567M3.1G15%/ /dev/ada1s1a 14G8.7G5.9G60%/usr/local /

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-25 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Saturday, May 19, 2012 a las 08:09:01PM +0200, Matthias Apitz escribió: > My EeePC netbook shows for the two SSD: > > $ uname -a > FreeBSD tiny 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #1 r226986: Tue Nov 1 > 14:27:40 CET 2011 guru@caracas:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > $ gpart show >

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-25 Thread Wojciech Puchar
mine do. The disk also has be be connected to a disk arch which supports BIO_DELETE which ATM is only ata unless your running HEAD which also has support in da FreeBSD 9 support it and it do works. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://l

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-25 Thread Steven Hartland
- Original Message - From: "Wojciech Puchar" On 2012-May-18 22:54:43 +0200, Dimitry Andric wrote: Be sure to use "-t enable" when creating the filesystem: Only if your SSD supports TRIM. Some consumer-grade SSDs don't and get very confused if sent TRIM commands. mine do. The

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-25 Thread Wojciech Puchar
On 2012-May-18 22:54:43 +0200, Dimitry Andric wrote: Be sure to use "-t enable" when creating the filesystem: Only if your SSD supports TRIM. Some consumer-grade SSDs don't and get very confused if sent TRIM commands. mine do. ___ freebsd-hackers@

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-25 Thread Julian Elischer
On 5/24/12 5:35 AM, Warren Block wrote: On Wed, 23 May 2012, Tim Kientzle wrote: On May 22, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Warren Block wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Tuesday, May 22, 2012 a las 07:42:18AM -0600, Warren Block escribió: On Tue, 22 May 2012, Matthias Apitz wro

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-24 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2012-May-18 22:54:43 +0200, Dimitry Andric wrote: >Be sure to use "-t enable" when creating the filesystem: Only if your SSD supports TRIM. Some consumer-grade SSDs don't and get very confused if sent TRIM commands. -- Peter Jeremy pgp2LuXn5iRWb.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-24 Thread Warren Block
On Wed, 23 May 2012, Tim Kientzle wrote: On May 22, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Warren Block wrote: On Tue, 22 May 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Tuesday, May 22, 2012 a las 07:42:18AM -0600, Warren Block escribió: On Tue, 22 May 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Sunday, May 20, 2012 a las 03

RE: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-24 Thread Andrew Duane
> -Original Message- > From: owner-freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Tim Kientzle > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:49 AM > To: Warren Block > Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Matthias Apitz > Subject: Re: proper

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-23 Thread Tim Kientzle
On May 22, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 22 May 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> El día Tuesday, May 22, 2012 a las 07:42:18AM -0600, Warren Block escribió: >> >>> On Tue, 22 May 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: >>> El día Sunday, May 20, 2012 a las 03:36:01AM +0900, rozhuk..

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-22 Thread User Wojtek
What is wrong with this procedure? The filesystem partitions end up at locations that aren't even multiples of 4K. This can reduce performance. How much probably depends on the SSD. well in my case it is a multiply of any number you like [root@wojtek ~]# bsdlabel ada0 # /dev/ada0: 8 partiti

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-22 Thread Warren Block
On Tue, 22 May 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Tuesday, May 22, 2012 a las 07:42:18AM -0600, Warren Block escribió: On Tue, 22 May 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Sunday, May 20, 2012 a las 03:36:01AM +0900, rozhuk...@gmail.com escribió: Do not use MBR (or manually do all to align).

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-22 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, May 22, 2012 a las 07:42:18AM -0600, Warren Block escribió: > On Tue, 22 May 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > > El día Sunday, May 20, 2012 a las 03:36:01AM +0900, rozhuk...@gmail.com > > escribió: > >> > >> Do not use MBR (or manually do all to align). > >> 63 - not 4k aligned. >

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-22 Thread Warren Block
On Tue, 22 May 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Sunday, May 20, 2012 a las 03:36:01AM +0900, rozhuk...@gmail.com escribió: Do not use MBR (or manually do all to align). 63 - not 4k aligned. To create the above shown partition layout I have not used gpart(8); I just said: # fdisk -I /d

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-21 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Sunday, May 20, 2012 a las 03:36:01AM +0900, rozhuk...@gmail.com escribió: > > My EeePC netbook shows for the two SSD: > > > > $ uname -a > > FreeBSD tiny 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #1 r226986: Tue Nov 1 > > 14:27:40 CET 2011 guru@caracas:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > >

RE: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-19 Thread rozhuk . im
> My EeePC netbook shows for the two SSD: > > $ uname -a > FreeBSD tiny 10.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #1 r226986: Tue Nov 1 > 14:27:40 CET 2011 guru@caracas:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 > $ gpart show > => 63 7880481 ada0 MBR (3.8G) >63 7880481 1 freebsd [acti

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-19 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Sunday, May 20, 2012 a las 03:00:46AM +0900, rozhuk...@gmail.com escribió: > Partition must be aligned to: > > # gpart show > => 34 62533229 ada0 GPT (29G) > 34 6- free - (3.0k) - for align > 40 512 1 freebsd-boot (256k) - size 4k alig

RE: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-19 Thread rozhuk . im
Partition must be aligned to: # gpart show => 34 62533229 ada0 GPT (29G) 34 6- free - (3.0k) - for align 40 512 1 freebsd-boot (256k) - size 4k aligned 552 62532648 2 freebsd-ufs (29G) - size 4k aligned 6253320063

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-19 Thread Warren Block
On Sat, 19 May 2012, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Saturday, May 19, 2012 a las 10:40:32AM +0200, User Wojtek escribió: You may be able to find the exact erase block size in the technical documentation of your specific SSD. But the manufacturers don't always tell. :) ... Hi, Some weeks ago

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-19 Thread User Wojtek
what is really bad in SSD is that they are not flash chips interfaced to computer (so flash-designed filesystem could be written) but complex hard drive emulators. But this way they could sell this to windows users. https://lwn.net/Articles/428584/ seems like i have it right. i use noatime AL

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-19 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Saturday, May 19, 2012 a las 10:40:32AM +0200, User Wojtek escribió: > > You may be able to find the exact erase block size in the technical > > documentation of your specific SSD. But the manufacturers don't always > > tell. :) > > ... Hi, Some weeks ago in the context of Openmoko (my L

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-19 Thread User Wojtek
You may be able to find the exact erase block size in the technical documentation of your specific SSD. But the manufacturers don't always tell. :) b) small fragments (like 1KB) to reduce space usage, as there is no seeking so it will not slow down but save space on relatively small SSD I do

Re: proper newfs options for SSD disk

2012-05-18 Thread Dimitry Andric
On 2012-05-18 22:11, User Wojtek wrote: > what are proper settings > > a) 4kB fragments so everything is 4k aligned? SSD drives itself reports > as 512 byte blocks, but it is recomenned constantly on many places about > 4K alignment for SSD. That 4k alignment is most likely meant for so-called